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ltseung888

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #210 on: September 04, 2014, 10:59:48 PM »
Just added two slides to the "Water as Fuel" presentation.  The presentation was given to academics from Australia and China.  Aroused their interest.
The two new slides are reproduced here:
 
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MarkE

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #211 on: September 04, 2014, 11:34:05 PM »
If a substance has multiple energy states, those states may be useful towards certain ends such as storing and releasing energy in the transition between the states as is commonly utilized in the enthalpy of fusion and vaporization of water.  Energy is not created or destroyed but stored and released.

Assume for a moment that the form of a snowflake affects to some extent the internal energy of the structure.  This would mean that if we had control over the formation of snowflakes that we could manipulate the storage capacity.  Could that be useful?  It might if snowflakes: 1) are an efficient form of energy storage, and 2) their form affects their capacity, and 3) their form is easy to manipulate.  Since: 1) is false, it doesn't matter that 3) is unlikely, and 2) is unknown.

Did you ever get a reply back from the Indians about their measurements?
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sparks

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #212 on: September 06, 2014, 06:16:02 PM »
Quote from: ltseung888 on September 04, 2014, 10:59:48 PM
Just added two slides to the "Water as Fuel" presentation.  The presentation was given to academics from Australia and China.  Aroused their interest.
The two new slides are reproduced here:


    The 1s orbital of the hydrogen atom molecularly bound is not the same as when existing in elemental form. Hydrogen is in it's ground state only when it is monatomic.  This is why when molecular hydrogen is split there is a release of energy.  The electrons shared,  transition from a distorted orbital (or excited state)  to ground state.  This creates a photon of energy for each hydrogen atom that transitions. 1H2 -> H+H + E.  If this photon is absorbed by another monatomic hydrogen atom you get molecular hydrogen back.  In order for the transition to occur with release of excess energy the resonance of the hydrogen molecule has to be disrupted.  When you have oxygen nearby and a catalyzing spark the water molecule is formed.  The monatomic hydrogen atoms form covalent bonds with the oxygen atom.  The 1s orbital of the hydrogen bonded to oxygen is closer to ground state or less excited than when bound to another hydrogen atom.   This results with photon emission.  1H2+0->H2O+E
   This is why it takes energy to transition the bound hydrogen atom to form hydrogen gas.  If you could take the hydrogen off the oxygen and somehow keep it in the monatomic hydrogen form then you could get energy out of water. You have to fight electron affinity all the way. 
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Grumage

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #213 on: September 13, 2014, 10:07:20 PM »
Dear All.

Far from overunity !! :)

More like kilowatts to microwatts but a good run, non the less !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwjTDXR31KA

Now to perfect the electronics.  ;)

Cheers Grum.
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pavqw

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #214 on: October 21, 2014, 09:44:39 PM »
I am doing some research in this area and it seems I have found some interesting discoveries.
I've proved for myself that I can achieve better efficiency with short pulses and higher frequencies.
Also that AC voltage does not work nearly at all.
AC that is created with one switching transistor + transformer does not work nearly at all too. After adding diode it is like day and night.
For different transistor there are different frequencies to achieve the best results.
Faster transistors, better results (and higher current).
I am trying to stay around 10W and it seems I can create enough HHO to power tiny engine at real time with 2-plate cell and tap water.
I have not tested it with distilled water yet, but I can't wait to see result.

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MarkE

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #215 on: October 22, 2014, 04:53:57 AM »
Quote from: pavqw on October 21, 2014, 09:44:39 PM
I am doing some research in this area and it seems I have found some interesting discoveries.
I've proved for myself that I can achieve better efficiency with short pulses and higher frequencies.
Also that AC voltage does not work nearly at all.
AC that is created with one switching transistor + transformer does not work nearly at all too. After adding diode it is like day and night.
For different transistor there are different frequencies to achieve the best results.
Faster transistors, better results (and higher current).
I am trying to stay around 10W and it seems I can create enough HHO to power tiny engine at real time with 2-plate cell and tap water.
I have not tested it with distilled water yet, but I can't wait to see result.
Data?  How much mechanical power can your system deliver at its output from the 10W electrical you supply at its input?
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ingyenenergiagep

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #216 on: October 22, 2014, 11:12:52 AM »
What is the best frequency for hydrogen generation?

I use about 340kHz with NE555 and IRFP150. I didnt find overunity. The bubbles are smaller.
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MarkE

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #217 on: October 22, 2014, 11:37:24 AM »
Quote from: ingyenenergiagep on October 22, 2014, 11:12:52 AM
What is the best frequency for hydrogen generation?

I use about 340kHz with NE555 and IRFP150. I didnt find overunity. The bubbles are smaller.
340kHz is pushing an NE555 pretty hard.  You might want to use a TLC-555 instead.  Even Radio Shack sells them.  You might also want to add a boost driver between the 555 and your FET's gate so that you don't lose a lot of energy from the MOSFET turning on and off too slowly.  A PNP and NPN transistor pair will do: 2n2907a for the PNP / 2222A for the NPN or similar.  3906 and 3904's will work as well.  There are also lots of MOSFET driver ICs on the market. 

A lot of people have tried frequencies as low as 2kHz.   Les Banki claims to have good results.  You can look up his circuits.
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Paul-R

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #218 on: October 22, 2014, 05:20:59 PM »
Quote from: ingyenenergiagep on October 22, 2014, 11:12:52 AM
What is the best frequency for hydrogen generation?

John Worrell Keely used 42.8khz.
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ingyenenergiagep

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #219 on: October 22, 2014, 05:31:49 PM »
Thanks.

Audible sound freqs (under 17kHz) gives bigger bubbles (PWM about 50%), not milk-like small bubbles.
Positive Ni plate wears brown powder coat, negative plate wears black(on solution)/white(on dry) coat.

With closer plates (0,5-1mm) i saw high-temp rainbow-like colors on plates (maybe H and O reaction).
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ramset

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #220 on: October 23, 2014, 12:35:42 PM »
A reminder to anyone looking to replicate this effect [experiment] or the work of Les Banki.


replications are in the works.
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2578.msg42493;topicseen#msg42493

respectfully

Chet
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A comment to Mark E below


Of course !
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MarkE

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #221 on: October 23, 2014, 02:16:04 PM »
Quote from: ramset on October 23, 2014, 12:35:42 PM
A reminder to anyone looking to replicate this effect [experiment] or the work of Les Banki.


replications are in the works.
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2578.msg42493;topicseen#msg42493




respectfully


Chet
Data that can be verified is good.
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tinman

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #222 on: October 23, 2014, 03:03:49 PM »
Quote from: MarkE on October 23, 2014, 02:16:04 PM
Data that can be verified is good.
That will be comeing soon,just waiting for the nanopulse boards to turn up. Measureing device to measure MMW is done,and will measure down to the last mil of HHO gas.P/in will be measured between two 20 000uf high current cap's-->over kill i know,but it will remove any ripple that the circuit may produce across the input.Will be using both DMM's and scope with CSR to measure P/in.

Time to put this one to bed one way or the other.
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MarkE

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #223 on: October 23, 2014, 04:32:57 PM »
Quote from: tinman on October 23, 2014, 03:03:49 PM
That will be comeing soon,just waiting for the nanopulse boards to turn up. Measureing device to measure MMW is done,and will measure down to the last mil of HHO gas.P/in will be measured between two 20 000uf high current cap's-->over kill i know,but it will remove any ripple that the circuit may produce across the input.Will be using both DMM's and scope with CSR to measure P/in.

Time to put this one to bed one way or the other.
Good.
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pavqw

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #224 on: November 02, 2014, 11:21:40 PM »
Did anybody tried this: http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfcbooster/WFCbooster06en.htm ??
I will try it in few days, I have high hopes for that.
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