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Author Topic: Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC  (Read 143266 times)

Offline ARMCORTEX

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Yes he did, didnt you read the stephen Meyers patent application ?

Application denied 6 years later.

I was gonna go in full research, 6 transformers, dual 3 phase hexagonal cell, as is called for by the patent application.

With a cell where theres slots below the tubes to let water flow in and escape from below.

With impedance matching cards for every array. The patent application is surprisingly detailed.

But all those big dreams are gone now.

The un-sophisticated 99% cannot even hope to ever make such an electrolyzer, this really requires deeper research and knowledge of electronics.

I do believe however, that there will be someday, a discovery to break the water molecule with lower energy costs, nothing is impossible, there must be some way.


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Offline ramset

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""I do believe however, that there will be someday, a discovery to break the water molecule with lower energy costs, nothing is impossible, there must be some way.""


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc




sigh.....
yeah its so very complicated...


Please don't summon the Dankie....


thx
Chet





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Yes he did, didnt you read the stephen Meyers patent application ?

Application denied 6 years later.

I was gonna go in full research, 6 transformers, dual 3 phase hexagonal cell, as is called for by the patent application.

With a cell where theres slots below the tubes to let water flow in and escape from below.

With impedance matching cards for every array. The patent application is surprisingly detailed.

But all those big dreams are gone now.

The un-sophisticated 99% cannot even hope to ever make such an electrolyzer, this really requires deeper research and knowledge of electronics.

I do believe however, that there will be someday, a discovery to break the water molecule with lower energy costs, nothing is impossible, there must be some way.
It was not clear to me whether Dankie was directly reproducing the patent or devised his own circuits. 

The conventional view which has yet to be shown wrong holds that the energy required to split the molecule is the same energy less the phase change energy obtained by reacting the separated components.  The Japanese paper was trying to approach that less than unity efficiency in a way that could scale well.  The Indians have reported what amounts to OU, but their paper is a mess.

If you look at what it is that we get from liquid petroleum fuels today it is:  Easy and cheap distribution of comparatively light weight and moderately energy dense fuel.  If one can come up with a substitute that does not have horrific cost or the limited resource or pollution problems of petroleum then we would be way ahead of the game.  OU would be a big cherry on top if it could be made to happen.  So, far there is no love in that direction.  So, don't get too discouraged if OU doesn't happen soon or ever, if we solve the storage problem, then solar and other alternative generation methods will really knock down the economics of fossil fuels.

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Offline ARMCORTEX

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I may take a stab @ it tho in the future.

I have studied his backward decisions, have some hunch what he is trying to avoid.

I go the higher band now, I am prepared.

I know Stephen has some very valuable technology in his mind, I hope he left some crunchy in his patent, honestly the fact he didn't receive it changes nothing to me, I. The logic and sequence of events.

He is basically water god, who on earth knows more than he?

The guy is basically a an phenomenal and legendary engineer , top 5% of his navy class.

Brother of Stan Meyer, man who stopped nuclear reactor from melting.

Nobody is f**** with this guys. When he says he wants 10 million for a conversation he is pretty bold and direct. This probably comes with legal attachments, legal protection and enforcement from uncle sam

MarkE, why don't YOU take a stab at it, you should be thanking my ass for making this circuit available, and as you can see it works great.

Any research entity not actually testing this is stupid,  it is worth a few months investigation, right ?
If I was 100k net Worth I would spend 1k on this. Its a 25/75% gamble, Id say 18 tubes + cell + 6 cores + electronics... about 1000$
I may just find that pcb for that person.

Would Stephen outright lie in a patent application, read his terms and claims. Bold claims are made.

« Last Edit: August 28, 2014, 06:15:57 AM by ARMCORTEX »

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I may take a stab @ it tho in the future.

I have studied his backward decisions, have some hunch what he is trying to avoid.

I go the higher band now, I am prepared.

I know Stephen has some very valuable technology in his mind, I hope he left some crunchy in his patent, honestly the fact he didn't receive it changes nothing to me, I. The logic and sequence of events.

He is basically water god, who on earth knows more than he?

The guy is basically a an phenomenal and legendary engineer , top 5% of his navy class.

Brother of Stan Meyer, man who stopped nuclear reactor from melting.

Nobody is f**** with this guys. When he says he wants 10 million for a conversation he is pretty bold and direct. This probably comes with legal attachments, legal protection and enforcement from uncle sam

MarkE, why don't YOU take a stab at it, you should be thanking my ass for making this circuit available, and as you can see it works great.

Any research entity not actually testing this is stupid,  it is worth a few months investigation, right ?
If I was 100k net Worth I would spend 1k on this. Its a 25/75% gamble, Id say 18 tubes + cell + 6 cores + electronics... about 1000$
I may just find that pcb for that person.

Would Stephen outright lie in a patent application, read his terms and claims. Bold claims are made.
Armcortex, I do thank you for what you have done.  I haven't seen any evidence that would make performing a replication interesting to me.  If there is specific help or advice that you would like with circuit alterations, layout, test procedures, etc, then just ask.

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To steive1001  just as Les Banki has left overunity because he could not post here as he said in his post that being 80 years old he was attacked by MarkE as a self promoted chronic poster expert. 

He is NOT !

Any ordered debate is just an attack on the poor members trying to post here on overunity dot com ..
 Just go back and read posts by these three Shills,  Tinselkoala, MarkE, and MileHigh.

Between them they represent 90  percent of all the posts here and all they do is just criticize all debate telling the people under the guise that they are incompetent by attacking their posts through dissection of their posted results.


I suggest that posting here is a lost waste of time  and it's open forum debate has been taken over by professional saboteurs, as Les Banki said and others...

Acca...




Offline ARMCORTEX

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Let the shills be, I am the defender of the shills

Weak potatoes will give themselves all excuses to not make anything.

Shills, the weather, sick cat, fluoride.

He who has reached the point of illumination needs no one, their monies will be fine.

He who comes here looking for gimme gimme schematic fast fast mmmmm burgers, and never think
or pay attention deserves only that, to be redirected into his proper place.

I wouldn't want regular people to know what I know, competition is bad, the world needs employees,
Not stubborn assholes like me.

Good work you shills, keep it up

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    The 1s orbital of a hydrogen atom bonded to an oxygen atom is not the same as the 1s orbital of an unbound  hydrogen atom.  An electron in this 1s subshell is further away from the hydrogen nucleus as it is attracted to the oxygen nucleus also.  It is easier to ionize this electron than to ionize the same electron solely bound to the hydrogen atom.   The formation of hydrogen gas is the energy problem.  The two protons have to  form a covalent bond.  They have to pickup 2 electrons with opposite spins and then get close enough to form a covalent bond.  Best way to do that is right back with the oxygen atom with the original electrons ionized.  The only way to beat this heating of the water is to increase the field intensity.   This is done by increasing the voltage across the cell.  Unfortunately the field is only strong enough to ionize and accelerate the electrons very close to the cathode.
   Meyers claimed that the field was strong enough to warp the molecular electron configuration.  The electrons don't need to leave the molecule but shift away from the cathode with an increase in the polarization of the water molecule.  More electrons stay in the oxygen orbital than they do in the hydrogen orbital.  The charges on the cathode attracts the hydrogen end of the molecule while repelling the electrons toward the oxgyen end of the molecule.  At this point the 3 nuclides are all mutually repulsive.   This would cause an explosion of the water molecule.  Yielding 2 protons and 0-2 ion.  The protons are blown out of the molecule by the charge of the nuclei all being positive.  (coolumb explosion in liquid)   Now the field is relaxed.  Protons find themselves in an electron deprived enviroment and continue to drift apart.  The electrons redistribute round the oxygen atom.  This I get.  The part I don't get is how does the hydrogen form?  Or does it?   

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That idea does not seep particularly reasonable to me.  Set-up a field and it will polarize molecules that are in the field:  IE we can influence the orientation of the molecules.  Apply a stronger and stronger field gradient and eventually we ionize one or more atoms.  So, we get the molecule turned with the hydrogen atoms more or less parallel to the cathode, and there is some distortion, but the ionization energy is still far lower for the oxygen electrons than it is the hydrogen and we are back to ordinary electrolysis.  The same field  that pushes / pulls on the hydrogen electrons pushes / pulls on the oxygen electrons.  I think to get what you are talking about you have to be able selectively focus energy in the space of the hydrogen atoms. 

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That idea does not seep particularly reasonable to me.  Set-up a field and it will polarize molecules that are in the field:  IE we can influence the orientation of the molecules.  Apply a stronger and stronger field gradient and eventually we ionize one or more atoms.  So, we get the molecule turned with the hydrogen atoms more or less parallel to the cathode, and there is some distortion, but the ionization energy is still far lower for the oxygen electrons than it is the hydrogen and we are back to ordinary electrolysis.  The same field  that pushes / pulls on the hydrogen electrons pushes / pulls on the oxygen electrons.  I think to get what you are talking about you have to be able selectively focus energy in the space of the hydrogen atoms.


    The hydrogen end of the water molecule at the cathode will be attracted to the metal in the cathode.  It forms a hydrogen bond to the cathode metal.   The electric field of the electrons in the metal extend through the passivated layer.  The electric field also shifts the molecular electrons away from the hydrogen end of the molecule.  The covalent bonds are temporarily weaker than the artificial hydrogen bond.  The nuclei of the oxygen atom and the two hydrogen atoms find no electrons neutralizing the oxygen proton charge.  The two hydrogen atoms therefore move away from the oxygen atom and each other.   The hydrogen atoms (now just protons) are less massive so they move relative to the oxygen protons.   They are now stuck to the cathode like ions in an electrolytic capacitor.  This is what creates the capacitance in the tank circuit that creates the field.  If you short out the capacitor into the inductor the protons no longer stick to the cathode because of the reduced charge on the cathode.  Something else has to happen to favor the production of hydrogen gas though otherwise you end up with a bunch of h30 and oh radicals and water.  Maybe some hydrogen peroxide  and hydrogen if your protons hit the electron end of another stressed out water molecule?

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It's no joke.  Those of you that have any experience with hydrogen catalysis, will see the ramifications of the following.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_0cRYebYU

Abundant power generation, home heating, etc....

Is here now.  For those willing to go after it.

Look at the rate he's getting with ignoble (ie. cheap) metals and only 1.5v! 

Gotta love the intrinsic "irony" of one of the most stable liquids, used to put out fires, easily being split into two of the most flammable gasses known.


Good Journies

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Offline MarkE

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    The hydrogen end of the water molecule at the cathode will be attracted to the metal in the cathode.
The molecules turn to align at the lowest energy potential to the field.
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It forms a hydrogen bond to the cathode metal.
Unless I am mistaken, that bond is very weak.
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   The electric field of the electrons in the metal extend through the passivated layer.
Since we have a big externally applied field that is what dominates.  It is what caused the molecules to turn in the first place.
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The electric field also shifts the molecular electrons away from the hydrogen end of the molecule.
Which should only act to decrease the additional polarization before the oxygen ionizes.  If the cathode is on the left, you have the H side of the molecule there, crowding of electrons around the O side and a high positive field potential to the right of the whole thing.  Electrons feel force to the right.  The ones with the lowest ionization potential will break free first.  I submit those are  still the O electrons.
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The covalent bonds are temporarily weaker than the artificial hydrogen bond.  The nuclei of the oxygen atom and the two hydrogen atoms find no electrons neutralizing the oxygen proton charge.  The two hydrogen atoms therefore move away from the oxygen atom and each other.   The hydrogen atoms (now just protons) are less massive so they move relative to the oxygen protons.   They are now stuck to the cathode like ions in an electrolytic capacitor.  This is what creates the capacitance in the tank circuit that creates the field.  If you short out the capacitor into the inductor the protons no longer stick to the cathode because of the reduced charge on the cathode.  Something else has to happen to favor the production of hydrogen gas though otherwise you end up with a bunch of h30 and oh radicals and water.  Maybe some hydrogen peroxide  and hydrogen if your protons hit the electron end of another stressed out water molecule?

Offline ARMCORTEX

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What about wave interference and radiation.

Structure as well.

So much more complez than sparks or MarkE's visualisation based on questionnable science.

Too complex for man... Or is it.

Stipulating like this nulls the Xogen claims, so does the conspiracy really run this deep to have multiple frauds running around with disguised electrolysis.

I will not accept, that water cannot be broken by special electrical signals. I refute this claim based on human creativity.

I am not saying it has been done by Meyers, but Ill be damned if somebody smarter cant solve this.

Btw, I am not very smart, far from engineer and math wiz.

Nobody has touched the limit yet, I dont wanna hear it cant be done.

Offline MarkE

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What about wave interference and radiation.

Structure as well.

So much more complez than sparks or MarkE's visualisation based on questionnable science.

Too complex for man... Or is it.

Stipulating like this nulls the Xogen claims, so does the conspiracy really run this deep to have multiple frauds running around with disguised electrolysis.

I will not accept, that water cannot be broken by special electrical signals. I refute this claim based on human creativity.

I am not saying it has been done by Meyers, but Ill be damned if somebody smarter cant solve this.

Btw, I am not very smart, far from engineer and math wiz.

Nobody has touched the limit yet, I dont wanna hear it cant be done.
You've got a vision which is fine and well.  The challenge is coming up with evidence that supports it.  Do you have something that you want to try?

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You really ask dumb questions, questions wich you know the answer to.

No I dont. But have some unfinished business on my plate.

I will take a stab @ it, one day, not sure when, once Im real rich and a big intricate cell is like a penny to me and time is nothing.

But somebody will, one day, not me.

A brilliant researcher will come, Id say in the next century.

 

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