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Author Topic: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC  (Read 143709 times)

Offline Bttr2brnout

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That's a serious looking piece of electronics Massive. Think I will stick with my alternator (bridge ectifier removed) as my pulse generator. Maybe I will eventually graduate to something faster like a 555 timer and some reed relays.

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC


no one has questioned the figure 31

Les Banki recalculated the figure and thats all he did , its all there , it was never a claim of 8 times faraday , it was a recalculation = simple  .
no one bothered to read his documents before dumping on him

there should be 20 of these boards out there , given for FREE , to 20 people , that have the task of experimenting with the nano tech theory .
Les Banki also said , that this is for a 2 plate cell NOT SERIES CELL.
he also said high freq pulsing alone does not produce results , there is not the power.
he designed the circuit for experimental purpose only .
he designed the circuit for experimentors because there is no given circuit with the original document , page 1 of this thread , posted by the owner of this site .
the research document uses a SITh thyristor , Les Banki substituted this normally ON device with a HV mosfet  IXTX20N150 , again for experimental use

curious of any updates or stagnation or procrastination ??

 

I certainly did question it, and I still do not believe it.

I built Banki's "nanopulser" without using a PCB and of course without the "unobtainium" SiTH thyristor. For experimental purposes only, of course.

Offline massive

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TK
I have seen your work before besides electronics + good too .   the lack of the pcb doesnt matter , hell Ive done the same in the past , nothing wrong with point to point .
Les basic circuit is straight forward components , 2 chips , driver + mosfet . 

I can NOT figure a substitute for the SITh , its normally on device is a head scratcher
the 1 they use is 4kv rating or so
there is also a static induction transistor , again unavailable to the public , which must be us!

I can not see power being in a nano pulse but who ever funds the research is prepared to sign away checks also NGK is prepared to sink money into the device , obviously a small quantity of them which means the overall cost would be a stack

I did em Les Banki , bit of a cranky bstd but so what thats fine .
I had a VHS 15 years ago of his series cell hooked up to a running generator , I can only assume that vid is out there , I dont go on youtube so will never know
the thread on OUR shouldnt have crossed over to series cell , 2 different techs , basically the thread hit the fan

but oh well .....

to me 31 times means nothing , 8 times means nothing .
I would like to know whats up with the nano pulse and this device that I had never heard of before this topic appeared + I only read it on OUR before I came to read this thread

there are 2 recorded research teams in 2 different countries investigating nano pulse . to get to that level they have lept thru hoops to get funding etc before work begins

1 x faraday is good enough by me but how the hell does a nano pulse achieve even a fraction of that ?
on top of that , by adding chem to the water makes it more conductive , itd be more like a R

having an L , the L opposes I decrease , it wants I to flow , its not gonna get it from the pulse , its been and gone

theres still 20 pcb out there ??

the expensive part of Les choice of components is the 1500 rated , mosfet , diodes .   IGBT are cheaper .
I play around with FBT and HV arcing so have destroyed plenty but I do like the simplicity of what Les came up with .
the 1:1 FBT is interesting , this I will try

again I can not see how to sub the SITh by stacking anything ....... 







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Offline TinselKoala

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@massive:
"I can not see power being in a nano pulse"

Right. But consider what happens when you monitor the Drain of a mosfet in a low-side switch arrangement. The Drain signal is high when the mosfet is _OFF_ and drops to near the ground level when the mosfet is ON.

Also, as you point out the SiTH device is normally _ON_.

Do you see what I'm thinking here?

Certain other people, who certainly should have known better, have made the mistake of interpreting an inverted duty cycle and claiming that they have massive amounts of power flowing during a very short pulse... when in fact it was the exact opposite.

Offline massive

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mate , Im quite sure theres alot of misread or misinterpretted readings on this site .

in the case of Les circuit or similar its pretty ordinary .  as for the research group , it cant be accurately seen what their circuit involves .
there are sites that one can purchase complete research papers but judging by the presentation like japanese + indian papers I cant see that as sound investment either to get any closer

theres no magic in the pri circuit

Id expect at best a sharp HV spike on the sec .  from Les description which sounds accurate enough , the mosfet turns off, the SITh is still on and then absorbs bemf ..... its triggered OFF by neg signal
Ive read its also called a Field Controlled Diode .

FB is discontinuous , so current is only available on sec side . again no magic

the paper diagram sec depicts :  L 2 , diode and cell .   IF...its loaded with electrolyte then itd be better represented by a R

seems theres alot of H2 sec circuits with the same sec loop which is basically a short.


your sec has 2 parallel 100 ohm + 1 series R , I cant see , it looks blue / grey / silver , dont know .
but total R being 33 Ohm

why no diode ???
yes I know theres no water etc  but for FBT to function discontinuous mode theres gotta be sec D to open the circuit

.....and with that I see no reason the sec cant be open / grounded , going against the research paper diagram depiction AND typical stan meyer type diagrams
but in discontinuous mode the sec is OPEN circuit anyway


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Offline stoyan_

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Is it possible to have salt/sea water  electrolysis under following conditions :

Input voltage 4 Volts DC Voltage.
Total resistance between electrodes in water 0.1 Ohm

Important : There is resistor connected in series , closing the circuit with total resistance 4 Ohm.

Really thank you a lot .
BR.
Stoyan.

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #246 on: February 22, 2016, 11:24:13 AM »
built the nanopulse8 power supply .  my intention was to use the same circuit lay out as TK but the board tharrived from jaycar turned out to be experimental board with copper tracks in lines so I ended up doing the ICs in a row with + ,- tracks through the centres .
Everything else is point to point on top.

I see TK used a 3 A diode on input , maybe 5408 or 5404 so I used that . I chose pin 5 on IC1 to go straight to neg instead of having the switch as did TK .
I used 30120 HV diodes and 20N150 mosfet , ETD49 1:1 FBT as used in Les Banki circuit parts description

Ive been using FBT for years but never thought to use 1:1 .
the 2 wires are just to indicate polarity for the photo just for anyone who traces by visual .
pin 12 uses 2.7M resistor , I didnt have 2.2M .
the 5 watt R is .22 , other than that I kept to Les Bankis design .

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2578.250



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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #246 on: February 22, 2016, 11:24:13 AM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #247 on: February 22, 2016, 03:03:24 PM »
Massive
I will endeavor to get you some answers on the outcome of that Work.
May take a few days as The replicator has a very busy schedule and I have not spoken with him in quite some time.

respectfully

Chet



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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #248 on: February 22, 2016, 08:28:42 PM »
Hi
Les circuit was never the experiment , it was and still is the tool in order to perform the experiment .  which is nano pulse through Inductive Energy Storage

there are cheaper IGBT options than the 20N150 mosfet but I used it just so to back up the design Les put forward . I left out the switch circuit .
Les has other circuit boards for the series cell and parts list too , available on the link.
Ive had a look through them and they are all good to go . it would be hard to fault them

have a nice day

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Re: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC
« Reply #248 on: February 22, 2016, 08:28:42 PM »
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Offline Bttr2brnout

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Hi,

Stoyan, The last time I used conventional electrolysis was to remove rust off of some old farm equipment. But I don't see why your experiment shouldn't work. Voltage is a little low but depending on the amount of salt in the water it should conduct. I use sodium bicarbonate as an electrolyte as it shouldn't produce any unwanted gases.

Offline ourbobby

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Hi guys,
             This might seem a bit off topic, but is there a relationship between frequency and resonance and Meyers demonstration of freezing water as he is electrolysing?

Thanks

bobby

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Offline pomodoro

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Is this demonstration on a video?

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Is this demonstration on a video?

Hello, were you refering to my comment? If so, Yes, I have been wondering about the short Meyer's promotional video demonstrating the endothermic(?) reaction.

Thanks

Offline ourbobby

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Hi All,
here comes a new sensation from an Indian university, where 2 researchers
have proven, that with nanopulse excitation in an electrolysis cell you can get
31 times more HHO gas than with pure DC at the same input power.

Attached here is their PDF report findings !

Well done !

Regards, Stefan.

Hello, I recall this Indian test. It is a copy of the original test in the accompanying attachment from a Japanese set-up.



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Offline ourbobby

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And here is the NGK Patent for the SiThy using the same pulse circuit.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US20050218423.pdf


 

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