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### Author Topic: drawing energy from parallel realities  (Read 12382 times)

#### gauschor

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2014, 01:26:55 PM »
Ah, yes thanks. Thought I understood already, but now even better. Was hung up at the 18V for a while, but now I got it. The source C has 24V. It can either discharge to C1 or C2, but not both together. After it discharges, the source cap and one of the two discharge caps have 12V (in a circuit without random choice).

However when having 2 discharge caps, it requires a random choice. A choice between 2 future realities:
1) The reality where it discharges only to C1
2) The reality where it discharges only to C2

Each one of these caps would have 12V, but only one reality can come true. One of these two realities is inevitable. If one reality appears, the other ceases to exist. But both realities exist together at a point in a very short time frame. While the one reality comes true, the other reality must vanish - however - where should the energy (12V) go from the second reality? -> It is added onto the reality which comes true. Therefore the voltage (12V) from the ceasing parallel reality is split in half between the source cap and the discharge cap (each one gets additionally 6V).

So basically in the end, the source cap must have 18V and the C1 or C2 must have 18V. And this only works in a circuit where a "choice" is required.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2014, 05:04:11 PM by gauschor »

#### Void

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2014, 04:06:17 PM »
This experiment is not simple on/off , it is experiment with ZERO STATE where random choice was included.  In ordinary on/off switching where we have C source and C target, the total amount of charge will be the same before and after test. When we insert random choice we are creating parallel realities and both of them will happen, but we will remember just one. There is a transition period of time when we can detect(and draw) both of them. We have too draw energy from parallel  reality during this  period of time, otherwise it will gone.
It works like this :
Step 1  charging C-source from external source and discharging C1 and C2
step2  disconnecting C- source from external source
step 3 Discharging C-source  to randomly chosen  target capacitor C1 or C2.

It is very important. without random choice  extra charge will not appears.

I understood this difference Milan. I was just trying a quick test with my scope to see what
a 'normal' capacitor discharge from one capacitor to another of the same nominal value looks like,
as I wasn't sure if it was normal for there to be voltage increases over time due to small inductances in
the connecting wires or whatever. My test showed that even with using alligator clip leads that there were no
unexpected voltage increases detected. Again, I was just trying to see for myself what should happen in a
normal situation with this type of setup. It is nice to have a clear idea of what the normal 'baseline' is to compare to.

I still would like to know if in your test setup if the source capacitor is left connected to the
second capacitor throughout the 10 seconds or so that you are doing your voltage measurements?

Also, have you tried connecting a high sample rate scope to each capacitor to capture the voltage waveforms
in your test? The most likely possible cause of your higher than expected voltage measurements
would be issues with the devices you are using to measure the voltage. Connecting a scope with a
high sampling rate (for example I used a 100 MHz scope in my test in my previous reply) to both C1 and C2
and using one shot mode on the scope to capture the waveforms would be one way to double check the
voltage measurements being done by the microcontroller and whichever analog to digital converter you are using.
If the high sample rate scope also catches the higher than expected voltages in the captured waveforms in your
random test scenario, then that would be a good double check. You also have the advantage of being able to view the
voltage changes continuously over time on the capacitors during the measurement period.
All the best...

#### Void

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2014, 05:02:05 PM »
Here's a couple more scope shots of a 'normal' capacitor discharge test from a charged source capacitor to another
capacitor of the same nominal value. The first scope shot is with the time base set to 1 ms/div, and the
second scope shot is with the time base set to 50us/div. You can see there is some bounce happening in
there due to me connecting to the second capacitor by hand with an alligator clip, and also possibly due to the sparking as well.
All the best...

The yellow trace is the source capacitor.
The blue trace is the second capacitor which is being charged.

#### Marsing

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2014, 05:26:39 PM »

Hi all,

i think C value need to be measured first, it appear that C-source has bigger value than C1, try swap C-source as C1 and C1 as C-source and repeat the process, wait about 5 second, if still show 18 volt, then there must be anomaly to be investigated.

and about parallel realities, i don't understand

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#### Void

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2014, 05:31:46 PM »
Hi all,

i think C value need to be measured first, it appear that C-source has bigger value than C1, try swap C-source as C1 and C1 as C-source and repeat the process, wait about 5 second, if still show 18 volt, then there must be anomaly to be investigated.

and about parallel realities, i don't understand

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Hi Marsing. Milan stated in his video that he is swapping the capacitors around from test to test to take into account
small differences in capacitance values compared to the nominal values.
All the best...

#### Mancha

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2014, 06:05:49 PM »
to Void:
I have asked man from our team who made program for micro controller.
He told me that during 8440 nano seconds micro controller makes 10 measurements and gives out average value.
Beside that, let me remind you that we got very often charge gain with simple spark gap version which i described on video.
Also have been noticed strange effect that  sometimes we got sparks jumping across both spark gaps in the same time, but just one capacitor collected charge.
But we left this version, because  it was too slow and so violent discharge.
The violent discharge  is much better  to get this effect, but so difficult to measure properly, because time frame to do that is short.

If inductance will take place  here, when C1 or C2 will has 18V, then source capacitor will has 6V only, but this  has not been measured
On the end.... yeas we are ready to accept if we made some mistake in our approach and measurements.
All the best,
Milan

#### Mancha

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2014, 06:27:37 PM »
I forgot to say that next voltage reading after 10 s also shows gain in charge, which tell us two things
1. the voltage is reading is correct (easy to check with digital voltmeter)
2. the  time frame for detection parallel reality ( and consume this charge gain) is running out

In some of our test  we did not have charge gain after 10 seconds
The time frame depends of total energy movement, capacity, initial voltage etc. Like in other fileds of classic physics.
All The Best,
Milan

#### Mancha

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2014, 07:37:25 PM »
you can see my new video about very strange affect which I have noticed  in 2005.
http://youtu.be/GE5xUdoERtA
Here are short  footage which I was lucky to catch in 2011.
All the Best,
Milan

#### gotoluc

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2014, 08:19:19 PM »
Hello Milan,

thank you for presenting your experiments.

I was wondering what would happen to C1 test results if you replaced C2 with a 100 Ohm Resistor?... could you test this and report the results?

Thank you

Luc

#### Turbo

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2014, 08:58:18 PM »
For ' Parallel reality ' you have to use Antimatter.

Positrons.

#### Marsing

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2014, 06:31:31 AM »
Hi Marsing. Milan stated in his video that he is swapping the capacitors around from test to test to take into account
small differences in capacitance values compared to the nominal values.
All the best...

Hi all,

i didn't watch the video yet, and the steps described by milan are not so clear to me (step 2). so i assume it just charge/discharge between 2 caps.

when trying to decode the steps with condition all caps have same capacitance, i have :

Step 1  charging C-source from external source and discharging C1 and C2
--> charge C-source then discharge to C1, charge C-source discharge to C2, here C1 and C2 will have 12volt

step 2  disconnecting C- source from external source
--> after step 1 complete, C-source was still connected to PowerSpply and then disconnecting, means C-source has 24 Volt.

step 3  Discharging C-source  to randomly chosen  target capacitor C1 or C2.
-->  say C1 win, differences C1 and Cs -->  24v(Cs) - 12v(C1):= 12v, then divided by 2 (because we play with 2 caps):= 6v, finally lower voltage + 6v := 18 volt. or with simple way,   CS,C1 voltage :=  Cs + C1 / 2  = (24 + 12)/2 = 18 volt.
Say in other case C-source will be discarged to both C1 and C2 ( Cs,C1,C2 are in parallel), Cs+C1+C2 /3 = (24+ 12+12)/3 = 16v , final result CS, C1,C2 := 16 volt.

i see no free ticket, with this steps we will always get 18 volt.
but again, i did not yet watch video, so please someone explain step 2.
All the best too.
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#### Mancha

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2014, 10:34:45 AM »
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step 3  Discharging C-source  to randomly chosen  target capacitor C1 or C2.
-->  say C1 win, differences C1 and Cs -->  24v(Cs) - 12v(C1):= 12v, then divided by 2 (because we play with 2 caps):= 6v, finally lower voltage + 6v := 18 volt. or with simple way,   CS,C1 voltage :=  Cs + C1 / 2  = (24 + 12)/2 = 18 volt.
Say in other case C-source will be discarged to both C1 and C2 ( Cs,C1,C2 are in parallel), Cs+C1+C2 /3 = (24+ 12+12)/3 = 16v , final result CS, C1,C2 := 16 volt.

i see no free ticket, with this steps we will always get 18 volt.
but again, i did not yet watch video, so please someone explain step 2.

Hi Marsing,
you made complete wrong calculation.
Before  random discharging to C1 or C2  there  is Cs=24 V  and C1= 0 V ; C2 =0 V.
Let say C1 wins, then will be  Cs =12V ; C1 =12V  ; C2= 0 V
But we are getting Cs=18V ; C1=18V  ; C2= 0V
Cheers,
Milan
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#### Marsing

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2014, 12:24:10 PM »

Hi Marsing,
you made complete wrong calculation.
Before  random discharging to C1 or C2  there  is Cs=24 V  and C1= 0 V ; C2 =0 V.
Let say C1 wins, then will be  Cs =12V ; C1 =12V  ; C2= 0 V
But we are getting Cs=18V ; C1=18V  ; C2= 0V
Cheers,
Milan
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Hi Milan,

Like i said before, i didn't watch your vid, and the steps description are not so clear. So that was a calculation.
Explanation above is better and easy to understand what you want to express , and yes that is an anomaly.
what if with 3 or 4 C-target,  is the voltage after discharging still 18 volt or what?

All the best

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#### Mancha

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2014, 12:33:38 PM »

what if with 3 or 4 C-target,  is the voltage after discharging still 18 volt or what?

Hi Marsing,
I do not know the answer  yet. We are busy with other projects. We are R&D Lab funded from  outside  for some energy  research. But some of them  we are doing  alone  (this project is funded by me)

We did not make test yet, by logic  I beileve that we can draw 1/n charge from other realities where "n" is the number of created  realities. but it is not proven  with experiments yet.
All the Best,

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2014, 02:07:30 PM »
Let me see if I am understanding you, and can work through some example math.

Let us assume that all three capacitors are 1 Farad caps. This makes the example calculations easier but the results should hold true no matter the actual capacitances.

So we have Cs = Cr = 1 F, and Vcs init = 24 V and Vcr init = 0 V.

Computing energy, we have E(Cs init) = CV2/2 = 288 Joules. Then after discharging into Cr, we have both caps at 18 V so E(each cap) = CV2/2 = 162 Joules.

But only E(Cs init) - E(Cs final) = 126 Joules have been removed from Cs. Yet apparently 162 Joules have been added to Cr.

Right so far? Please check my work and let me know if I've made any errors so that I can correct them (and my understanding) right away.

However.... the "unaccounted for" difference of 36 Joules is a bit over 20 percent of the total measured value on each cap, or 10 percent of the total on both caps,  after the discharge. Yet most ordinary electrolytic capactors have 20 percent tolerance in their nominal values. IOW it would only take a relatively small difference between the _actual capacitances_ and the nominal capacitances of the caps involved, to account for the entire discrepancy in the measurements of energy on the capacitors. A difference that is small enough to be within the tolerances of ordinary electrolytic capacitors.

So I think one thing that is definitely needed is an accurate, separate, determination of the exact capacitance values of the caps used in the experiment. Then the experiment should be repeated a dozen times, with accurate recording of the start and finish voltages, then some statistical tests can be applied to the data to see what is _really_ going on. But first and foremost we need to be using _exact_ actual capacitor values, not the nominal label values, in the energy calculations.

"We did not make test yet, by logic  I beileve that we can draw 1/n charge from other realities where "n" is the number of created  realities. but it is not proven  with experiments yet."

By logic... you have no data that should cause you to believe anything at all about "other created realities", and proper experiments cannot "prove" but only disprove hypotheses.