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TheoriaApophasis

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #540 on: July 24, 2014, 05:53:37 AM »
That will likely be confirmed through good experiments soon.



Radical Skepticism:
    A  "good experiment" is only one in which the outcome AGREES with the skeptics long held (FALSEHOODS) and deeply cherished conclusions.

I have seen and mastered every trick you've "got".   The Greeks mastered all the divergent agendas planted within fallacies and sophistry. Study of same is the best "weapon" in dealing with nonsense.


Never tangle with someone who can see thru all modes of fallacies



Your sacred cow
, GR and QM (the cult of quantum) is a fantasy.


Its a mental fahrt of Einstein and his ilk         Einstein in his insanity committed the fallacy of ATTRIBUTE REIFICATION

His premise is that SPACE is "something" that 'does things' and  "acts on things"  ...... it doesn't.


Fields,  charge-discharge, divergent-convergent, spatial-counterspatial


Nature doesnt "do" relativity.         C squared is only an expression of the conjugate nature between magnetism and dielectricity in electrification


watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdtTwBVgZw

MileHigh

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #541 on: July 24, 2014, 05:56:18 AM »
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Heres a mental image,   you and me in front of a crowd,.......Im debating the premise of magnetic centrifugal and centripetal vortex field conjugation

Here is a mental image:  You have a circuit that consists of a power supply and a single component.  You are asked a question about the circuit with a single solitary component and you can't answer it - another big litmus test fail.

"I discuss my new theory of magnetism but I am unable to solve a simple question about a ridiculously simple circuit that involves magnetism."

That's the likely result based on qualifying you.

TheoriaApophasis

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #542 on: July 24, 2014, 06:00:18 AM »
Here is a mental image:  You have a circuit


Thats called the "home arena fallacy"

Again, dont tangle with someone who can see thru your BS.  It doesn't work.

Edison asked Einstein what the speed of sound was,  Einstein did'nt know.     Edison said that Einstein must be a fool not to know something so common.



MileHigh

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #543 on: July 24, 2014, 06:03:01 AM »
Home arena my ass.  Everything is pointing to the likelihood that you would croak just like you croaked with every single other litmus test question I asked you.  You are unable to demonstrate competence in this subject matter.

TheoriaApophasis

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #544 on: July 24, 2014, 06:04:51 AM »
Home arena my ass.  Everything is pointing to the likelihood that you would croak just like you croaked with every single other litmus test question I asked you.  You are unable to demonstrate competence in this subject matter.


Yes, you are king of a nutshell, nothing exists outside that shell.


Keep hocking your wares to the dumb people.  Wooden nickels dont work in this slot machine.

MileHigh

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #545 on: July 24, 2014, 06:08:44 AM »
You are scared because you don't want to show the world how you can't even answer a question about a simple circuit with a power supply and a single component.

"Twenty years of schooling and they put you on the day shift."

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #546 on: July 24, 2014, 06:44:36 AM »
Never has one 'known' so much and accomplished so little...well nothing actually.

Regards...




SeaMonkey

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #547 on: July 24, 2014, 08:25:22 AM »
You are scared because you don't want to show the world how you can't even answer a question about a simple circuit with a power supply and a single component.

"Twenty years of schooling and they put you on the day shift."


Miles,

Some of your utterances are simply inexplicable!  You're
obviously a mature man with what seems a childish
sense of superiority blended with a profound fear of
being perceived as less knowledgeable than your
adversaries.

Or, should we say, your "targets?"

Why you expend so much energy in pursuit of drama
is an intriguing proposition, to say the least.

This discussion has proven to be exceedingly fascinating
both from a technical/scientific standpoint as well as the
human relations standpoint.

It is refreshing to observe an experimenter who is well
learned in the arts and who is able to fend off his attackers
brilliantly.

The conversation is reminiscent of those on a clear summer's
eve under starry skies with calm seas when sailors gather
on the fantail to tell "sea-stories."   To a casual observer
it would seem that the participants were bitter enemies
but in truth are the best of friends.  Sailors have a keen sense
of bullshit detection and any who come on with bum scuttlebutt
are lambasted with most colorful and creative invective.

Such is the life of men who go to sea.

Those were the days...

picowatt

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #548 on: July 24, 2014, 09:05:14 AM »
I am encouraging Tinman to do what he is doing.  Picowatt explained why there was no Lorentz force on the water to get it to form a vortex in the case of the solenoid.  That will likely be confirmed through good experiments soon.  That took the wind out of your victory jig.

There is no insulting of science going on - you saw good science the other day while we discussed the possibilities and explored possible explanations and suggested new tests - while you sat mute on the sidelines - another litmus test in action.

Actually, picowatt explained nothing.  I did however make a testable speculation, and Tinman was kind enough to perform an experiment regarding that.

I was intrigued by the vortex/no-vortex experiment using a PM and EM.  I believe there are an entire series of experiments that can be performed to further study why there was spin with the PM and not the EM.  However, I do not believe that the observed differences regarding the spin/vortex between the PM and EM "proves" anything regarding the OP's claims.  Further testing regarding the observed differences between the PM and EM may, or may not, in the end lend support to those claims, but until then, all one can state with any certainty is merely what is observed under the conditions present at the time of the experiments.  There remains far too many untested variables to draw any conclusions. 

Tinman was kind enough to perform the tests that he did, and although the observed spins using the PM seem readily explainable by conventional theory, further testing might change that opinion.  However, the PM versus EM differences seemed the most easy to work with, as the effect was readily observable and repeatable.  As Tinman seemed willing to do a test now and again, we might actually have progressed towards a further understanding of those observed differences. The entire process and discussions could have been a pleasant and possibly enlightening exercise.

However, this has got to be the ugliest thread anyone has seen in a long time, and there have been some doozies in the past.  Some areas of discussion that this thread has swung into are just unbelievable.  The level of personal attacks, unfounded accusations, condescension, overuse of bold and outright disrespect are just way off the charts.  The whole thread should be pasted over to a psych forum as fodder for discussion there.   

It really is quite ridiculous.  Is this the humanity we wish to save?   

But hey, no worries, the Holocene/6th Great extinction marches on...

PW

Farmhand

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #549 on: July 24, 2014, 11:07:44 AM »
If it is supposed that a permanent magnet has a magnetic vortex then I suppose it must be a kinetic structure.
And as such, if it was in fact true then we should be able to place a coil at some angle to a permanent magnet pole
and it should produce an emf all on it's own.

Or is there two opposing vortices at each pole ? So that one cancels the effect of the other. As per Walter Russell.

And by the way why not cite his work ?

I must say that using fluids and disregarding fluid dynamics as well as other than magnetic forces/effects at play is not very scientific.

In my opinion the only real way to show definitively a magnetic vortex from a magnet pole would be to take the fluids out of the
situation, including air or as much air as possible and use high speed photography to catch a sequence of  images showing
snapshots of a vortex in action.

Does my picture below count as intertwined vortices ? It requires appropriate positioning of the break out point in relation to the
toroid terminal to get the effect going well.

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TheoriaApophasis

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #550 on: July 24, 2014, 12:04:17 PM »

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Magnetism is radiation by definition.

its the conjugate necessitated discharge co-eternal principle of dielectricity AND the terminus of electricity.

But , as IS ABSOLUTE FACT, Phi x Psi = Q,   Electricity , being an Ether modality is the  Ether in dynamic polarization, AS SUCH it is more accurate to say that , rather than Electricity TERMINATING INTO Magnetism, it is correct to say that Electricity loses its charging nature, or half-component of dielecticity due to:
A: dissipation
B: coil formations   ....induction,
etc.


That BOTH electricity and gravity mass have MUTUAL co-principles of BOTH dielectricity AND magnetism is NO coincidence, they are both the by-products of magneto-dielectricity in formation (and degeneration)  .......(chart below).


Harvesting the pressure velocities (at the centrifugal point) of magnetism, Im afraid, is like squeezing a balloon in a PINCH,  you got MORE on one end, hurray, but less on the other, the field pressure mediation is instant and unavoidable.


Maxwell called magnetism the “field of dielectricity”
Dielectricity in discharge = magnetism
Discharge = polarization = radiation = space (itself) = divergence
All generation must terminate, that termination MUST be curvilinear, circular


necessitated curvilinear discharge
is only due to both charge and discharge operating on (rather off) the same universal fulcrum, the Ether itself sans perturbation.

Why cant people make things simple ,  Space is the product of discharge, of radiation, of magnetism which gives volume to the entire universe.

Electricity NOR dielectricity give any VOLUME (=polarization) to any part of the universe,   Even in galactic formations where the fundamental particle is created, its spin immediately produces its atomic volume in picometers due to discharge/magnetism/polarization/space (all one and the same thing)




All magnetism is necessitated radiation, is divergent,    Gravity/mass is HALF dielectric and HALF magnetism, which is why it is spatially accumulative but counterspatial in field.
Electricity is HALF dielectric, and HALF magnetism, which is why it is spatially polarized and but counterspatial in principle




Ether is the Ether is the Ether,   ;D  ;D........to claim magnetism, gravity, dielectricity and electricity as 4 wholly DIFFERENT things (ultimately) , is senseless and impossible.




If ORIGAMI /paper can teach you anything,  you can turn mere paper into either a deadly weapon, or something soft enough to wipe your nuggets with.

MasterPlaster

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #551 on: July 24, 2014, 12:15:37 PM »

Miles,

Some of your utterances are simply inexplicable!  You're
obviously a mature man with what seems a childish
sense of superiority blended with a profound fear of
being perceived as less knowledgeable than your
adversaries.

Or, should we say, your "targets?"

Why you expend so much energy in pursuit of drama
is an intriguing proposition, to say the least. .........................



You are too kind in your summation of what you are observing.
The nature of the attacks on Ken look more like the works of paid disinformation agents. After all why would a creative person
spend his time instead of developing his own work trying to demolish someone else's? This also applies to people who have
no thought of their own. The word jealousy comes to mind.

tinman

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #552 on: July 24, 2014, 12:51:17 PM »
OK-well i said i was out,but this deserves to be right here.

Tonight i have confirmed that there is two vortex spins that are opposite to one another. So in my case(my setup as seen in video)the right hand rule dosnt seem to apply to one of the two situations of my setup. Im not sure that this would be the case in a standard homopolar motor setup,but in the water test setup of mine,i can (with out a doubt) confirm that there is defently two spins that apose one another. This seems to confirm TA's picture below.

I think this one is the money shot guy's.Maybe it's time to open your minds.
I am uploading the video now,and will post it here in this thread as soon as it's done. In the mean time,i am going to the work shop,and shooting another video with fixed magnets. First will be with the tape around the magnet,and then i will remove the tape,and run the test again.I will also use a compass to show the field is the same,and a volt meter so as you can see the polarity hasnt been changed.

TheoriaApophasis

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #553 on: July 24, 2014, 01:03:33 PM »

I think this one is the money shot guy's.Maybe it's time to open your minds.
I am uploading the video now,and will post it here in this thread as soon as it's done. In the mean time,i am going to the work shop,and shooting another video with fixed magnets. First will be with the tape around the magnet,and then i will remove the tape,and run the test again.I will also use a compass to show the field is the same,and a volt meter so as you can see the polarity hasnt been changed.


Awesome work!!!! 

Great stuff.


As a note, I keep forgetting that most everyone looks at polarization TOP DOWN rather than how I always look at spin direction which is HOW it is (before it breaks the surface) leaving....., which is from the 'inside OUT' on a magnet, so I need to amend that picture to avoid confusion. ;D

N pole is CCW looking down, from HOW it LEAVES the magnet itself , it is CW ........as such, to avoid ANY confusion, I amended that diagram. >>>>


TheoriaApophasis

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #554 on: July 24, 2014, 01:17:21 PM »

You really wanna blow your mind,  ;D  ;D  ;D   :o ......(yes, Rawles and Davis reported on this 30 years ago)

Watch how much faster SEEDS sprout and grow if placed on top of a LARGE MAGNET SOUTH POLE than on the north pole.


North pole growing Alfalfa sprouts sprout SLOWER, WEAKER, and more PUNY than South Pole exposed alfalfa ..........(just one example)

HOW RADICAL a difference you ask?           >>>>>>>>>>>   A LOT <<<<<<<<<<<<

I have done the experiment many times, heres yet another example pictured below Im doing.

Think Im lying, anyone here TRY IT YOURSELF.......... always works.......see pic below,  UNDER THE CLOTH (you cannot see) is a big 2 inch by 2 inch by 1 inch magnet



You cannot really tell at this angle, but the GREEN (south pole) spouts have a LOT more volume and are more robust and bigger, and when they start growing, the first 2 days, they are ALLLLLLLWAYS much faster
(a LOT FASTER)

And..............if you expose tomato seeds to the North pole for a couple days (before planting), you end up with tomatoes that have VERY LOW ACID content.     (test it yourself).

I know the reason WHY this happens (and have proof) in seeds and plants, but I wont publish it until the 3rd edition of the book.  ;D