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Author Topic: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.  (Read 101491 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2014, 06:34:41 PM »
@MarkE,


             Maybe you should go back and re-read the comment. The "Old Scientist" reports that the external capacitor does not have a major influence
on the "Series Bifilar Coil" as you infer! There's an additive formula for the twin capacitors in the Colpitt oscillating circuit that won't work on the bifilar tank as you imply. You're making a mistake!
No, you are once again doing your misrepresenting thing. MarkE is correct in his explanations. If you want to know the real story of lumped vs distributed capacitance in TBF windings you really need to read the work of the Corum brothers.
It is simply not true that "the external capacitor does not have a major influence" on the TBF coil's resonance or other characteristics. You are misrepresenting the experiments and conclusions of Old Scientist just as you do with the work of others.
I give you once again the diagram that shows the relationship between inductive reactance, capacitive reactance, and the resonant frequency of _any_ LC tank, including those that use TBF windings. The reason OldScientist is confused is that he appears not to understand the things that the Corums have explained wrt distributed vs lumped capacitances.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2014, 06:34:41 PM »

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2014, 06:47:58 PM »
@TinselKoala,


                    Snorkling up from under your trash heap? I told you to DROP DEAD!

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2014, 08:31:44 PM »
@MarkE,


             Maybe you should go back and re-read the comment. The "Old Scientist" reports that the external capacitor does not have a major influence on the "Series Bifilar Coil" as you infer! There's an additive formula for the twin capacitors in the Colpitts oscillating circuit that won't work on the bifilar tank as you imply. You're making a mistake! Capacitance is evenly distributed in the series bifilar unlike the external capacitor that's wired across a divide of calculated resistance.


Quote from the "Old Scientist":


                            "It seams that the Bifilar coil does not participate in the dependence of (external) capacitance".

          Wiring a separate capacitor to a series bifilar coil does not behave additively like wiring two capacitors in parallel to a regular coil. The unequal distribution of capacitance between the bifilar coil and the external capacitor precludes the use of the standard formulas you're falsley trying to apply!
We have been discussing your use of a meaningless term. 

The quote you cite is a silly one disproven by 150 years of electrodynamics.  I can show you bifilar wound coils all day long that completely conform to simple analysis.

Please refresh my memory and show me what formula it is that I am trying to incorrectly apply to what situation.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2014, 08:31:44 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2014, 09:21:19 PM »
@TinselKoala,


                    Snorkling up from under your trash heap? I told you to DROP DEAD!

Are you threatening me, or just expressing your wishes?

Why don't you try _refuting_ me with checkable and valid outside references, facts, or demonstrations of your own? I know why and so do many of the rest of us. You cannot.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2014, 01:12:13 AM »
@TinselKoala,


Because you're BULLSHIT! Stay off my thread!

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2014, 01:12:13 AM »
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2014, 01:18:52 AM »
@TinselKoala,


Because you're BULLSHIT! Stay off my thread!
Synchro1: Fair is fair.  When you referenced TK's work you opened yourself to TK's comments, especially when he disputes your representations of his work. 

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2014, 04:03:51 PM »
@MarkE,


TK is an egocentric sadist. I am unwilling to stand for his abuse. He denied the existence of the "Negative Mico Henry" and  "Magnetic Resonance", he also preaches "Atheism!" He portrays me as a fraud. He's challenging us to supply material proof of a Creator, in denial of everything sacred in the Universe. Who wants to be preached to about Holiness from a shabby "Row House Basement"?


Wiring a  0 to 10 pico farad variable trimmer capacitor to the series bifilar would not only eliminate the need for a "Super Cray" calculation for fixed bifilar tank capacitance, but set at zero, would allow for the ground only test. The only other possibility as I see it, would be to investigate the possibility of a Reed Switch oscillation type fluttering. Most of those switches are crap and wind up sticking right off the bat. 

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2014, 04:03:51 PM »
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2014, 04:30:48 PM »
@MarkE,


TK is an egocentric sadist. I am unwilling to stand for his abuse. He denied the existence of the "Negative Mico Henry" and  "Magnetic Resonance", he also preaches "Atheism!" He portrays me as a fraud. He's challenging us to supply material proof of a Creator, in denial of everything sacred in the Universe. Who wants to be preached to about Holiness from a shabby "Row House Basement"?


Wiring a  0 to 10 pico farad variable trimmer capacitor to the series bifilar would not only eliminate the need for a "Super Cray" calculation for fixed bifilar tank capacitance, but set at zero, would allow for the ground only test. The only other possibility as I see it, would be to investigate the possibility of a Reed Switch oscillation type fluttering. Most of those switches are crap and wind up sticking right off the bat.
There are two problems:  It is a public message forum.  Unless someone is so abusive that Stefan deems it necessary to intervene, people get to express their opinions.  Second:  It should be common sense that if one cites somebody else' work, they have invited that other person's comments.  If you want to discourage TK making comments about your ideas, then inviting him by referencing his work is contrary to that goal.

Trimmer caps don't go to zero.  They can go to a low value.  If you want to shrink capacitance by orders of magnitude, then remove the capacitor, variable or fixed.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2014, 06:02:59 PM »
@MarkE,


You have it backwards! I commented on a video he uploaded of a "Coil Core Magnet Spinner" he gave me credit for innovating. I was among the first builders to begin experimenting with this approach nearly nine years ago, and I believe the first person to succeed at building a "Sine Wave Harmonic Self Accelerator".


I believe that the spinner picked up on a third harmonic of fractional amplitude, and climbed the Harmonics in "Barkhausen Spikes" to the bifilar's self resonating frequency where it's speed stabilized.


Try lighting a D.C. filament bulb with a D.C. pulse at 180Kz. What an incredible display! The light is separated into standing waves that form a spherical magnetic field as if it were a planetary field. Truly Fantastic! This frequency is the "Oscillating Frequency of Magnetisem" and has nothing to do with ferrite characteristics. TinselKoala denies it exists!

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2014, 06:02:59 PM »
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2014, 06:40:27 PM »
We're examining a very simple circuit of merely three components: "D.C. battery", "Reed Switch", and a "Series Bifilar Air Core Solenoid Coil".


There's three options to choose from: 1.- Zero external Capacitance.


                                                         2.- External capacitance of value.


                                                         3.-Switch Oscillation.


We covered the first two. The third, can be controlled by replacing the crappy Reed Switch with a CRYSTAL. We select a crystal that spontaneously self resonates at the self resonant frequency of the series biflar, and match the spinner R.P.M. , then blade switch the oscillating crystal into the circuit!
                                                         

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #40 on: September 05, 2014, 06:59:11 PM »
@MarkE,


You have it backwards! I commented on a video he uploaded of a "Coil Core Magnet Spinner" he gave me credit for innovating. I was among the first builders to begin experimenting with this approach nearly nine years ago, and I believe the first person to succeed at building a "Sine Wave Harmonic Self Accelerator".


I believe that the spinner picked up on a third harmonic of fractional amplitude, and climbed the Harmonics in "Barkhausen Spikes" to the bifilar's self resonating frequency where it's speed stabilized.


Try lighting a D.C. filament bulb with a D.C. pulse at 180Kz. What an incredible display! The light is separated into standing waves that form a spherical magnetic field as if it were a planetary field. Truly Fantastic! This frequency is the "Oscillating Frequency of Magnetisem" and has nothing to do with ferrite characteristics. TinselKoala denies it exists!
Synchro1, in message #6 you asked:

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What do you make of TK's sine wave spinner that acts as a "Negative Load" in regards to your views on power shunting? Think about this; How much input do you think the spinner would feed back into the tank?
 

That invited TK to comment and he did. 

This statement: 
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Try lighting a D.C. filament bulb with a D.C. pulse at 180Kz. What an incredible display! The light is separated into standing waves that form a spherical magnetic field as if it were a planetary field. Truly Fantastic! This frequency is the "Oscillating Frequency of Magnetisem" and has nothing to do with ferrite characteristics. TinselKoala denies it exists!

Has several problems:

180KHz is so far above the thermal time constant of the filament that what you have is a light dimmer.  You can prove this to yourself with a function generator, an N MOSFET, a battery or bench supply, the light bulb and a photo detector circuit.  Put the bulb and the photo detector in an opaque box:  drive the bulb and read the photodetector output on an oscilloscope.  At a fraction of 1 Hz the bulb will turn on and off pretty much completely.  At a few Hz, the bulb will glow still showing a significant light variation in the IR.  Above 100Hz, there will be very little variation.

Standing waves occur when there are reflections in the transmission path.  Turning a transmitting source on and off would only establish a standing wave when the distance between reflectors is an even multiple of a quarter wavelength.  For light with wavelengths in the half micrometer range you need extreme precision in the distance and stability of the distance to get a standing wave pattern.  You need fine distances such as found in a diffraction grating.  To set up standing waves from the pulses at 180kHz, you need to separate the reflectors by a distance of: (2n)*3E8*0.25/180E3   That's multiples of 5/6 km.   That's one big box.




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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2014, 07:05:14 PM »
@MarkE,


TK is an egocentric sadist. I am unwilling to stand for his abuse. He denied the existence of the "Negative Mico Henry" and  "Magnetic Resonance", he also preaches "Atheism!" He portrays me as a fraud. He's challenging us to supply material proof of a Creator, in denial of everything sacred in the Universe. Who wants to be preached to about Holiness from a shabby "Row House Basement"?


Wiring a  0 to 10 pico farad variable trimmer capacitor to the series bifilar would not only eliminate the need for a "Super Cray" calculation for fixed bifilar tank capacitance, but set at zero, would allow for the ground only test. The only other possibility as I see it, would be to investigate the possibility of a Reed Switch oscillation type fluttering. Most of those switches are crap and wind up sticking right off the bat.


You are a liar and a fool. You constantly misrepresent my work and the work of others and you do a disservice by misleading those who may not know better than to fall for your misinterpretations and your BS.
If that's not bad enough.... you are just WRONG.


You cannot support the contentions you make about me with references, links, checkable outside facts or demonstrations of your own. In short, you are an obnoxious blowhard fool. How long did it take you to start "your" thread, after being asked how many times to stop posting your irrelevant and wrong nonsense in another thread where a different discussion was going on? You don't have a leg to stand on.


If you want me to stay out of your way, THEN STOP MISREPRESENTING ME AND MY WORK. For about the hundredth time, in this thread and others you have been told that. But like the fool you are, you do not learn and you persist in your errors. You cannot even grasp the fact that I know a _lot_ more  than you do about Tesla, his work, his apparatus, and the theoretical and actual performance of tuned circuits and Tesla power systems in general -- as demonstrated many times in my various videos. But you are so stuffed up with your BS misconceptions and misinterpretations that you are incapable of learning. As you continue to demonstrate.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2014, 04:29:34 PM »
Figure 2, the crystal oscillator frequencies are adjusted with a small 50pF rotary capacitor. With the circuit as shown, with a five-volt power supply, the audio output frequency range is 10 Hz to a little over 2 kHz. The gates used are all belong to the first generation TTL group. It is very beneficial if the inside circuit is known to save many hours spent on discovery work.

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« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2014, 04:42:07 PM »
The Android I-Phone audio frequency generator we've seen Daniel Nunez demonstrate would probably do an excellent job! The frequency's adjusted by a bar slider on the I-Phone screen! Nunez ties into an amplifier to control power.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2014, 04:47:55 PM »
@TinselKoala,


Go fly a kite!

 

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