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Author Topic: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.  (Read 74814 times)

tinman

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2014, 01:27:07 PM »
What is the ultimate goal is this ?

Using my yatsenyuk voice, "this is very dangerous".
To show a simple example of a reaction force producing a force that is the same as the force/action that created it-not opposite to.

MarkE

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2014, 03:09:05 PM »
Mark,this is not what is happening. If we use your theory,then reversing the direction of rotation of both the motor,and then of course the pully's and weights would also reverse direction,we should see an opposite deflection of the pointer.After the video,the reverse test was carried out. Very simple of course,we just swap the polarity of the motor around,then the whole rotating masses change direction of spin. This gave the very same result,and same deflection of the pointer.

Soon i will be performing another test,and scale's will be placed between the cables and device,so as we can see if we get a weight gain in one direction of spin,and a weight loss in the other.
But first there is a little some thing else i would like to show,and that is how it is possable to get a reaction force to produce a force in the same direction of the force that created the reaction force in the first place.
That might be interesting to watch on video.  Howeve, down to cases, in order to show that something exerts a force without a reaction force you really need to eliminate vehicles by which reaction force can be transmitted.  I have suggested a couple of means by which the reacting force/torque that can be transmitted can be reduced to very small values and/or the effects of residual force/torque can be reduced to small values.  You already have a result that conflicts with the Italian demonstration that of similar ilk.  I suggest that you should want to be able to show at least to yourself why your results appear different.

MarkE

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2014, 03:26:07 PM »
This is just a simple little example as to how a reaction force can be made to produce a force that is equal to and also in the same direction as the action/force that created it.If we look at the picture of the motor with a prop attached,we see two actions and reactions that take place. First we apply DC power to the motor,and the motor spins in one direction. Lets say that the first action is the shaft/prop turning,and the reaction is the motor housing wanting to rotate in the opposite direction-this is our equal and opposite forces. The second action/reaction is the face of the prop blades pushing against the air,and the air pushing against the blade faces. So the effect is that air is forced/pushed in one direction,and the motor and prop is pushed in the other. All is good,we have our equal and opposite reactions.

But what if i told you,through a series of mechanisms i could stop the reaction force on the motor housing,but maintain the action/force produced by the prop.[/quote/Then I would tel you that you are mistaken.[quote

Infact,what if we could double the output force in the way of air flow,and have non what so ever reaction force produced by the motor housing.Lets say the motor housing is attached to a torque meter,and that torque meter showed X amount of torque from the motor housing.This would of course be the same amount of torque being placed on the prop.What if we can double the output force of flowing air,but show a 0 reading on the torque meter. The result from this Reaction Force Diversion would be that the reaction force itself,is able to apply a force that is in the same direction as the force that created it.

The interesting challenge would be how you might attempt to prove such a thing as measuring the force on the air is typically done by measuring the reaction torque.  If the reaction torque doesn't match the air then Houston we have a problem. I am interested in the test set-up that you would propose.
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This is nothing new,and it is used today in some machines. But most just pass it on by,and take no notice of what actually has/is taking place-both an action and reaction force producing a force that is equal but not opposite.
I am all ears.
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I would expect Mark,and some others to work this out,and know what the hell im talking about.

tinman

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2014, 03:38:39 PM »
That might be interesting to watch on video.  Howeve, down to cases, in order to show that something exerts a force without a reaction force you really need to eliminate vehicles by which reaction force can be transmitted.  I have suggested a couple of means by which the reacting force/torque that can be transmitted can be reduced to very small values and/or the effects of residual force/torque can be reduced to small values.  You already have a result that conflicts with the Italian demonstration that of similar ilk.  I suggest that you should want to be able to show at least to yourself why your results appear different.
mark-could you post the link to this italian test,as i must have missed it some where???.

tinman

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2014, 03:40:55 PM »
The interesting challenge would be how you might attempt to prove such a thing as measuring the force on the air is typically done by measuring the reaction torque.  If the reaction torque doesn't match the air then Houston we have a problem. I am interested in the test set-up that you would propose.  I am all ears.
Well maybe we could call it an action/reaction paradox? lol.
I will get all the gear together i need,and start making the jig.Im sure when you see it,you will be able to think of one machine that uses this principle straight away.

MarkE

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2014, 04:56:52 PM »
I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

ARMCORTEX

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2014, 07:47:36 PM »
I never heard that these were torque amplifiers, so when/if you get some air what benefit does that bring.

So unless you wanna go full fledge UFO with petrol generator in the middle I fail to see the point of this activity.

Very stupid idea.

MarkE

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2014, 09:31:20 PM »
I never heard that these were torque amplifiers, so when/if you get some air what benefit does that bring.

So unless you wanna go full fledge UFO with petrol generator in the middle I fail to see the point of this activity.

Very stupid idea.
A reactionless drive that actually works would be a remarkable thing.

ARMCORTEX

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2014, 09:42:20 PM »
hmm, I guess you are right, what was I thinking.

Do continue worldly discoveries Tinman.

Open a bar where people have their beers floated to them.

telecom

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2014, 09:45:45 PM »
Here is a similar concept, a brilliant experiment.

tinman

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #55 on: August 27, 2014, 04:57:18 PM »
Here is a similar concept, a brilliant experiment.
Very nice indeed-hard to refute that one. Interesting to see that it work's on the very same principle as my setup. Increase the speed of mass(in his case,water)to the halfway point of the circumference,then decrease the speed of mass on the other half.
Infact,that would be a very easy setup to make and test. No need for all the wheels,just a set of scales to messure the pull force,and see if it is indeed continuous.Looks like i have a busy weekend ahead.

tinman

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #56 on: August 27, 2014, 04:59:48 PM »
A reactionless drive that actually works would be a remarkable thing.
I have many ideas as to how a reactionless drive may be made. Although most will work in a vacuum,im not sure about the absence of gravity

ACG

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2014, 05:46:13 PM »
Has anyone considered sound?  Most of the reactionless drives I seen over the years are noisy and produce a small displacement distance.  I wonder if same said constructions were made to be nearly silent by design or added a sound absorber around them would their displacement be reduce proportionately to drop in decibels.

I remember David Cowlishaw experiments on gyroscopic inertia thrust(GIT).  What ever happened to him?

MarkE

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #58 on: August 27, 2014, 06:30:53 PM »
A lot of the devices that people have tried had large changes in the rate of acceleration: jerk.  That turns out to be pretty effective for stiction drives.  Tinman's rig is suspended, through long cables greatly reducing harmonics that can be transmitted to the supporting structure compared to something that rests on a surface.

tinman

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Re: Inertia Drive project. RFDD.
« Reply #59 on: August 28, 2014, 02:33:58 PM »
@MarkE (or anyone that know's)
I have a question for you regarding my (rough)sketch below.Now i could set up an experiment myself,but time and cash are short in supply,as i need what i have of both to build the next setup-demo.

If we have two jets of water coming from two nozzles,and we direct those jets into each other at right angles(say an inch from the nozzles),using just jet A as an example,will jet B cause jet nozzle A to be pushed in direction A or direction B,or will there be no force applied to the nozzle itself at all