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Author Topic: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.  (Read 100097 times)

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #135 on: August 23, 2015, 05:35:32 AM »
The turntable coil has a 10 to 1 step down transformer enclosed in the plastic plug housing and normally runs at 21 volts (Omni Hertz). We need to charge the D.C. cap to 21 volts to match.

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« Reply #136 on: August 23, 2015, 03:50:03 PM »
I believe the D.C. capacitor would need 210 volts. I'm not sure if those kinds of power coils would resonate with the transformer in the way. This coil is extremely versatile because it can plug directly into a wall socket and run any N.S. rotor effortlessly with synchronous A.C.. We need more testing to determine it's value as an LC tank componant. It may help to wire the capacitor to the coil above the transformer at 21 volts. We would need to wire the DPDT switch between the coil and capacitor at the coil's electrode junction to disconnect the transformer. These turntable motors come in different power ranges. The copy models cost around $10.00 from ebay.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #137 on: August 23, 2015, 06:22:25 PM »
We spin the powerful A.C. magnet rotor up to 3600 R.P.M., disconnect the power, and "flop" the charged capacitor into the coil. The coil now functions as an output coil for the powerful rapidly spinning magnet rotor. Where would all this instantaneous A.C. power go to at 60 hertz? How much would the rotor output increase the amplitude of the LC sine wave in the tank circuit resonating at 60 hertz?

We still need to feed the circuit to replenish the losses. Feeding pulsed D.C. into the tank, through a coil primary, or directly into the capacitor would sustain the rotor speed at 3600 R.P.M'S.

The spinning rotor raises the coil's impedance helping cause "Lenz Reversal". The rotating magnet is storing it's own output in the LC tank sine wave amplitude which is in turn driving the rotor. The phase shift results in "Lenz Propulsion" above "Critical Minimum Frequency", or (CMF).

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« Reply #137 on: August 23, 2015, 06:22:25 PM »
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #138 on: August 23, 2015, 10:49:47 PM »
Disconnecting the transformer from the coil and pulsing the 1 turn primary into an LC tank consisting of the 10 turn transformer secondary and matching capacitor, tuned to a resonant frquency of 60 hertz, may act as an A.C. "Pony Tank" and feed power into the adjacent main tank inductor through induction.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #139 on: August 24, 2015, 04:09:57 PM »
The "Keppe Motor" can run as an A.C. synchronous, or D.C. pulse motor. Keppe has reported the same reduction of input under load as Gotoluc. Luc grabs ahold of the rotor axle untill it starts to slip, and measures a drop in input.

The slowed rotating magnets are forced to do work to try and catch up with the A.C. frequency. The permanent magnet's field is actually strengthened from the quantum plane to help the rotation get back in synchronicity with the A.C. frequency. When Luc squeezes the axle and causes the magnet rotor to begin to "Slip", the magnets really start growing stronger to help catch back up to the input frequency from the atomic level. This results in the reduction in input, and amounts to "Free energy".

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #140 on: August 24, 2015, 04:23:16 PM »
The "Keppe Motor" can run as an A.C. synchronous, or D.C. pulse motor. Keppe has reported the same reduction of input under load as Gotoluc. Luc grabs ahold of the rotor axle untill it starts to slip, and measures a drop in input.

The slowed rotating magnets are forced to do work to try and catch up with the A.C. frequency. The permanent magnet's field is actually strengthened from the quantum plane to help the rotation get back in synchronicity with the A.C. frequency. When Luc squeezes the axle and causes the magnet rotor to begin to "Slip", the magnets really start growing stronger to help catch back up to the input frequency from the atomic level. This results in the reduction in input, and amounts to "Free energy".
The Keppe fan motor is an electronically commutated DC motor.  It will not run as a synchronous AC motor.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #141 on: August 24, 2015, 04:50:43 PM »
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Unique Features of the Keppe Motor:

•Automatic dual voltage: can run on either 110 V or 220 V, or 50 Hz or 60 Hz, with no customer settings required, making it universal.

•Can run on AC or DC, making the switch back to DC more achievable.

•The Keppe Motor runs barely 5º C above ambient, whereas conventional motors run as much as 20-60º C above ambient.

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« Reply #142 on: August 24, 2015, 05:12:14 PM »
@MarkE,

Your block diagram above stretched the page! Please delete it.
The picture is 1262 pixels wide.
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Unique Features of the Keppe Motor:

•Automatic dual voltage: can run on either 110 V or 220 V, or 50 Hz or 60 Hz, with no customer settings required, making it universal.
That is not at all unique. The schematics of the Keppe motor I reviewed would not even safely run on 110V.  220V would cause the electronics to catch fire.  I made specific recommendations for safety changes that they may have later incorporated.
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•Can run on AC or DC, making the switch back to DC more achievable.
That's because there is a full-wave bridge rectifier and filter capacitor.  DC input simply means current only ever runs through two of the four diodes in the full-wave bridge.  The rectification and filtering means that it cannot run as an AC synchronous motor.
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•The Keppe Motor runs barely 5º C above ambient, whereas conventional motors run as much as 20-60º C above ambient.
Anyone can make a motor run cool simply by oversizing as Keppe do.  What matters is how much power the motor wastes.  In the schematic above, Keppe ineptly get their low power setting with a wasteful power dropping resistor, when a simple multivibrator could have been used to chop current.

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« Reply #143 on: August 24, 2015, 06:29:07 PM »
@MarkE,

I didn't say that the Keppe Motor was an A.C. synchronous motor. I merely restated what Keppe says; That "the motor can run as one" either on 110 V or 220 V, or 50 Hz or 60 Hz.  Keppe also maintains that the motor draws less input under load, like Gotoluc's A.C. synchronous job. I'm suggesting a common factor that involves a strengthening of magnet force from slip lag to account for the seperate but similar effects.

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« Reply #144 on: August 24, 2015, 07:51:38 PM »
@MarkE,

I didn't say that the Keppe Motor was an A.C. synchronous motor. I merely restated what Keppe says; That "the motor can run as one" either on 110 V or 220 V, or 50 Hz or 60 Hz. 
Keppe are FOS.  They make a number of false claims such as resonant operation that does not occur. It is like all their utter BS about "disinverted physics". You didn't know better.  OK, now you do know better.
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Keppe also maintains that the motor draws less input under load, like Gotoluc's A.C. synchronous job. I'm suggesting a common factor that involves a strengthening of magnet force from slip lag to account for the seperate but similar effects.
Well, the problem there is that Keppe compare their poorly designed, electronically commutated motor against extremely inefficient shaded pole AC motors.  A fair comparison is against other DC motors, such as DC BLMs.  Keppe do not want to make such comparisons because when they do, their crude POS motor comes up short.  The Keppe motor compares poorly against commercial DC BLMs that cost less to build, are more efficient, and don't constitute electrocution and fire hazards that the Keppe fan kit motor did as released a couple of years ago.

The Keppe motor is a very crude affair:  It has a single pole stator and a two pole permanent magnet rotor.  It throws away the stator magnetization energy.  The incredible part is that Keppe claim that it took them 10 years to build what has the sophistication of an 8th grade science project that disregards safety.

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« Reply #145 on: August 24, 2015, 08:20:28 PM »
@MarkE,

Thanks Mark, the Keppe Motor sounds like just another piece of crap! Look at the perpendicular toroid coil orientation to the N.S. magnet faces in this 14 volts at 20 hertz "Synchronous Motor" video. This video shows how the turntable coils need to face the diametric tube rotor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoDnqzYzSu4

There's a transformer built into the turntable coil that does nearly the same work as the "stand alone" model in Kim's video.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #146 on: August 24, 2015, 09:43:04 PM »
@MarkE,

Thanks Mark, the Keppe Motor sounds like just another piece of crap!
What they were marketing a couple of years ago would never get past safety agency requirements in the USA.
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Look at the perpendicular toroid coil orientation to the N.S. magnet faces in this 14 volts at 20 hertz "Synchronous Motor" video. This video shows how the turntable coils need to face the diametric tube rotor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoDnqzYzSu4

There's a transformer built into the turntable coil that does nearly the same work as the "stand alone" model in Kim's video.
The motor in the video is very primitive, and one of the results is that it does not start by itself.  That's one of the reasons that the Keppe motor has a bias magnet.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #147 on: August 24, 2015, 10:20:30 PM »
@MarkE,

Good point! "Retod Dave" has his 'De-gauser Coil" powering his sinusoidal wave spinner lying down, 90 degrees from Kim's, the way the coil is oriented toward the tiny magnet rotor in the turntable motor case . This orientation would allow multiple coils to slip over a narrow tube rotor the same diameter as the turntable rotor magnet. Collaring a tube with 6 or 8  turntable coils in parallel ought to deliver much more increased torque to the axle.

Multiplying the coils would permit the use of a larger matching capacitor and strengthen the resonant oscillation. We can leave the original coils in the cases, then stretch a narrow magnet tube maybe 6"s, and completely encase the outside with a solid ring of back to back coils.

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« Reply #148 on: August 24, 2015, 11:12:10 PM »
Resonance is not generally helpful in a motor.  Feel free to put together whatever you like and measure the efficiency with a high and a low Q configuration.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #149 on: August 24, 2015, 11:38:25 PM »
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