Tinman,

If the above is true, using the same magnet polarity as in your H2 tests, reversing tank polarity to produce O2, and hence produce positive ions, should reverse the direction of the observed vortex immediately above the magnetic pole (reverse polarity ions should travel an oppositely curved path in the same magnetic field polarity). 

one small hitch there though,   

HYDRO is diamagnetic,
and   OXY is  paramagnetic


"Mother nature is a crazy bitch"- Alfred Reed     ROFL


little humor   


 

TA,

I am sorry, but I am still a bit uncertain if I understand what is depicted in 1819 completely.  There are two panels/images.  The left image appears to be viewing film, the right appears to be a line drawing/graph with a big red square.

There are numbered callouts/labels below the images, but no corresponding identification numbers in the images.

It would be most helpful when presenting viewing film, etc, of magnetic fields if you would provide an image or overlay of the orientation of the magnet and its geometric shape as positioned behind the film (with polarity marked as well).

Just a suggestion,

PW

NO, that left image is not viewing flim, its iron filiings around AC current lines looking END ON
Same  thing, in diagram on the right

Taken from JC Maxwells diagram of the dielectric and magnetic around AC lines looking END (of wire) ON (down the lines)



I am assuming that the left image is viewing film and that the right image is a graphical representation of the "end on" AC lines.  The red square overlayed on the right image, I also assume, represents a block magnet showing the dielectric plane (center line).<<<<<

Yes, the GREEN viewing film, however all this film does is show VELOCITY of fields, and the POINT/AXIS of polarization

They call it "magnetic viewing fim", but its real nature is showing polarization and shows really only 3 things

A: bright line of the dielectric inertial plane  (or as everyone else sees it, the axis along which the magnet is polarized)

B: shows the centrifugal edge in bright (again, velocity)

C: shows a fuzzy bright circle at the centripetal point.

I developed a liquid suspension that does the EXACT SAME THING as this film does 




Until I made the connection afterwords in working on magnetism, and recognizing this geometry before, nobody had a clue how galactic jets works, what, why, etc.

Even the so-called "experts" admit theyre really clueless about this special geometry, well its very simple, is the same as in a magnet


The only reason the galactic jets have an extremely tight centrifugal vortex is because theyre being deflected into a very very tight centrifugal cone due to mind numbing levels (we cannot fathom the levels) of power.

NO, that left image is not viewing flim, its iron filiings around AC current lines looking END ON
Same  thing, in diagram on the right

Taken from JC Maxwells diagram of the dielectric and magnetic around AC lines looking END (of wire) ON (down the lines)

TA,

Thanks, I got it now, that's why I asked...

PW

Yes, but are we actually seeing the influence of the magnetic field on the H2 itself, or are we seeing motion by proxy due to repulsion/curvature of ions?  I don't have that answer, hence the suggested test.  Possibly this has been tested before, if so, what were the results? 

If we are to believe that what we are seeing is merely the behavior of H2 rising in a magnetic field, then should it not be possible to eliminate the electrolysis part altogether and just produce/inject H2 above the magnet?  A stronger NaOh solution with a thin sheet of Al on top of the magnet should liberate H2 without the need for electrolysis.  Would it not then also produce a vortex?

As you can see in my vid on using pyrolytic graphite, it will move opposite to the movement it is turned, regardless of CW or CCW
however that stuff is EXTREMELY diamagnetic.


Any comment on repulsion/curvature of ions on our parts is speculative,  however neither of those is or CAN drive the magnet CW or CCW when polarity is reversed.

There are 2 charging 'portals' for any magnet, the centripetal point, and the dielectric plane.
with the dielectric inertial plane taped off, there is only ONE 'PORTAL' of charge entry, (and the end-product resultant hydrogen spin movement) period.


Not to get "picky" (not regarding you), but the only true magnetism (in refined denotation) is the centrifugal,.... the centripetal is also magnetic however being convergent to reintegration and perpetuating (as all 3 'components' do) magneto-dielctric inertia, its properties are different from the centrifugal.


SAME way you can say  "well stretching a rubber band (magnetism) one way outwards /divergently is no different than releasing it and letting it contract convergently / inwards".

they are quantitatively the same force,........but wholly different qualitatively.

stretch a rubber band while touching your lip with it, feel it getting HOT (radiation / centrifugal) .......now let it contract on your lip (where you can feel it easy),.....feel it getting COLD (convergence, centripetal)

The "wonderful" magnet is the dis-equilibrium of fascination since it has macro-magnetic properties that are 'permanent' and self-sustaining due to field incommensurability, ....natures own little "Möbius loop" 


This is also why my SEED GROWTH experiments only show TRUE results when the seeds are exposed for X TIME period along the centrifugal edge, and NOT just on  "one side" , in which case results are perfect and always predictable IF you tape the seeds along the centrifugal edge, and NOT just "either side" then test them.

Remembering again, Ether is Ether is Ether. 

Possibly only atomic H is involved in producing the vortex, as it exists briefly before recombination to H2 (unsure how long).  But even then, if atomic H is required, although seemingly a bit more difficult, it may be possible to devise an experiment wherein atomic H is injected immediately above the pole piece to look for spin/vortex in the absence of an electrical field.
PW

Nope, lots and LOTS of other methods to show magnetic vortex that have nothing to do with zapping magnets or using ferrous testing media.

(a couple of those testing mediums produce amazing results)

I hope Tinman invents the next "X" and makes a fortune 

Tinman,

Sincere thanks for your time and efforts.

Do you believe it possible to make a sufficient amount of O2 at the magnet (to allow visualization) by reversing the tank polarity?

As I surmised in a previous post, it may be possible that two different actions are being observed, a homopolar torque/motoring action and an ion "wind".  As H2 is liberated, negative ions form in the area of H2 production and these negative ions would then be repelled away from that immediate area.  As those ions carry a charge, their path as they leave that immediate area would be affected by the magnetic field.

If the above is true, using the same magnet polarity as in your H2 tests, reversing tank polarity to produce O2, and hence produce positive ions, should reverse the direction of the observed vortex immediately above the magnetic pole (reverse polarity ions should travel an oppositely curved path in the same magnetic field polarity). 

I surmise that when the tape is applied to the sides of the magnet, bulk current density in the electrolyte is lowered and the homopolar action is somewhat suppressed, particularly at lower currents.  This allows, at lower currents, the ion flow just above the magnet's pole to be more readily visible and somewhat predominant (as the pole area has the highest current density at this time).  As current is increased further, bulk current in the electrolyte becomes greater, and when sufficient, allows motoring to occur via homopolar action.

Anyway, it's just a thought...

Thanks again,
PW





 

I will give it a tr y tonight, but I would think the spin would be reversed-if not, then we reslly have some thinking to do. A problem is that very few bubbles ste produced from the magnet when used ad the anode-and my nickle coating is disapearing fast lol-may have to rescue some more magnets from older projects.
May place the magnet into a plastic holder, and use s\s wire on top of the magnet to eliminate the magnetic field of the small bolt

we need to find a way to combine those two in a closed system .

What if some one,.....   was already getting results with such thinking well in place?   

When, pray tell, will mankind discover the "secret" of the magnetic viewing film?