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tinman

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Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« on: August 17, 2014, 12:20:44 PM »
Well here is the start of my Inertia drive project-the RFDD engine.

The plan is to use elliptical orbits of mass(in this project,i call them satellites)to off set the reaction force associated with all actions-Reaction Force Diversion Drive (RFDD).

If successful,this will be the only video posted,until the test video's are presented. If un successful,you will see all the build progress video's along the way. The project is expected to take 3 to 4 day's,so the next video will be posted around that time.

The plan if successfull.
After i have run various test on the device,and found that it works as planed,it will be time to choose one other person to replicate the device,run and report on there test finding's. The chosen person will be given the full build video's and instructions. This person must have access to a metal lathe,and a healthy budget for the project(around $200.00 for parts).

The plan if unsuccessful.
Dont do it this way again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGfDbmn5qaw&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w


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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2014, 03:52:59 AM »
Just a video on the PWM build and tune for the RFDD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqmazCLQ9Lk&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2014, 05:17:27 AM »
That's aa nice looking little board.  What IC does it use?

tinman

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2014, 06:38:05 AM »
That's aa nice looking little board.  What IC does it use?
It uses the TL494 IC.
This is a sweet little unit,and having the variable frequency is very useful indeed.I have tried it with a couple of different motors now,and im quite supprised as to how much you can reduce the power draw just by changing the frequency of the pulses,while maintaining the same output torque on the motor.There is another thing i forgot to mention on the video,and that is you can remove the soft start just by removing a jumper plug. The frequency can also be made to go higher,simply by replacing one of the caps to a smaller value,or one of the resistors to a lower value. Maybe later on i will just replace that resistor with a V/R.Bellow is the circuit.

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2014, 08:34:47 AM »
That looks like a decent design for a low side switch driver.

tinman

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2014, 03:08:04 PM »
A question for you all.

Most(if not all) here,will be of the opinion that an inertia drive that provides a uni directional thrust or force in one direction(or most there of),is not achievable-it would break the law of the conservation of energy.But could it just be a case that the law has been misunderstood.

So my question is this--> Who here can accurately explain this law
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.\
Give an example for each
1-What is the action?
2-What is the equal reaction?
3-what is the opposite reaction?

I want you to think very carefully about Q3.

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2014, 04:09:44 PM »
A question for you all.

Most(if not all) here,will be of the opinion that an inertia drive that provides a uni directional thrust or force in one direction(or most there of),is not achievable-it would break the law of the conservation of energy.But could it just be a case that the law has been misunderstood.

So my question is this--> Who here can accurately explain this law
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.\
Give an example for each
1-What is the action?
Force is reciprocal:  Sit on a chair that is on a solid surface.  Your weight is the action applied to the chair.
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2-What is the equal reaction?
The chair applies an equal force against your weight.
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3-what is the opposite reaction?
The force that the chair exerts upward against your weight.  Your weight is a force that points towards the center of the earth, the chair's supporting force points identically away from the center of the earth:  Equal and opposite.
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I want you to think very carefully about Q3.
There is only one reaction in Newton's Third Law, and it is equal and opposite to the action.  2) and 3) are asking about the same thing.

tinman

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2014, 05:53:14 PM »
There is only one reaction in Newton's Third Law, and it is equal and opposite to the action.  2) and 3) are asking about the same thing.
Mark
I dont believe that 2 and 3 are the same-asking the same thing.
I agree that the force or pressure is equal and/or opposite,but the direction of that force or pressure(or part there of) dose not have to be opposite.
I believe that opposite in this case means only an equal amount of apposing force or pressure-but not necessarily in the opposite direction.

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2014, 06:53:55 AM »
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Well here is the start of my Inertia drive project-the RFDD engine.

The plan is to use elliptical orbits of mass(in this project,i call them satellites)to off set the reaction force associated with all actions-Reaction Force Diversion Drive (RFDD).


A US patent was issued some years ago claiming to provide unidirectional inertial thrust employing a unique elliptical path for its counter-rotating weights. Sorry, remember no more details at all and the notebook containing the copy of the patent is buried under so much other junk it would a real excavation to dig it up.

Have you done a patent search?



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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2014, 07:02:16 AM »
Mark
I dont believe that 2 and 3 are the same-asking the same thing.
I agree that the force or pressure is equal and/or opposite,but the direction of that force or pressure(or part there of) dose not have to be opposite.
I believe that opposite in this case means only an equal amount of apposing force or pressure-but not necessarily in the opposite direction.

But....Newton's equal and opposing reaction is expected to have a force component which has a unit vector exactly antiparallel the original action force unit vector, with the two magnitudes being exactly equal.


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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2014, 07:13:14 AM »

A US patent was issued some years ago claiming to provide unidirectional inertial thrust employing a unique elliptical path for its counter-rotating weights. Sorry, remember no more details at all and the notebook containing the copy of the patent is buried under so much other junk it would a real excavation to dig it up.

Have you done a patent search?



CANGAS 63
Yes i did have a look at a few designs,but they wernt the same. The challenge is to reduce the orbit of the weights(i refer to them as sattellites)to give us our elliptical orbit's,without there being an equal /opposite force applied to the rotating mass.This is where force diversion comes into play.We need only divert a small amount of force to create an imballance within the system.The more force we can divert,the more unidirectional force we achieve. Yes-we are trying to do what is said to be not possable,but everyone here is trying to do that-unfortunately,so far no luck. But we keep trying non the less.

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2014, 07:27:22 AM »
But....Newton's equal and opposing reaction is expected to have a force component which has a unit vector exactly antiparallel the original action force unit vector, with the two magnitudes being exactly equal.


CANGAS 64
I should try and word thing's a little more in detail.I would agree that the reaction force is equal to the force of the action,but will the reaction cause a mass to travel in the opposite direction to that of the action force that created that reaction.

I guess im more trying to say that the direction of travel of a mass that has had a force applied to it,isnt always in an opposite direction to the moving mass that applied that force.

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2014, 07:28:41 AM »

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2014, 07:32:28 AM »
The machining looks nicely done.

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2014, 11:15:25 PM »
I should try and word thing's a little more in detail.I would agree that the reaction force is equal to the force of the action,but will the reaction cause a mass to travel in the opposite direction to that of the action force that created that reaction.

I guess im more trying to say that the direction of travel of a mass that has had a force applied to it,isnt always in an opposite direction to the moving mass that applied that force.

I think its important to note that reaction force acts normally to the surface
where action is applied.