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Author Topic: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.  (Read 101671 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #120 on: August 21, 2015, 05:44:30 PM »
The best approach would be to "Mag Amp" the core with a D.C. primary winding. This is an inefficient method, but allows for a reinforcing pulse at LC resonant frequency. Saturating the core wih D.C. current eliminates any inductance value to the coil. Placing magnets in a coil core alters performance compared to air. Saturating the ferrite creates an electromagnet. Adding inductance by reducing the D.C. current would be matched by increasing the capacitance to slow the rotor R.P.M.

Air has greater inductance value to the coil then a saturated ferrite core, or permanent magnets. We can precisly control rotor speed with this "Mag Amp" core saturator primary wrap, maybe a few hundred turns of 28 gauge. This creates an additional pathway for pulsed D.C. input.

The D.C. pulse should be able to spin the tube rotor at high power alone from the same source battery that charges the tank capacitor. The core saturator would be powered by the same battery. The core should be set back away from the magnet rotor, it doesn't need to extend completely through. The core would retract all the way coupled with reduced capacitance for top sine wave R.P.M. This speed up would be coupled with a reduction in input.
It is an amusing way to waste energy.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #120 on: August 21, 2015, 05:44:30 PM »

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #121 on: August 21, 2015, 06:14:05 PM »
It is an amusing way to waste energy.

The nested coils, D.C. primary and tank inductor secondary are parts of two independent circuits. The primary is sufficient to drive the rotor independently. This can save on broken fingers on the run up. The primary can serve as an auxilliary first stage booster coil. The straight D.C. induction suppressor feature is definitely a bust, as you point out, but it allows for very fine precision tuning of the inductor for high Q factor once resonance has been achieved at a specifc R.P.M.. The primary along with the core need to be retracted completely from the secondary core for maximum efficiency under full sine wave drive.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #122 on: August 21, 2015, 06:31:38 PM »
The nested coils, D.C. primary and tank inductor secondary have two independent circuits. The primary is sufficient to drive the rotor independently. This can save on broken fingers on the run up. The primary can serve as an auxilliary first stage booster coil. The straight D.C. induction suppressor feature is definitely a bust, as you point out, but it allows for very fine precision tuning of the inductor for high Q factor once resonance has been achieved at a specifc R.P.M.. The primary along with the core need to be retracted completely from the secondary core for maximum efficiency under sine wave drive.
Tuning inductance by swinging near saturation aggravates copper loss and throws away energy. 

You should be asking yourself what you hope to gain from making the system resonant.  Tuned networks make sense when there is an existing power source that operates in a narrow frequency band that you want to transmit or block while doing the opposite to energy sources outside the band.  For instance if you have a loosely coupled transformer and you want to pass more power at some frequency than the stray inductance would allow, then you can make a tuned circuit that will cancel the reactance of the stray inductance with a matched capacitive reactance.  It doesn't make free energy.  It does make it possible to pass more useful energy for a given set of circumstances.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #123 on: August 21, 2015, 09:06:32 PM »
Tuning inductance by swinging near saturation aggravates copper loss and throws away energy. 

You should be asking yourself what you hope to gain from making the system resonant.  Tuned networks make sense when there is an existing power source that operates in a narrow frequency band that you want to transmit or block while doing the opposite to energy sources outside the band.  For instance if you have a loosely coupled transformer and you want to pass more power at some frequency than the stray inductance would allow, then you can make a tuned circuit that will cancel the reactance of the stray inductance with a matched capacitive reactance.  It doesn't make free energy.  It does make it possible to pass more useful energy for a given set of circumstances.

@MarkE,

I witnessed the "Paradox" of increased acceleration with decreased input before. What happens between the rotor and output coils as the rotor accelerates? Power is generated in inverse proportion to the input reduction. Going from 50 to a 100 hertz by halving inductance and capacitance, doubles the rotor output. This kind of "Synchronous" motor supplies power to help run itself as it speeds up from input reduction. This motor does indeed make it's own free energy!

The rotor needs to spin it's own field strength up in the coils before it can begin to surf  the "Sine Wave". Once the rotor makes the transition to the oscillating current, it's basicly turned into a self runner.














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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #124 on: August 21, 2015, 09:23:25 PM »
Synchro1!
This self-deception (as well).
where the surplus?
where is he from?
 :)
Do not you think?
 ;)

@idegen,

The "Magic of Resonance"! The circuit starts feeding off it's own strength as the powerful magnet rotor accelerates. The magnet rotor's output power is recirculated automatically because of the circuit's simplicity.

Where does the output go if it's not helping accelerate itself? The output equals the input. Where does the power come from to accelerate the rotor if it's not receiving an immediate counter force from it's own flux generation? The rotor's running on an A.C sine wave, and simultaneously generating an A.C. sine wave back into it's own power coils that is additive. Got it?

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #124 on: August 21, 2015, 09:23:25 PM »
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #125 on: August 22, 2015, 12:07:25 AM »
Magic? = scam
Resonance? well with the beautiful music.
harmony.
Do not let him fool you scam.
or magic.
 ;)

Uggabugga!

Quote from Gotoluc on his A.C. magnet rotor:

"The big bonus is, since the rotor is a magnet as it rotates it makes the coil more and more efficient as the RPM increases".

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #126 on: August 22, 2015, 12:30:28 AM »
Here's a video of the disassembly of a microwave A.C. "Synchronous" carosel motor. The guy keeps repeating: There's nothing in here! Just a coil and magnet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzhcJDqQ_h0

That magnet ring must spin at 3600 R.P.M.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #127 on: August 22, 2015, 01:05:25 AM »
The magnet ring generates power in the carosel coil when spun by hand. What happens to this BEMF when the magnet ring's powered by sine wave?

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #128 on: August 22, 2015, 01:24:13 AM »
asshole.
Time will solve.
I will not fight with you.
stupid idea.
The truth will win.
ungabunga. ;)

Shithead!

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #128 on: August 22, 2015, 01:24:13 AM »
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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #129 on: August 22, 2015, 01:39:22 AM »
Wiring a matching capacitor to the carosel coil to deliver a resonant frequency of 60 hertz, and 3600 R.P.M. would allow us to us A.C. wall current in place of a pony motor for the run up. We need to supply a D.C. power source to the capacitor to run the oscillation. BEMF should energize the power coil enough to manage the transition, as we turn off the A.C. wallpower and flop over to D.C.

We could wrap a thick wire primary around the power coil to pulse with 60 hertz D.C. The magnet spinner still powered by sine wave.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #130 on: August 22, 2015, 02:17:05 AM »
@MarkE,

I witnessed the "Paradox" of increased acceleration with decreased input before. What happens between the rotor and output coils as the rotor accelerates? Power is generated in inverse proportion to the input reduction. Going from 50 to a 100 hertz by halving inductance and capacitance, doubles the rotor output. This kind of "Synchronous" motor supplies power to help run itself as it speeds up from input reduction. This motor does indeed make it's own free energy!

The rotor needs to spin it's own field strength up in the coils before it can begin to surf  the "Sine Wave". Once the rotor makes the transition to the oscillating current, it's basicly turned into a self runner.
It is not a paradox.  It means that the system is non-linear.  Many systems are.  The common mistake that many people make is that they confuse increasing efficiency or increasing output with reduced input as a sign of over unity.  They invariably find that try as they might, they can't ever manage to get the system to the point that the absolute output energy exceeds the input energy, cycle by cycle.  There is always the "sticky spot" or its equivalent to overcome.  the predicted self-running machines only ever run down.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
« Reply #131 on: August 22, 2015, 03:48:30 AM »
This 5 to 15 volt D.C. pulse generator, (0-2khz), is listed for $4.39 on Amazon. Synchronous micro-wave carosel motors are selling for $5.00.

The carosel motor is driven by an LC oscillation sine wave and merely getting a boost from the D.C pulsed primary.

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Re: Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.
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« Reply #133 on: August 22, 2015, 04:35:54 PM »
Here's a good way to scale this architecture up: The magnet rotor rides on a pin and must be polarized diametrically, or side to side. Imagine two cases on their sides with the rotor pins facing one another. It would be possible to sandwich a larger 3' long diametric tube with two rotor magnets that would plug into the end holes, stick by natural attraction and glue. The plastic rotor magnet cusps, inserted into the holes of the large tube magnet, could then mount laterally to the case pins on each side, and be perfectly balanced.

The two coils could then be positioned upright at the open spaces to the sides and connected in parallel. The coils are fine precision wound 32 gauge magnet wire. Can someone measure the inductance of one of these turntable coils? This scaled up model would be able to run directly from wall current too.

Next step would be to match the parallel coil's combined inductance to the correct capacitance to resonate at 60 hertz, and try and power this A.C motor from a D.C. source through the LC tank inverter. Pulse booster primaries, a few wraps of thick wire around the perimeter of the power coils, would help sustain the oscillation pulsed at 60 hertz D.C..

A DPDT switch with a neutral position would allow us to run the magnet rotor up to 3600 R.P.M'S with wall current to energize the coils, then "flop over" to the D.C. tank circuit for super efficiency.
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« Reply #134 on: August 22, 2015, 09:20:00 PM »
Look at a long tube magnet: Any I.D. is available. The plastic rotor magnet cusp looks pretty close to 1/4" in the "Autopsy video".
We can work 4 power coils in parallel around a 6" tube. It may help to run this motor on the vertical axis the way it was designed to operate. We can improvise on the overhead support.

We can just sit a 1" diametric magnet tube over the seated rotor magnet, for a "quick and dirty" platform cut the sides from the casing, and power from the sides.

 

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