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Author Topic: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference  (Read 62978 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2014, 08:47:30 PM »
You cannot use one of those infrared temperature meters to read with any degree of accuracy when the emissivity of the surfaces or distance is different. Often you will get  a difference between two readings when measuring the same surface / same distance.

Matched Thin film Platinum 100 Ohm resistance film sensors used in a differential bridge circuit would be a better choice when trying to differentiate one degree or less.

Also the cores will take quite some time to heat up as the loss is in the copper wire, which is not efficiently  coupled to the cores thermally. At this low frequency (3200Hz) with metglass, core loss / core heating  is hardly an issue.

Furthermore, digital temperature sensor systems often respond erratically when there are "frequencies" being emitted by the DUT.

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Offline steeltpu

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2014, 09:04:27 PM »
trolls seen squiming in their chairs and overheard saying: there is always some little detail we can find to turn a mole hill into a mountain.   if not we'll make something up that sounds believable.

one year into the future.  tk caught in a photo riding the jetson scooter down his street while still denying this is a valid device.

 :P

Offline mscoffman

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2014, 09:06:12 PM »
One  could always try it.  ;)

I was thinking how easy it would be to try to make an SFT.
Then one could see if it has any anomolous gain at 50/60hz frequency.

Then one could build a box chain;

(1) -> (2) -> (3) -> (4) -> (5) -> (6) -> (7)

(1) 12vdc rechargable (acid lead) battery
(2) double throw double pole knife switch for self looping
(3) 25Watt cheapy cigarette lighter inverter 12VDC -> 120/240 50/60hz.
(4) step down transfomer 120/240VAC =>  12VAC 50/60hz & plug from RS
(5) 50/60hz SFT Split Flux Transformer see below
(6) diode bridge rectifier
(7) 12VDC incandescent parking lamp, dummy load

misc 1000Uf 25WVDC or more electrolytic cap., 560 ohm resistor, LED

Goal: to see if you can get the current into the inverter @12VDC less
then that going into the  bulb @12VDC and if voltage is ~12VDC =>  get rid of the bulb
and run wires back to the switch for self-run test. nKuf Cap across switch.
You may have to try several different inverters to get an efficient one,
small inverters are very inexpensive these days. 

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Build a symetric SFT - Experimental Split Flux Transformer

(1) Get three spools of 24guage project wire from Radio Shack
(2) obtain both ends of the wire from spools
(3) punch some holes in the plastic spools
(4) glue and wire leads on all three coils
(5) Get three large diameter muffler hanger ferrous U-bolts with hardware from auto-supply store.
(6) Put one leg of 2 U-bolts through each coil center hole.
(7) Put on header brackets and screw down nuts,  not too tight.
[8] Mark primary and sec1,  sec2 coils
[9] Connect series sec1, sec2 considering coil phase.
[10] Done - this needs to work at Low VAC 50/60hz.

See if it will work.

:S:MarkSCoffman
 

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2014, 09:06:12 PM »
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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2014, 10:58:35 PM »
Anyone buy the Jetson bike yet?  Steeltpu?

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2014, 01:46:01 AM »
We have the most earth-shattering event in the history of the world - and the first deployment of this technology will be a small "don't ask to see the BOM" motorized bicycle!

Q:  Why not build a trial 10 megawatt free energy electrical generating station instead?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Offline MarkE

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2014, 03:28:41 AM »
You cannot use one of those infrared temperature meters to read with any degree of accuracy when the emissivity of the surfaces or distance is different. Often you will get  a difference between two readings when measuring the same surface / same distance.

Matched Thin film Platinum 100 Ohm resistance film sensors used in a differential bridge circuit would be a better choice when trying to differentiate one degree or less.

Also the cores will take quite some time to heat up as the loss is in the copper wire, which is not efficiently  coupled to the cores thermally. At this low frequency (3200Hz) with metglass, core loss / core heating  is hardly an issue.
I agree that the emissivity differences make the IR measurements a joke.  I agree that a difference measurement using thermocouples, or preferably thermistors using well-shielded cables is the way to go.  Do that following TinselKoala's protocol:  Let an unpowered device come to equilibrium in a room with still air, or where the device is sheltered from air flow and record the bridge voltage.  Then set the device up to operate, give it plenty of time to reach equilibrium, and record the bridge voltage.  That will give a clear indication of which way the temperature goes relative to ambient when operating.

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2014, 03:32:32 AM »
I tried to understand and simulate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9Lxbkhz5G00
Getting the right K values without a set of measurements on each of the coils with the other two open and with each and both of the other coils shorted, could be a challenge.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2014, 04:23:30 AM »
trolls seen squiming in their chairs and overheard saying: there is always some little detail we can find to turn a mole hill into a mountain.   if not we'll make something up that sounds believable.

one year into the future.  tk caught in a photo riding the jetson scooter down his street while still denying this is a valid device.

 :P

The little detail that the power supply must be included in "input power" measurements?
The little detail that a self-charging battery charger/scooter system was supposed to be demonstrated... but was not? The little detail that claims are being made without the solid evidence that should be provided along with the claims? Yeah, those little details always seem to interfere with claimants giving solid proof of their claims, don't they.

Where is a graph of temperature vs. time of the "cooling off" transformer? You may recall that I provided dozens of such time-temperature graphs for anyone to look at, for free, during the LMM debunk, all of them fully documented with raw data presented for inspection, and I wasn't even making extraordinary claims.  But Alek comes along and just tells you that a current-carrying transformer cools off when operating, and you believe him, without seeing any data at all.

OK, fine. You buy me the scooter and I'll ride it around and let you know, with 100 percent fully preserved and inspectable raw data repeatable by anyone with the skill, whether or not it needs to have its batteries ever recharged by an external charger. If it doesn't need to be recharged during that year of operation, I'll buy it from you for twice what you paid for it and make a public apology to you and Alek and everyone else on YouTube.  But if it DOES need external recharging.... I get to keep it and you are out the purchase price, AND I'll be invoicing you for my standard consulting fee. What do you say? Let's put YOUR money to the test.

You see, the reason I put forth challenges like this is because I _know_ you won't accept them. Your own belief in the reality of Alek's claims is actually not that strong.

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2014, 04:23:30 AM »
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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2014, 04:35:39 AM »
What I saw in the video:

A conventional line transformer driven by an audio amplifier.
A "SFT" tranvformer that consists of:  A primary labelled as 3.07mH 1.4 Ohms, coupled to two secondary windings one labelled a: 120mH 19 Ohms and the other 122mH 15 Ohms.
A wirewound power resistor connected by patch leads to a circuit board.
An audio power amplifer connected to a function generator  where the audio amplifier drove the DUT

A measurement where the input was  ~10.75V rms @ 3200Hz, and the current ~1.466A rms, and where the oscilloscope reported a phase shift of ~78 degrees.  The output meter values were 11.39Vrms, and 0.459Arms.

The apparent input power:  15.8 VA.
The apparent (and assumed real) output power:  5.23VA and 5.23W

The real input power was calculated based on the oscilloscope's phase angle reading which varied from 74 to 81 degrees.  Bill Alek chose to use 78 degrees and got: 3.28W real.  But cosine values change proportionately very fast in this area.  The respective cosine values are:  74 deg 0.276, 78 deg .208, and 81 deg 0.156.  A small error in the phase angle measurement results in a large error in the calculated real power. 

Bill Alek later presents his demonstration of a measured phase angle greater than 90 degrees when the transformer secondary is shorted.  Under conventional thinking the resulting phase angle would approach but not exceed 90 degrees under such a condition.  Bill Alek's scope reports 102 degrees.  One way to interpret Bill Alek's data is to assume that conventional physics still holds and what Bill Alek has is a phase error that over reports phase shift by at least 12 degrees near 90 degrees.  If we apply that hypothesis to his unshorted measurement we get a phase angle of ~66 degrees, and a real input power of: 6.42W which results in a decidedly under unity device.  Another interpretation is that Bill Alek's reported phase shift is correct and modern physics has been overturned.  Given that the apparatus appears to be no more than a three winding transformer with lots of leakage inductance, there isn't anything extraordinary about the apparatus' construction that suggests extraordinary behaviors should result.

It is up to Bill Alek to show that his measurements are in fact valid, when it is almost certain that they are not.  The fact that he refers to pairs of loosely coupled single windings as bifilar, which they certainly are not, does not instill confidence in his mastery of the subject matter.  Neither does his inappropriate use of a IR thermometer, or failure to show null tests that establish the accuracy of his measurements, particularly phase-shift.

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2014, 05:06:28 AM »
Dead on Mark like usual.  I am surprised that I actually watched a clip that long.  I have lost a lot of the vigor to get into it these days so your comments are welcome.  If you want to be cynical, this was just a rehearsed pitch to a willing audience so he pulled it off quite well.  I was too lazy to see how much difference the variance in the phase angle would cause to the number crunching.

However, my instincts are still good.  Seeing that hunk of wire and ferrite you could just tell it was the same old story.

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2014, 11:58:08 AM »
 :-\ :-\

Nobody got all excited when I showed a _stable_ phase shift measurement of over 90 degrees. And I even did it in color, and you can read all my numbers, too.

 :P

But then... I don't have a Jetson scooter.

 :-[ :-[ :-[

Or even a cheezburger.

(Heck... I even have bigger lumps on the bottom than on the top.)


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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2014, 01:46:58 PM »
So according to Bill Alek which represents more free energy:  90.001 degrees phase shift, or 179.999 degrees phase shift? 

The microQEG is 90.8 degrees phase shift measured.  The input power according to Bill Alek's method: Is VIN_rms*IIN_rms*cos(theta).  Efficiency is POUT/PIN, so the smallest negative value of cos(theta) should be the most advantageous, right? 
cos(90.001deg) is -17.4E-6. 
cos(179.999deg) is -.9999999998.

cos(90.8deg) = -0.01396
cos(102deg) = -.2079  = -(cos(78deg))  is that a coincidence???

Is the microQEG not far more overunity-ish than the Auroratek SFT?

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2014, 04:49:27 PM »
I'd like to see uQEG to have 90 degrees phase shift while on load ;)  (without phase shifting loopstick measure thingy)  8)
Or with a shorted out closely coupled secondary coil.

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Re: Auroratek demonstration from Bill Alek at TeslaTech conference
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2014, 08:11:08 PM »
A large phase shift occurs when the reactance of a series branch is much larger than the resistance.  Bill Alek's SFT is a three winding transformer with lots of leakage inductance, IE he does not have a closely coupled primary and secondary.  Shorting the secondary of Bill Alek's transformer eliminates almost all of the resistance in the secondary circuit:  the secondary impedance under this condition looks almost completely reactive. 

As pointed out above, as phase shift approaches 90 degrees, small errors in phase shift result in large proportional errors in real power calculated with those errors.

 

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