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### Author Topic: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity  (Read 48984 times)

#### poynt99

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #90 on: August 20, 2014, 02:34:35 PM »
hi MarkE,

I have done that already for someone whom requested it earlier in this topic.
I have previously attached the image of watt meter with circuit.

The watt meter showed zero watt which i was not surprise due to it's limitation in handling very narrow spikes.

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Latest update -I have added 10000uf capacitor before fuse to remove spike so that we can see clearly how much current the circuit is really consuming.
Using 0.1 ohms resistor after inserting 10000uf capacitor i am finally able to see the current draw for this circuit.
85mV/0.1ohm =850mA (DC after circuit stabilized) at 6.6v input.

By adding even higher value capacitor i am still unable to get the watt meter to function.

This is it guys.This is the most accurate presentation of input current in dc i can produce
.

For this experiment i have attached the most important video which everyone was looking out for.

Estimate power in watt ignoring the really really tiny ripples=0.85Ax6.6volt=5.61watts.

5.6W input? I could buy that. Now an output power measurement is the next logical step. I estimate it is around 4W as per my last post.

Can you post the circuit files of this latest circuit? I have MS v11 and may try to run this sim myself. Thanks.

PS. may as well get rid of that frequency counter...it doesn't provide the correct frequency anyway.

#### MarkE

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #91 on: August 20, 2014, 02:47:30 PM »
hi MarkE,

I have done that already for someone whom requested it earlier in this topic.
I have previously attached the image of watt meter with circuit.

The watt meter showed zero watt which i was not surprise due to it's limitation in handling very narrow spikes.

--------------------------------------

Latest update -I have added 10000uf capacitor before fuse to remove spike so that we can see clearly how much current the circuit is really consuming.
Using 0.1 ohms resistor after inserting 10000uf capacitor i am finally able to see the current draw for this circuit.
85mV/0.1ohm =850mA (DC after circuit stabilized) at 6.6v input.

By adding even higher value capacitor i am still unable to get the watt meter to function.

This is it guys.This is the most accurate presentation of input current in dc i can produce
.

For this experiment i have attached the most important video which everyone was looking out for.

Estimate power in watt ignoring the really really tiny ripples=0.85Ax6.6volt=5.61watts.

The arrangement hat you have with the big ideal capacitor and resistor has a time constant of 1ms which is nicely much longer than your pulses and will give you an accurate input power reading after 5ms or so of run time.  You can build a similar power measuring set-up for the output by placing a 0V voltage source in series with the low side of the bulbs and inserting an E element AKA VCVS into the design  that measures the voltage across the bulbs.  You can then either use a second E element with an equation referencing the current of the 0V source multiplied by the first E element output voltage (put a 1 G Ohm resistor to ground from its output to keep Multisim happy) or add an H element:  CCVS and use a multiplier.  Take the resulting output and put it through a 1ms (160Hz) low pass filter and you will have your average power after a run that is at least 5ms.

#### magpwr

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #92 on: August 20, 2014, 03:03:50 PM »
5.6W input? I could buy that. Now an output power measurement is the next logical step. I estimate it is around 4W as per my last post.

Can you post the circuit files of this latest circuit? I have MS v11 and may try to run this sim myself. Thanks.

PS. may as well get rid of that frequency counter...it doesn't provide the correct frequency anyway.

hi poynt99,

http://www.filedropper.com/longitudinal

I hope you can present better to MarkE and us.Thanks.

I have previously tried all the imaginable approach and failed to extract dc power in multisim.

My future plans in actual project would be replacing the 1mH at the output to few turns of a transformer which via L/C meter to get 1mH.Untested and verified. Too bad there isn't suitable transformer for this job in multisim.The secondary output of that transformer would then be transformed to dc eventually.If anyone understand what i'm talking about.
The only best way i know of.

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Another long shot approach is to tweak capacitor to lower value to run at high frequency to power Telsa transmitter at it's resonant frequency and grounded of course.

The  receiver telsa coil will be tuned to received this power wireless and grounded.I hope someone understand what i'm talking about.

#### poynt99

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #93 on: August 20, 2014, 03:36:53 PM »
Can you try the upload again please. I get an error when trying to extract the file.

#### MarkE

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #94 on: August 20, 2014, 03:41:53 PM »
hi poynt99,

Please extract pdf from zip to a directory.
Then open windows cmd dos box.Then navigate to the directory where file is saved.
Then copy and paste this-   ren *.pdf  *.ms11   (This is to rename the file extension to .ms11 from .pdf)

I hope you can present better to MarkE and us.Thanks.

I have previously tried all the imaginable approach and failed to extract dc power in multisim.

My future plans in actual project would be replacing the 1mH at the output to few turns of a transformer which via L/C meter to get 1mH.Untested and verified. Too bad there isn't suitable transformer for this job in multisim.The secondary output of that transformer would then be transformed to dc eventually.If anyone understand what i'm talking about.
The only best way i know of.

----------------

Another long shot approach is to tweak capacitor to lower value to run at high frequency to power Telsa transmitter at it's resonant frequency and grounded of course.

The  receiver telsa coil will be tuned to received this power wireless and grounded.I hope someone understand what i'm talking about.
You can build any transformer you want in SPICE.  The most basic nearly ideal transformer is just two inductors coupled with a K element.  The inductance of the primary inductor of an N:1 transformer is N2 times the value of the secondary inductor.  You can of course add the winding resistances to and set the coupling factor, and add other parasitics to refine your model.

The zip file doesn't work for me either.

#### magpwr

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #95 on: August 20, 2014, 03:47:54 PM »
hi poynt99 and MarkE,

MS11 file uploaded and no renaming needed.I have tested this one and it's able to run multisim from zip
http://www.filedropper.com/longitudinal

#### MarkE

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #96 on: August 20, 2014, 03:57:07 PM »

#### poynt99

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #97 on: August 20, 2014, 04:06:20 PM »
hi poynt99 and MarkE,

I have replaced the attachment in that comment.I'm using 7-zip this time.

Sorry didn't work.The forum is able to detect the non pdf string maybe.

I have uploaded to 3rd party site.I don't think this link will last forever.

http://www.filedropper.com/longitudinalwave
It still doesn't extract.

Here is the file unzipped.

#### magpwr

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #98 on: August 20, 2014, 04:14:34 PM »
It still doesn't extract.

Here is the file unzipped.

hi poynt99 and MarkE,

MS11 file uploaded and no renaming needed.I have tested this one and it's able to run multisim from zip
http://www.filedropper.com/longitudinal

Please do change 75 ohms to 22 ohms or 47ohms to optimize switching.

#### poynt99

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #99 on: August 20, 2014, 04:27:34 PM »

hi poynt99 and MarkE,

MS11 file uploaded and no renaming needed.I have tested this one and it's able to run multisim from zip
http://www.filedropper.com/longitudinal

Actually, the pdf file I uploaded runs fine once you change the extension to .ms11.

#### magpwr

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #100 on: August 20, 2014, 04:40:26 PM »
Actually, the pdf file I uploaded runs fine once you change the extension to .ms11.

hi,

Do not forget to play around with duty cycle.Lower than 3% you get better output but little higher current draw.

#### poynt99

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #101 on: August 20, 2014, 05:14:51 PM »
Well the news is not good my friend.

5.6W input, 2.2W output (yep the wattmeter works).

Attached is my cleaned up circuit file with the wattmeter, the screenshot, and SPICE netlist for anyone to run in a different engine.

#### MarkE

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #102 on: August 20, 2014, 05:28:51 PM »
As I am sure that you have noticed the Watt meter is hooked up backwards for positive convention load power.  That only reverses the sign.

#### magpwr

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #103 on: August 20, 2014, 05:31:11 PM »
Well the news is not good my friend.

5.6W input, 2.2W output (yep the wattmeter works).

Attached is my cleaned up circuit file with the wattmeter, the screenshot, and SPICE netlist for anyone to run in a different engine.

hi poynt99,

Can you try connecting a 0.1 ohms resistor to bulb and manually measure power.OR connecting to 1ohms resistor instead of bulb.

I never trust watt meter for spikes.The power factor showing as 1 is even more strange.

What happen to those E-element which you talked about?

500watt Filaments getting destroyed after 180volts peak can't be explained easily.It surely produce more power to achieve this.Definitely can't happen with below 10watt as using the easy method-watt meter.

#### poynt99

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##### Re: Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity
« Reply #104 on: August 20, 2014, 05:40:07 PM »
I don't have time nor the inclination to do a manual measurement. I do trust the wattmeter, and it's in the ballpark of what I estimated.  It's also nowhere near 98W.

Regarding the power polarity, I know it is negative, but for me it is more important to have the drawing clean and clear to understand, especially for magpwr; his earlier attempt failed to produce any output on the wattmeter at all. It's the magnitude that is important in this case.