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Author Topic: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.  (Read 101915 times)

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #225 on: September 18, 2015, 03:24:09 PM »
@Tagor,

Let's say Hatem magnetically coupled an additional 15 alternator rotors on top of his existing 4. Do you think his power motor would draw additional input? What if someone were to tell you that the input would drop?

you are totaly wrong

look at this

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Léon-Raoul HATEM
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inventeur français du moteur à dégravitation[/size][/color]
Un pas de géant concret[/size][/b][/color]
pour la production d'énergie sur-unitaire individuelle[/size][/b][/color]
au refuge de Sarenne[/size][/b][/color]
http://www.mythesetrealites.org/crbst_96.html
 

[/size]Dans le domaine de l'autonomie énergétique, le Refuge de Sarenne est un modèle du genre. Situé dans l'Oisan à 2000 m d'altitude, près de l'Alpe d'Huez, il combine toutes les sources d'énergies renouvelables pour produire l'électricité nécessaire au fonctionnement du refuge en totale autonomie : solaire, hydraulique, moteur Stirling, gazéification du bois, éolien, épuration des eaux usées dans un bassin de phytoépuration, recyclage des déchets, etc. Même s'il est rare de retrouver sur un même lieu une telle concentration de combinaisons innovantes ce ne sont pas celles-là que nous souhaitons vous faire partager. Toutes ces techniques sont largement diffusées et encouragées dans les grands médias. [/size][/color]
[/size]Fabrice André,[/size][/b][/color] propriétaire du refuge de Sarenne, vient de mettre au point, sur la base des travaux de Léon-Raoul Hatem, une machine sur-unitaire capable de produire suffisamment d'énergie électrique pour alimenter largement l'ensemble du domaine de Sarenne. [/size][/color]
[/size]Pour faire fonctionner ce système il suffit d'une très modeste source d'énergie de 200 à 750 W pour générer par amplification magnétique une énergie allant de 14 kW à 90 kW.[/size][/color]

http://overunity.com/12770/le-refuge-de-fabrice-andre-et-ses-projets-surunitaires-ou-surnumeraires/msg338823/#msg338823

all the tests on this motor hatem

http://www.magnetosynergie.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=131

http://overunity.com/12770/le-refuge-de-fabrice-andre-et-ses-projets-surunitaires-ou-surnumeraires/msg339930/#msg339930

depuis au moins 2010 fabrice andre raconte qu'il a fabriqué un moteur "hatem" en réalité son moteur n'a jamais fonctionné

THE MOTOR HATEM OF FABRICE ANDRE DOES NOT WORKS
and also the motor of the inventor does not works


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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #225 on: September 18, 2015, 03:24:09 PM »

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #226 on: September 18, 2015, 03:28:51 PM »
A simple way to test Hatem's cogging method would involve 3 magnet spheres and three toroid coils. All three coils would need a power circuit, but the outer two would flop over for output when their satellite spheres were up to speed and driven by the center sphere's magnetic coupling alone.

The satellites may speed up over CMF and propel the central rotor with "Lenz Reverse" acceleration and deliver a drop in input when the load's connected.

you have to speek of this anomaly to leon hatem and fabrice andre


look at this pic , did you see overunity ?
there is 0 kw input and xxxx kwatt output !

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #227 on: September 18, 2015, 06:12:45 PM »
This guy claims he got OU results:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4FEba4kQb0

My claims are not dependent on any of Hatem's research. However, it might be possible for Mindfreer to show that the input doesn't rise on the power motor when he connects the two light bulb load through the alternator, because of the "One Direction Grab Rule".

The one real advantage to Mindfreer's Hatem setup is that the alternator can't pass it's "Lenz Drag" back to the generator rotor. He doesn't bother to underscore this point.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2015, 08:31:19 PM by synchro1 »

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #227 on: September 18, 2015, 06:12:45 PM »
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #228 on: September 18, 2015, 09:36:08 PM »
The microwave carousel motor magnet rotor has six N.S. poles. The rotor could spin sideways inside the core of an upright carousel coil. Pull the coil and rotor from the casing, and snip the axle pin and mount it inside the side of the core with the rotor now at 90 degrees from where it rotated in the case. Three of these side by side could be powered by synchronous A.C.. The end coils could be flopped to load after reaching 3600 Hertz for CMF, and the satellites driven by magnetic coupling to the center rotor.

The rotors can pony up to 60 Hertz with a small air compressor.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #229 on: September 19, 2015, 12:16:27 AM »
Lidmotor says that his oscillator input drops when he's pulling a load through his generator coil at 1:40 in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afEWXadfpqY

Does "Slip Torque" play role in this input reversal? 

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #229 on: September 19, 2015, 12:16:27 AM »
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #230 on: September 19, 2015, 02:11:35 AM »
Two coils with their two 6 pole magnet rotors, a wall plug, a DPDT switch and an incandescent light bulb are all we would need along with the A.C. amp meter to see if input dropped on load. There's a chance the magnet rotors will catch on with just a few strong finger flicks.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #231 on: September 19, 2015, 08:42:37 AM »
This guy claims he got OU results:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4FEba4kQb0

My claims are not dependent on any of Hatem's research. However, it might be possible for Mindfreer to show that the input doesn't rise on the power motor when he connects the two light bulb load through the alternator, because of the "One Direction Grab Rule".

The one real advantage to Mindfreer's Hatem setup is that the alternator can't pass it's "Lenz Drag" back to the generator rotor. He doesn't bother to underscore this point.

since 2010 .. there is no replication
there is no independent verification

so you can think what you want but the hatem motor does not work
the inventor has no working device it is a real fact ( i visit him few years ago )

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #232 on: September 19, 2015, 08:45:09 AM »
Lidmotor says that his oscillator input drops when he's pulling a load through his generator coil at 1:40 in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afEWXadfpqY

Does "Slip Torque" play role in this input reversal?

it is not what hatem and fabrice andre are doing
there is no working device based on hatem miracle

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #233 on: September 19, 2015, 10:40:03 AM »
@Tagor,

Thanks for contributing to the thread. Mindfreer's videos were taken down unexplainably. Now they're back! I watched one for the first time yesterday I've never seen before. Mindfreer maintains that the strength of the magnetic rotor coupling is directly proportional to the output. The coupling strength of the magnets is equal to the amount of power that they can generate. Lenz drag from the alternator causes the magnet rotors to slip. This problem never-the-less does not cover all the unusual and fascinating effects we witness from magnets.

Hatem's generator is not overunity, because his magnetic rotor couplings are too weak. That doesn't mean it does nothing. I believe it's important to experiment and find out if there's a "Lenz Free" relationship in the coupling. Eliminating "Lenz Drag" on the prime mover is a lesser achievement then overunity, but very worthwhile anyway.   

Anyone can spin a few N.S. magnet tops next to one another to see for themselves how slowing one down has no effect on it's neighbor, but speeding it up does! This is my only claim, and it's the key to eliminating "Lenz Drag" on the prime mover.

Acceleration causes traction between adjacent magnet spinners, deceleration causes free wheeling! Acceleration locks the magnetic rotor fields; Deceleration unlocks the magnetic rotor fields. Every magnet shares this "Inertial Latch" feature.

This "Latch Effect" conforms to the principle of: "Conservation of Energy". Spinning magnets share their increased velocity, but not their inertial drag. Thery're only attracted by positive spin. Negative spin is void! They can only support each other positively, and not run each other down. They speed latch and brake free! The moving spinners have a synergistic relationship with zero entropy. This explains why the entire Universe doesn't just slow down and grind to a halt too soon!

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #233 on: September 19, 2015, 10:40:03 AM »
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #234 on: September 19, 2015, 12:22:15 PM »
This is leading into some very complex force relationships. The latch behavior inside a "Forced Field" area follows the coupling strength. The magnets need to be in a balanced spin zone, not a forced area, for the no "Lenz Drag" effect.

Drawing the magnets too close together will cause them to just stick to each other. After that event, the back traction is infinite. This is an important point; The "Lenz Free" spinners have to be positioned precisely with respect to distance between themselves to benefit from the "Inertial Latch" effect. This distance is different from the coupling distance used by Hatem between his generator rotors. I'll call this the "Inertial Latch Zone". This is the zone where the attraction from acceleration is greater then the decoupling from deceleration. There's a marked inequality between these effects at the correct distance.

Chaniotakis positions his "Elemen" driver magnets just close enough to the alternator rotor to effect it, but no closer. Hatem pushes his rotor magnets together more closely inside that area. Hatem's rotors are stuck together in both directions, unlike Chaniotakis's "Elemen". As we distance the spinners, the decoupling force increases over the attraction from acceleration and reaches a height at a sweet spot.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #235 on: September 19, 2015, 12:57:22 PM »
Take the two Carousel rotors mounted sideways in those coils. We can distance them closely to maximize coupling strength as Hatem does, or further apart in the "Inertial Latch Zone" sweet spot. This is easy to feel for. We don't want to push them too close together where they begin to stick like Hatem's! We're positioning for a controlled "Slip Zone", where the force from acceleration is stronger then the inertial back hold from slowing.

There's a strong and a weak force ascertainable just like the poles, the north a bit weaker then the south. One spinner can break the coupling completely from drag, but the force to speed it back up is still exerted on it by the faster moving spinner magnet while the drag magnet is totally sliping. The magnets won't "Declutch" if they're too close!

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« Reply #236 on: September 19, 2015, 01:39:46 PM »
The coils and magnet spinners would work best with one riding a fine positioning screw. Amp meters on input and output can help determine just exactly where to distance the rotors to decouple "Lenz Drag". This area probably corresponds exactly with the "Neutral Zone". This is where the "Inertial Latch Rule" applies. This turns out to be much easier then it sounds to deal with.

Momentum holds the advantage over inertia in the neutral zone decoupling contest. This is an all or nothing effect at point zero. When the drag magnet slows, it actually looses mass along with magnetic field strength, while the power rotor retains all it's strength; So, as the one magnet slows it grows weaker in strength and can't transfer it's waning effect as powerfully as the motor rotor with it's acceleration influence. This difference is stark at the balance point between the fields where a slight imbalance causes a complete slip of the "Yin Spin".

We need the rotors far enough apart to allow the satellite rotor to slip when it slows down and not as close as possible to maximize the coupling strength like Hatem. Two free spinning magnet spheres will orient themselves naturally at this distance from each other, and begin to revolve around themselves.
 

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #237 on: September 19, 2015, 03:44:12 PM »
The satellite magnet can remain stationary inside the core of the output coil, and it will still generate "Lenz Free" output from the oscillation alone. The magnet would have to be repositioned back to it's original orientation. I tired to get Conradelektro to test this kind of magnet core output coil in the neutral zone and called it the "Synchro coil" but Conradelektro pushed it too far into the power rotor coupling zone trying to  treat it as an induction coil, and killed the oscillation.

This would reduce the test bed to one coil core mounted rotor, a wall plug wire, and a light bulb; Plus the stationary diametric magnet core output coil, and a fine positioning screw, to position inside a millimeter.

The test would involve disconnecting the bulb to see if there's a drop in input reflecting "Lenz Load".

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #238 on: September 19, 2015, 07:39:46 PM »
The washtub drain motor satellite tube rotor would need the same kind of screw positioner to slip the "Lenz Drag" as the synchronous carousel.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #239 on: September 20, 2015, 04:03:31 PM »
Two different spinning magnets at different speeds always speeds the slower magnet up. Never does the slower magnet slow it's spinning partner down. This is the hard and fast principle of "Speed Latch". Conservation of energy wins out over entropy every time.

Here's a question: Does the faster magnet slow down as the slower magnet speeds up? Does the faster magnet's speed remain unchanged? Or, does the speed of the faster magnet increase along with the speed of it's satellite? Can we find evidence of "Anti-Drag Acceleration Synergy" between spinning magnets anywhere?

Why does placing magnets on the side of a D.C. motor speed the motor up with no rise in input as Chaniotakis shows in his video?
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