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Offline Mancha

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drawing energy from parallel realities
« on: August 13, 2014, 12:23:15 PM »
Hi,
 My name is Milan Mancic,
I am working in new energy research over 15 years. Here are my recent "drawing energy from parallel realities"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfLlAApIkys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLmCnAa1_Ks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwRoWt6eGJU

All the Best,
Milan
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2014, 02:13:12 PM »
Well... you got one thing right. As you say in the first video... this has nothing to do with Tesla. So one wonders... why do you call it "Tesla Physics" ?

There have been many threads here discussing energy transfer in capacitors, parallel charging series discharging and and the other way around. None of them seem to have mentioned alternate or parallel realities though. SO maybe you've got something new.

What phenomena can you demonstrate that are predicted and explained by your Tesla Physics theory that are not handled as well or better by ordinary "Non Tesla Physics" whatever that might be?
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Offline FatBird

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Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2014, 02:18:05 PM »
So Pathetically SAD.  47 MINUTES of videos and

1.  No evidence of overunity.
2.  No circuit demonstrated.
3.  No voltage readings.
4.  No Schematics.
5.  No bulbs lit.

What a very sad waste of time.
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Offline Mancha

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Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2014, 03:48:12 PM »
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 13, 2014, 02:13:12 PM
Well... you got one thing right. As you say in the first video... this has nothing to do with Tesla. So one wonders... why do you call it "Tesla Physics" ?

The following text was translated by google
 Well, as I said  the people  close to me, or  I am close to them use this term for new and  different approach in energy research
In the next following videos on my youtube channel I will describe strange effects which have been noticed in our lab. Some of them are repeatable, some of them are not. I have no problem to give diagram or more details if someone will ask it from me.

There have been many threads here discussing energy transfer in capacitors, parallel charging series discharging and and the other way around. None of them seem to have mentioned alternate or parallel realities though. SO maybe you've got something new.

I like the threads which you mentioned, but they are old ideas without positive results.

What phenomena can you demonstrate that are predicted and explained by your Tesla Physics theory that are not handled as well or better by ordinary "Non Tesla Physics" whatever that might be?

I already demonstrated it in second video with voltage readings and explanation. The plan was to find experimental proof about existence  of period of time where both (or more) realities can be detectable . Maybe it lose a bit (or lot) by translation, or maybe it needs to hear few times more  OR maybe it is wasting of time like FatBird said. It depends on you
Thanks, Milan
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Offline MasterPlaster

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Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2014, 07:11:24 PM »
Milan, I am looking forward to your subsequent posts. Thank you.
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Offline madddann

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Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2014, 11:04:48 PM »
Hello Milan!

I just want to say, that when you work with capacitors you have to calculate the energy stored in them to see what you actually have.

If I see correct, in your second video you have in the source capacitor 24.156V (291.756m Joules), in the second capacitor 18.003V (162.054m Joules) and in the third capacitor 15.393V (118.472m Joules).
The sum of the energy in the second and third capacitor is 280.526m Joules which is lower that the initial energy in the source capacitor 291.756m Joules.

So there Is no overunity or free energy in this setup as I see it.


Once I saw a similar circuit on Youtube and replicated it, but only after I figured out that you have to look at the stored energy in the capacitors and not the voltage, I saw that there was no gain in that circuit.

Sorry but no free lunch today, but keep up the out of the box thinking and good luck to you sir!
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Offline gauschor

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Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2014, 11:33:32 PM »
Thx for the interesting video and theory about the uncertainty state, Mancha.
Thx for the explanation, madddman.
Now I can go back to sleep.
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Offline Void

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Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2014, 01:29:11 AM »
Hi Milan. This is very interesting. Yes, as was pointed out by madddann, you appear to have overlooked that the
relationship between energy on a capacitor and the corresponding voltage on the same capacitor is not a linear relationship.
To properly compare how energy is transferring on the capacitors, you should compare with Joules.

In your second video, this is how the energy transferred (assuming that the cap values are close to 1000 uF each):
I may have got some of the digits wrong as I was having a hard time seeing the difference between 0 and 8 on your
computer screen. I hope I didn't make a calculation error below.


Starting state at 22:08:45:
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Cs = 24.156V = 291.756 mJ
C1 = 0.037V =  684.5 nJ
Total energy on the two capacitors = 291.756 mJ + 684.5 nJ = 292.441 mJ


At the first measured transition state at 22:08:46: 
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Cs = 18.083V = 163.497 mJ
Energy drop is 291.756 mJ - 163.497 mJ = 128.259 mJ drop

C1 = 18.032V = 162.577 mJ
Energy gain is 162.577 mJ - 684.5 nJ = 161.893 mJ gain
Total energy on the two capacitors = 163.497 mJ + 162.577 mJ = 326.074 mJ (an apparent total energy gain)
This discrepancy in energy drop and energy gain is very interesting if it is not due to a time delay
in microcontroller measuring and processing of voltage measurements for Cs and C1.


At the second measured transition state at 22:08:56:
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Cs = 15.393V = 118.472 mJ
C1 = 15.366 = 118.057 mJ
Total energy on the two capacitors = 118.472 mJ + 118.057 mJ = 236.529 mJ


Even when results are compared using energy stored on the capacitors,
it is still potentially very interesting results. Just to make sure I understand correctly,
how long are the source capacitor and C1 (or C2) left connected together as you are taking
these voltage measurements?

P.S. Have you tried putting an oscilloscope in single shot mode and capturing
the voltages on the two caps at the same time you are measuring the voltages with your microcontroller?
It would be nice if you could confirm those voltage measurements with a half decent quality scope.
See my example below.

All the best...

« Last Edit: August 14, 2014, 06:52:31 AM by Void »
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Offline madddann

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Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2014, 03:52:13 AM »
OK, I just noticed that I've taken the wrong numbers for the calculation, looks like I've not paid enough attention at the computer screen... sorry everyone.

Looks like Void have done it right. THX Void!

Now it just got interesting!  :)
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Offline Void

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Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2014, 05:53:23 AM »
I just tried a quick test with two 1000 uF nominal value electrolytic caps,
with the source cap charged to approx. 24VDC, and the second cap discharged to 0 VDC.
I used my scope in 'single shot' mode to capture the waveforms on both caps
when I connected the source cap in parallel to the second cap. Interesting result. Even though
I was using alligator clip leads, the voltage on both caps pretty much instantly goes to 12VDC
as soon as the charged source cap is connected to it, and both caps stay perfectly at 12VDC for
several seconds after.

Maybe someone can help explain this, as this is a bit of a head scratcher for me.
24 VDC on a 1000 uF cap = 288 mJ of stored energy.
After the discharge into the second 1000uF cap, (both caps are left connected) both caps are now pretty
much immediately exactly at 12 VDC (according to my scope).
12 VDC on a 1000 uF cap = 72 mJ of stored energy.
I tried this test several times, and each time I do the discharge test each cap immediately jumps to pretty close to 12 VDC.
72 mJ x 2 = 144 mJ of energy remaining on the caps in total, but I started with 288 mJ of stored energy on the source cap. 
Each time I do this test the total energy is pretty much instantly cut to one half of the original energy
stored in the source cap; i.e., the source cap was holding 288 mJ of energy, and then with a sudden
discharge to the second cap, both caps are instantly forced to holding only 72 mJ of energy each for a total of 144 mJ of stored energy.
It would appear by my calculations here that pretty much one half the energy on the source cap immediately vanishes
when I do a sudden discharge to the second cap. Am I missing something that should be obvious here?  ???

All the best...

Yellow trace is the source cap.
Blue trace is the second cap that is being charged by the source cap.

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2014, 06:06:34 AM »
Missing something obvious? No, you are simply confirming a well-known fact of capacitor charging-discharging. Many people before you have done the same experiment and obtained the same result: you lose half the energy in unrecoverable losses. But many people will do the same experiment in the future, too, hoping to get a different result.

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Offline Void

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Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2014, 06:38:12 AM »
Quote from: TinselKoala on August 14, 2014, 06:06:34 AM
Missing something obvious? No, you are simply confirming a well-known fact of capacitor charging-discharging. Many people before you have done the same experiment and obtained the same result: you lose half the energy in unrecoverable losses. But many people will do the same experiment in the future, too, hoping to get a different result.

Ok, thanks. Just making sure I am was not overlooking something.
Thinking it through further, it is a redistribution of the charge. The stored energy ends up being one half
of the original stored energy. I still find this odd.  ;)
All the best...


« Last Edit: August 14, 2014, 03:45:38 PM by Void »
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Offline Mancha

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Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2014, 09:14:22 AM »
Hi all,
I said clear that there is a gain in charge, not in energy.
It is not simple charging discharging like someone said. As many of you knows that with two the same capacitor  where one is source, another is target there will be 1/2 voltage in both capacitor than it was initial voltage in source capacitor. Which means if initial voltage was 24 V, on the end of charging/discharging process will be 12 V in both of them as you know, but we got 18 V without using inductors, diodes etc. no nothing, just "simple" on/off switch. From where 12 V (18 x2=36) difference came ?
I did not get this result without plan. I created this experiment to prove theory of parallel realities.
This experiment is not simple on/off , it is experiment with ZERO STATE where random choice was included.  In ordinary on/off switching where we have C source and C target, the total amount of charge will be the same before and after test. When we insert random choice we are creating parallel realities and both of them will happen, but we will remember just one. There is a transition period of time when we can detect(and draw) both of them. We have too draw energy from parallel  reality during this  period of time, otherwise it will gone.
It works like this :
Step 1  charging C-source from external source and discharging C1 and C2
step2  disconnecting C- source from external source
step 3 Discharging C-source  to randomly chosen  target capacitor C1 or C2.

It is very important. without random choice  extra charge will not appears.
It works in every aspect or our life, not only with capacitors. It works in everyday situation.
There are not only 3 capacitors and micro controller , there is observer playing  his role too.
Observer could be  simple observer, but observer could me initiator and creator of this test too.

This test can be done on different way with two capacitors only or with other  devices.

thanks that you spend your time with this.
Milan

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Offline gauschor

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Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2014, 10:18:21 AM »
You really got me with the "parallel realities" thing :D

Wouldn't it deliver even more charge when having multiple caps? Say 8 caps, and then it would create 8 parallel realities, therefore afterwards the sum of all 8 charged caps must be even higher. Or does it only work while between a maximum of 2 choices?

The more I think about it the more interesting it gets. Especially since you are saying that it happens in real-life choices as well. I recall that when I have to decide how to go on in life between path A and B - and I am not certain which is the better one - it can really heat up my mind, or even make my face glow, if remaining longer in this state. You could also say, that at this point double the amount of charge is used by the brain. The same happens when you are under pressure to buy 1 out of 2 similar products. The longer you are in indecisive state, the more it makes your mind spin around, heats up the mind. It therefore seems correct, that at the indecisive state a larger portion of energy is active. Actually that could be a reason why shopping makes tired.
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Offline Mancha

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Re: drawing energy from parallel realities
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2014, 11:23:24 AM »
 To Gauschor:

It is unknown to me in this moment. I am working on it.
By theory there will be 8 parallel realities where we will remember just one. How much we could draw  from other 7 to existing one ?  there are few possible answers .
Let is back to splitting realities in two to try to find conclusion.
Sorurce capacitor is charged to 24 V. target capacitors C1 and C2 are not charged.
So we have binary state ONE, now  next what is needed is  binary state ZERO which means  random choice to charge C1 or to C2. This period of time is STATE ZERO until we do not know which one will be charged. This period of time  is the time for action because we have access for two realities for awhile. If we draw all charge from reality which appears  , then it reality can not happen. It tell us that we can not  take all charge from parallel reality or many of them  (depends of how many we are producing). So something  must stay there and make it to happen as well.
there was logic that we could draw from parallel reality only 1/2 of its charge. By this logic results which I saw in my video that 24V source capacitor divided in two  12 +6=18V
We could speculate that 12V is form reality which we existing now and half of it is from another reality which is  existing beside us , but we have no connection  anymore.
In that way it means that we could draw from 8 parallel realities  1/8 from each of them.
But, but, but.. there was  test results where we detected more than 18V on the end of test.
So everything is still open.
Another question appears here.
As we know that from 24V to 12 in each means that 1/2 of energy was  radiated through the wire or resistor, another is collected  and stays in capacitors.
The test which we conducted did not show how much energy is radiated.

Let ask the simple question.
We have moving body where X amount of energy move it. With some reason this reality is split in two. We  remember just one and we can measure that the same amount of energy moves this body. So no extra energy can be  detected. But from where is energy which moves the same moving body in parallel reality next to us ?

STATE ZERO  produces parallel realities , but inside of it is time frame for action , because it si the link between parallel realities. After STATE ZERO is STATE ONE where is no link with parallel realities.
I hope it could help to understand this better.
All the Best,
Milan



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