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Author Topic: Permanent magnet OU machine working today  (Read 29783 times)

Offline lumen

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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2015, 12:40:24 AM »
If I recall properly, it is  essential to study one COMPLETE cycle, or preferably several cycles.

I agree.
In fact endless cycles would be required to show OU.
I just tested a device and have some interesting results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP8Ogl1ccLo

 
 

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2015, 12:57:54 AM »

I agree.
In fact endless cycles would be required to show OU.
I just tested a device and have some interesting results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP8Ogl1ccLo

Says "Video Is Private".

Bill

Offline lumen

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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2015, 02:48:09 AM »
Says "Video Is Private".

Bill

Sorry about that.
I was so busy trying to get the audio back to the right level I never made it public.
It should be ok now.

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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2015, 03:22:32 AM »

Sorry about that.
I was so busy trying to get the audio back to the right level I never made it public.
It should be ok now.

Thanks, I will check it out.

Bill

Offline Jimboot

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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2015, 06:24:26 AM »
Thanks Lumen. Sweet build.

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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2015, 07:35:15 AM »
Great build there.  Those neutral points are indeed interesting.  I am not sure what you can do with this but, I have not seen this before so...who knows?

Bill

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2015, 03:39:11 AM »
Yes, some nice machine work on there. That "neutral point" is the same thing I'm illustrating in my "Nikolayev trailer hitch" videos, but you've implemented it in a very nice way using the linkage.



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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2015, 04:26:10 AM »
This design was shown to work in the simulator but I was sure it would not work and now I am forced to take the next logical step and modify the block holding the diametrically polarized cylinder so it can rotate.
 
The cylinder is intended to rotate at the neutral point where there is equal repelling and attracting forces and logically it should rotate with near zero effort but I believe this must not be the case or this device would likely be OU.
 
The rotation of the cylinder magnet must require work to increase the potential of the system or the energy expended on first release could be used to rotate the cylinder magnet at the end of it's stroke and restore the potential required to traverse back. Then repeat continually until it breaks.
 
 
 
 

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2015, 10:59:54 PM »
Actually, what I think you will find is that the orientation of the cylinder magnet at the "neutral point" is unstable; that is, if it is free to flip over (or rather rotate 180 degrees around its long axis since it is diametrically polled) , it will, and then it will crash into the stationary magnet by attraction. The mounting you are using is keeping it from flipping over. In my Nikolayev trailer hitch, the analogous magnet (bar magnet endwise-polled) is prevented from flipping over by being constrained in a tube. In my system it would also be possible to stabilize by being spun around its axis, I think, like the original Levitron toy.

It would be interesting to see if I'm right about this in your system. Is there some way you can make it possible for the cylinder magnet to rotate freely in its mounting?

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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2015, 11:21:21 PM »
Actually, what I think you will find is that the orientation of the cylinder magnet at the "neutral point" is unstable; that is, if it is free to flip over (or rather rotate 180 degrees around its long axis since it is diametrically polled) , it will, and then it will crash into the stationary magnet by attraction. The mounting you are using is keeping it from flipping over. In my Nikolayev trailer hitch, the analogous magnet (bar magnet endwise-polled) is prevented from flipping over by being constrained in a tube. In my system it would also be possible to stabilize by being spun around its axis, I think, like the original Levitron toy.

It would be interesting to see if I'm right about this in your system. Is there some way you can make it possible for the cylinder magnet to rotate freely in its mounting?

I am nearly finished with the changes that will allow the cylinder to rotate.
It should not crash into the stationary magnets because it does not do so now and the neutral point exists at both ends due to the large magnets arranged as mirrors to the other side.
I think it would take some work to rotate it but the neutral points will still exists the same as they do now.
Once the cylinder is rotated it will simply work as it does now but in the other direction.
 

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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2015, 12:38:13 AM »
Hi Lumen, looking forward to your changes update, don't really understand what you mean about the magnets being arranged as mirrors to the other side?
Also TK is there a link to your video of this trailer hitch thing?
Thanks artv

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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2015, 03:47:26 AM »
Hi Lumen, looking forward to your changes update, don't really understand what you mean about the magnets being arranged as mirrors to the other side?
Also TK is there a link to your video of this trailer hitch thing?
Thanks artv
Here's one demonstration I made in August 2011:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUihboGkJnE

Offline lumen

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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2015, 09:27:37 PM »
Now we see the issue. Not sure there can be a way around the problem but there is something more complex going on here.
https://youtu.be/Dh0_eN2b-GI
 
 
 

Offline norman6538

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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2015, 01:56:20 PM »

Bessler obscured the secrets of his wheel in many drawings and behind
a piece of cloth but I have revealed the mechanism in an annimation
that is the key to my device. However most folks would spend
more to see one Pennstate football game than to see a perpetual
motion machine. So maybe I could have made more money by selling
my obscured ideas in a book.

I'm starting to understand Bessler's discouragement.

Norman

Offline memoryman

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Re: Permanent magnet OU machine working today
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2015, 05:20:10 PM »
Bessler obscured the secrets of his wheel in many drawings and behind
a piece of cloth but I have revealed the mechanism in an annimation
that is the key to my device. However most folks would spend
more to see one Pennstate football game than to see a perpetual
motion machine. So maybe I could have made more money by selling
my obscured ideas in a book.

I'm starting to understand Bessler's discouragement.

Norman
consider the following:
an inventor is
a: required to show a working example of his invention, or
b: he is not.
in the case of a:, if the invention cannot be replicated using the patent (because he changed the info) then the patent may be voided because he lied in his patent application.
in the case of b:, there is no way of knowing whether the invention is workable since no working invention was shown.
Take your pick.