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Title: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: clearchrome on July 30, 2014, 02:36:26 AM

Anyone has more info on this ...replication?...or similarities?


http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Maglev_Magnet_Generator_by_Taiwan_Edison_Creative_Technology_Co.%2C_Ltd (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Maglev_Magnet_Generator_by_Taiwan_Edison_Creative_Technology_Co.%2C_Ltd)


Only got a chineese video:
         http://www.appledaily.com.tw/realtimenews/article/new/20140719/436089

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A Taiwanese company, that has what they are calling a "magnetic generator", is hitting the mainstream press in China, with their first public demonstration of the technology on July 19. From what I can gather, it appears to be a QMoGen (http://peswiki.com/index.php/QMoGen). A 7.5 kW unit is expected to be available in the marketplace in about a year, at a price of around $5,200, which is very affordable.[/size]
As a wind turbine company, they came up with the idea when they asked the question: "What do we do if the wind doesn't blow?" They hooked a motor to the front end and discovered this unexpected effect.[/size]
If I understand correctly from Alan Yim, who informed me of this, who speaks Chinese, Foxconn could be involved in the manufacturing of this. Foxconn manufactures computers and smartphones (including iPhone, iPad) for pretty much all major brand names. At a minimum, they are part of the holding group that financed this technology.[/size]
Here is an excerpt of what China Times reported (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chinatimes.com%2Fnewspapers%2F20140720000028-260202&edit-text=) on July 20: (Translated by Google with editing by me.)[/size]The world is seeking [clean] electricity. Large shareholders, including Howard Hotel Group President, Liaodong Han, [and the] inventor [from] Thomas Edison Creative Technology Taiwan, Thomas Teng, [are] optimistic about the prospects of green energy industry, declaring [that they have] successfully developed the world's first "magnetic generator" [as they call it], [making their] public debut yesterday ([July] 19). Teng said the Hon Hai Group will commission processing production, which is expected to result in this going to market in about a year.[/size]Liadon Han paid $80 million (~$2.6M USD) capitalization to Creative Technology Taiwan Edison, giving them a 45% share in the company, while Teng has about a 30% share. Liaodong Han said [that] they are already optimistic about the investment potential of green energy for the future of magnetic generators [and] are confident [in?] the successful development of stand-alone, 7,200 watts of electricity per day storage (approximately 7.2 degrees). [Not sure what that means. Are they talking 7.2 kW-h per day? Is their abbreviation for kW the same as degrees?][/size]Creative Technology Taiwan Edison took the opportunity [at] yesterday's shareholders meeting convened [for] shareholders and vendors interested in [becoming] marketing agents, showing [the] self-developed maglev generator system [(self looped?)], and on the spot demonstration [of the] maglev generator [powering] air conditioners, refrigerators, computers, fans, etc. Operations of household appliances.[/size]Known as "Taiwan's Edison", the title given to the chairman of Taiwan Edison Creative Technology Ltd., Teng, said [the] magnetic generator does not need to rely on outside energy, [produces] zero emissions, [and no] pollution. In the past near three years, Taiwan Edison, has spent $70 million in research and development. After trial and error, [he] developed a new type of generator.[/size]The price [is expected to be] about 150,000 yuan [Taiwanese] (~$5,200 USD) each. Teng said the maglev power generation systems [will be built] according to the need, designed to meet the power requirements of the generator types and models. The targe audience includes home users and industrial users. Agents [are already in place for] Germany, Japan, and Myanmar. He said that Myanmar is [deficient in] electricity, [and] magnetic power generation system, once mass production, could see a demand of around 20,000 units per month there.[/size]Teng said that this design uses a permanent magnet [to] generate power, unlike the traditional use of the coil and the magnetic field [to create the] relative movement of the power generation, eliminating the need for field winding permanent magnet excitation generators of electricity, carbon brushes, slip rings structure. The whole structure is simple, small size, light weight, big power.
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: clearchrome on July 30, 2014, 02:42:30 AM
Inside look pic
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: tagor on July 30, 2014, 08:54:31 AM
Inside look pic

this is the same thread then look at this

http://www.overunity.com/14802/-new-magnetic-electricity-generator/msg412083/#msg412083
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: lumen on August 06, 2014, 01:05:20 AM
It's possible that what they show is simply a test setup for a their wind generator. There are some spec's that appear to be interesting.
 
http://yangweicheng89.en.ec21.com/2KW_Permanent_Maglev_Wind_Generator--7317494_7320133.html (http://yangweicheng89.en.ec21.com/2KW_Permanent_Maglev_Wind_Generator--7317494_7320133.html)
 
Then another companies generator and their spec's.
http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/beijio2013/product-detailzKumtUvChrhB/China-Beijio-Disc-Core-Less-Generator-300W300r-min-No-base-.html (http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/beijio2013/product-detailzKumtUvChrhB/China-Beijio-Disc-Core-Less-Generator-300W300r-min-No-base-.html)
I wonder if that's full load torque they're showing?
 
 
 
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: ltseung888 on March 10, 2015, 12:48:26 AM
go to the Milkovic 2SO thread. (search using 12 times).  Start with reply 2826.

The source of energy for such QMOGEN is explained.
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: FatBird on March 10, 2015, 02:45:15 PM
Does anybody have any new info on this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wzOt61m_iQ
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Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: Paul-R on March 10, 2015, 03:51:48 PM
Is there a patent for this device?
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: FatBird on March 10, 2015, 04:06:25 PM
It looks like the above VEGA unit has a bigger output than this smaller version.


During the product launch event, Teng first started up a single "maglev generator disc" through a coil to power up a 110W light.
Then he started up an array of 6 maglev generator discs that powered up a fridge and air-conditioner.   Teng stated that the generator utilized
permanent magnets.  Each generator disc (rotor?) has 12 magnets, using the magnetic principle of repulsion to generate power.

The power generated is stored in the battery rack.  Teng also added that each generator unit has six 12-magnet generator discs.
Each disc is capable of generating 300 W of electricity. If the generator operates 24 hours, it can generate 43 kW-h a day, which far
exceeds an average daily home's use of 10-15 kW-h. The battery rack is capable of storing 7.2 kW-h of electricity as standby.

Teng said that it only requires 40 W to power the motor. This invention is to use 40 W to generate 1800 W of electricity.
They have already gotten distribution networks in Germany, Japan, and Myanmar, of which Myanmar has an estimated monthly demand of 20,000 units.

                                                                                                                .
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: Paul-R on March 10, 2015, 04:14:47 PM
It looks a bit Bedini to me.
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: FatBird on March 11, 2015, 10:53:29 PM
From their description above about NO COGGING,
it sounds like they are using Air Core Coils
                                                                                                                     .
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: lancaIV on March 12, 2015, 05:19:49 PM
Probably to get an idea about slow f.e. 200 RPM running generators, objects and concept open source :


http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=4304132&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.1&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=4304132&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.1&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: Paul-R on March 12, 2015, 06:20:54 PM

...and some pics:

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=DE&NR=4304132A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19940818&DB=worldwide.espacenet.com&locale=en_EP

Am I right that this device works both as a motor AND a generator, and it switches rapidly between these two modes?
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: TinselKoala on March 12, 2015, 09:16:48 PM
Click on the "INPADOC Legal Status" button on the left....

Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: lancaIV on March 12, 2015, 11:15:57 PM
This thread is about the Maglev Generator,
I only offered the F.Koen information to re-/search for older or similar publications or trials from other inventors !
                            Anyone has more info on this ...replication?.[/size][size=78%]..or similarities?[/size]

F.Koen claims were withdrawned yes, but he died before he received the office decision and so there has not been proteste against this act.


During a phone call with his sister I get from here the information that one prototype,functionally,has been built and installed in a mine in the german federal estate Nordrhein-Westfalen.
My search for cheap low rpm generator (more then fiftheen years before) get only offer in the 1000US$/KW range + gear/transmission + Motor costs , ergo, too much for a cheap electricity delivering system !
 I am not an "overunity" hunter without price limit !
I am in search for a cheap energy delivering system !


#Paul-R : the switch is to open/close the MoGen-feedback-cycle !



Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: sm0ky2 on March 13, 2015, 12:20:44 AM
From their description above about NO COGGING,
it sounds like they are using Air Core Coils
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that is generally the case with that type of generator. The magnets are fixed to the rotor, and generate electricity by passing across the stator coils.
If there were a magnetically inductive core, it would "pulse" or "cog" against rotation each time a magnet passed a coil.
When a load is present, this will occur, however even in an air coil. An opposing magnetic field is developed by the current passing through the coil.
The more current is drawn, the more prominent this effect. They are well versed in this, as developers of Wind Powered Generators for over a decade. As it is a necessary component of low-wind applications.



Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: Paul-R on March 13, 2015, 04:24:41 PM
#Paul-R : the switch is to open/close the MoGen-feedback-cycle !
That's  not where I got  the notion. Rather from Google's carboard translation attempt.

A (new) proposition:
How about a generator which will act as a motor spun up to speed by hand. Then, every 1/10 of a rev, it is switched to  generate mode, coils  are charged, coils  discharge into  caps, inductive spikes handled and put somewhere. Then in the next 1/10 of  a rev,  these capacitors discharge into the same device which is now acting as a motor, producing torque on  a shaft holding a regular generator.

Have I reinvented the wheel?
 
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: sm0ky2 on March 13, 2015, 04:29:09 PM
That's  not where I got  the notion. Rather from Google's carboard translation attempt.

A (new) proposition:
How about a generator which will act as a motor spun up to speed by hand. Then, every 1/10 of a rev, it is switched to  generate mode, coils  are charged, coils  discharge into  caps, inductive spikes handled and put somewhere. Then in the next 1/10 of  a rev,  these capacitors discharge into the same device which is now acting as a motor, producing torque on  a shaft holding a regular generator.

Have I reinvented the wheel?

Seems more like a pendulum than a wheel, every 2/10 of a rev, some energy will be dissipated in the form of heat and radiation, thus leaving a bit less to cycle into the next capacitor, resulting in a loss of rotational velocity.

Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: Paul-R on March 13, 2015, 05:36:32 PM
Seems more like a pendulum than a wheel, every 2/10 of a rev, some energy will be dissipated in the form of heat and radiation, thus leaving a bit less to cycle into the next capacitor, resulting in a loss of rotational velocity.
I am  expecting that cct design cleverness will result in excess energy being drawn in through quantum fluctuations and all that, back emf spikes, coil shorting and so on. A central  feature being that only one device is used, albeit in two different ways.
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: sm0ky2 on March 14, 2015, 12:24:42 AM
I am  expecting that cct design cleverness will result in excess energy being drawn in through quantum fluctuations and all that, back emf spikes, coil shorting and so on. A central  feature being that only one device is used, albeit in two different ways.

just be careful not to sink into an electrical circuit of super-cooling hyper-magnetism that opens a hole in the space-time continuum....
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: Paul-R on March 14, 2015, 01:03:52 AM
just be careful not to sink into an electrical circuit of super-cooling hyper-magnetism that opens a hole in the space-time continuum....
I wondered how long I could conceal the truth from someone of your eminence. The snag is that it might cause a chain reaction resulting in a pole reversal of the Earth's mag field.

Super-cooling eh? Whatever happened to John Worrel Keely's wire which was made of silver coated with gold and then coated with platinum?
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: lancaIV on March 15, 2015, 02:37:25 PM
Let me do a list of inventions,attraction/compression and repulsion/expanding force related :
                                    Wind and winding
                    Air gas and Ionic/Electronic gas Power
   
 Melvin Prueitt MECH
 Ron Driver heating and cooling pump
 Prof. Kanarev Pulse Power explication
 Mukherjee Motor/Generator
 Richard Fradella electric controlled generator
 Prof.Ingo Rechenberg bionic Biot-Savart analogon
 Klinsing Biot-Savart formula Winding
 Dr.Pavel Imris capacitive em-winding
 Dr.Wolfgang Volkrodt magnetic force transformer


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                         Let me go to R.Fradella generator description:


nominal 1000 RPM gives nominal 1000 W output
then        500 RPM by the same generator will give 1000 W X (0,5)³= 125 W
then        100 RPM by the same generator will give 1000 W x (0,1)³=      1 W

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                How you want to controle the ccw and cw force balance/resonance ?
             The capacitor windings will work as source but also as load/resistance !
     
             How much power do you think to receive as gain :
surpassing Shkondins Motor(with generator winding) or  www.trinitymotors.net (http://www.trinitymotors.net) (archive.org)
motor/generator 30% feedback-gains ?     

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                                                          F=BIL
                      How to neutralize cw force by ccw force to surpass the 'break even' ?
                               At first here a description without capacitors !


http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2733719&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.1&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2733719&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.1&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)

The inventive generator thus comprises a conventional generator for generating electric energy and an electrical device, which counteracts the generated at the conventional generator shaft in the generation of electrical energy retarding force, wherein a part of the electrical energy generated by the generator is consumed.

In a conventional generator the field strength B, the length of its conductor L and the current flowing through is denoted I, the result is the size of the reaction force F exerted on the conductor and thus to the shaft to F = BLI.

If the field strength of the electrical device 2B, the length of its conductor L each, only one current durchfiiesst, corresponds to the strength of the half of the current flowing in the generator current, is the force exerted on the anchor force F '= 2B x L x 1 = LI.

2 This shows that the force exerted on the armature of the electrical device, and thus on the driving wave power is equal to the opposing force which is exerted on the shaft from the conventional generator.

The force is generated to act in a direction such that it compensates the reaction force.

A stronger current flow provides the required torque to the shaft.

Therefore, the shaft and thus the armature moves further and generates electrical energy.

In order to flow current through these half the electrical device, half the voltage generator is required.
                                               by half amperage

So with is 1/4 of the power generated is lost to counteract the retarding force.

The remaining 3/4 of the energy produced, or slightly less of them are for outdoor use are available.



When the field strength of the electrical device is a multiple of the field strength of the generator, for example, 5-fold, it is necessary that 1/5 of the electricity generated flowing in the electrical device in order to generate the compensating force. 1/5 of the generated voltage is required for the current flow.

                                    1/5 voltage x 1/5 ampreage = 1/25 power

Thus, 1/25 or 4% of the energy produced is consumed in the electrical device, while 96% or less of them are for outdoor use are available.

In this way it is not necessary that any electrical energy from an external source is introduced into the generator according to the invention for generating electrical energy.


Thee gain in magnetic induction in the electrical equipment field compared to the generator field can thus be exploited in two ways, namely one for reducing energy consumption in the electric device and on the other to reduce the length of the conductor in the armature of the electrical device and thus in size and cost.




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This as example about the progressive internal power (F,VA) behaviour.
Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: hanon on April 22, 2015, 09:59:46 PM
The original Maglev system to levitate trains is created by placing the train support, which is magnetized,  between two magnets: one repels and one attracts. With this configuration there is a place where repulsion force is compensated by attraction force and the system is balanced and "free" from gravity.


Maybe Maglev now has just applied this same principle to an electrical generator.
 
I think that if you move a wire between TWO MAGNETS you could also counteract the cogging (repulsion from one magnet ) with the attraction from the second magnets. Please check Hogan-Jakovlewich patent and see the similarities... Also you could look to Clemente´s Figuera patent 30376 ..and you will see the same similarities...


N     
|                            (N-N = repulsion)
|_________N                                             Net force = 0
|                            (S-N = attraction)
|
S


Always ONE WIRE BETWEEN TWO MAGNETS.


Title: Re: Maglev Generator Generates 1.8 kW Electricity from 40 W Input
Post by: Thaelin on April 26, 2015, 09:17:57 AM
   I can almost say this setup would work out to being a great
circular magnetic bearing. Higher the strength of the mag rings
the more stability of the unit