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TheoriaApophasis

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #255 on: July 20, 2014, 11:09:29 AM »
Well here is my second test. This time using an electromagnet insted of a PM. There is no spin detected with the electromagnet,unlike the PM that shows a clear spin at the pole's(Im using the terms north and south pole's,as that is what most people understand)

So why no spin with the electromagnet ,that is placed in the same situation???.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w


Awesome  video!!!!


NO SPIN with EM vs. PM because:


A: electromagnet is "driving" the magnetism via electricity, >>>>NOT dielectricity<<<<, as is the case in a PM, of which the dielectricity is 'driving' the vortex from the inter-atomic made coherent into the incommensurable geometry of the PM

B: Electromagnet is spatially divergent IN/AS a coil, and does NOT (almost the exact opposite) have the properties of dielectricity as found in a PM which is "driving" a genuine PM !!


Read Eric P Dollards works !!!!!!


Your videos are bloody marvelous. You're a hoot, awesome, creative, an experimenter, and you're like a fine OPAL from Coober Pedy !!!!   ;)  ;D  ;)  ;)


Id buy you a giant FOSTERS if you were within walking distance!!




Lovely vortex on your other video!




tinman

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #256 on: July 20, 2014, 01:11:39 PM »
I have another video uploading ATM,and will post it here asa it has uploaded. Then there is another to follow.

But i have just made a BIG discovery,and we may have to have another look at how exactly the homopolar motor work's-this MAY just proove that there is indeed a vortex spin at each end of a PM. All my test so far seem to show exactly that,and i believe my recent discovery will proove that to be true-unless some one here can post an explination in way of a sketch or picture defining the forces at work here. As i have a 3.30 am start,i may not get the setup finished,videoed and uploaded tonight-but it will be worth the wait

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #257 on: July 20, 2014, 01:50:41 PM »



   Good work Tinman, that's the way to do it!
   Thank you,
                   John.

tinman

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #258 on: July 20, 2014, 02:09:50 PM »
Ok,here is my next test. Here i place a current loop around the magnet. This is a good video,but the next one will knock ya sox off. 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-37Ecjd7FQQ&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #259 on: July 20, 2014, 03:50:16 PM »
Anaylis of Mile High activity and intent:


" Captain Zero:

That was a stupid move. [outing his drama queen complaint]  My concerns are legitimate.[only if legitimate can be defined as stupid]"



" Captain Zero:

You make me laugh because you in your own way are simply disconnected and living in a dream world.                           [simple projection strategy]

I think both you and E2matrix want to see every free energy proposition go forward, no matter how ridiculous and how many times very similar things have been resoundly refuted as being wrong.                                                              [I cannot speak for E2m but am only interested in unfettered flow and development of ideas as opposed to the paid derailers of same]

That means that you couldn't give a rat's ass about gullible people squandering their money and giving it to criminals.  [Blatant violin inducement]

You want to sit back in your armchair and let a bunch of people get burned so you can indulge your fantasies.     
[More blatant violin inducement]

Throw in your belligerent disregard for my request and your public posting of my email and that makes you one morally bankrupt frustrated guy on a forum...
[Belligerent disregard for readers ability to go back and see the drama queen's email was not posted...oi vey]

...where the only thing you can do is passively comment and try to milk the system and get people to squander their hard-earned money for your desires.
[Some additional violin inducement for added effect I suppose]

I am glad that I am not you.
[Boy, so am I, because then I wood look like the stoopid paid shill ]


Theoria:

Sorry, but you are just one in an endless line of people with propositions that don't makes sense that clearly can't punch their way out of a wet electronics or electromagnetics paper bag.  Lots of big talk and absolutely no substance. 
[Theoria = a breath of fresh air (actual ideas) who has stimulated a rather fruitful discourse (and experiments) among some very fertile minds here]

You claim 20 years of research and study, but you couldn't even explain Tinman's experiment, not to mention the other basic things that I asked you that you avoided.
[avoiding bozos is critical to getting things done]

Your 15 minutes will be up soon and Captain Zero will latch on to the next guy that comes along and support him, even if the new guy's dubious theories are diametrically opposite to yours.
[I guess he was unable to locate examples of me doing that...because as usual, he just makes up shit to qualify his delusional drivel]

You are just expendable cannon fodder for Captain Zero and in six months you will be long gone and forgotten.
[Jilted again...like all the other imaginary victims of my fickle flirtations with brilliance]


MileHigh "
[On a permanent high]



Notice that I did not address the shill directly this time...that is because I had only one toe inserted into the road side tar baby, which can then be easily extracted with a slight pull, without using the other foot on his arse to pry out my toe.

For the purposes of continuity I would advise everyone else just scroll by his incessant attempts to disrupt the flow of ideas.

Carry on uninterrupted guys...this is great stuff !

Regards...

tinman

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #260 on: July 20, 2014, 03:55:53 PM »
Well here it is,a new type of Homopolar motor-or something like that.
This shouldnt work,but it dose. Interesting times indeed guy's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc8Iw1OwYxI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w

MileHigh

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #261 on: July 20, 2014, 04:08:16 PM »
Tinman:

That's an interesting experiment, I can't explain it right now.  Certainly the fundamentals have not changed and it's not a discovery, more like a fun investigation into why you are not seeing the vortex.  The first thing that comes to mind is that the vortex requires three components, the magnetic field, the current flow through the water, and the magnetic field lines and the current flow to not be in exactly the same direction.  It would tend to suggest one of those components is missing.  But on face value it doesn't seem to be the case when you use the solenoid.

Is the circuit for powering the solenoid completely isolated and independent from the circuit that is causing the current to flow through the water?  The only other thing I can think of is it looks like the magnetic field from the solenoid is much stronger than the magnetic field from the permanent magnet.  That just might have something to do with it and if the strengths are very different, then you should lower the current through the solenoid in an attempt to make an "apples to apples" comparison for magnetic field strength.

You have to put off the use of the term "discovery" literally for months.  Right now it's an interesting investigation.  The magnetic field produced by the solenoid is certainly essentially the same as the magnetic field produced by the magnet.  Also, you can't make a statement like (to paraphrase) "solenoids make magnetic fields that are different from permanent magnets" because that's not true.  Right now all that you have is an observation that the particular solenoid that you are using in your particular setup appears to be different in behaviour from the particular magnet that you are using in your particular setup."  That's all that you have right now, you are not in a position to make any general statements.

Anyway, it's an enigma to me right now, waiting for your next clip.

MileHigh

wattsup

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #262 on: July 20, 2014, 04:38:02 PM »
Hmmmmmmmmm. Lots of pages flew by while I was in snooze mode.

@Tinman

Thanks for those vids.

You see, if I was doing such an experiment, I always consider to have 2-3 wattsups looking down my shoulder and stating all the wrong comparisons (objections) that are being made to derive a logical conclusion.

One of those would be magnet topology versus coil topology.

I made a quick drawing of this to show you what I mean when doing tests.

If your magnet has a straight rising sidewall, then the coil has to be as close to this topology as possible. To do that would only require a single layer coil and some tape over the turns to make sure any rising bubbles would not be influence by the bumps created by each winding so that the side wall is smooth. That would be a good analog.

The only other main factor is the magnets Tesla rating compared to the energized coil Tesla rating. This would be very difficult to reproduce exactly to compare apples to apples but at least if the physical forms are close, you can always do a pull test using a scale to compare the pull force required on each of these. Everything is relative to all the factors involved.

Don't forget that you are creating bubbles that rise to the surface on their own buoyancy. This will create a change in surface tension on the sidewall of the magnet with water pushing against that surface tension. All these factors come into play because of the physical form of the magnet. Those same interplays have to be identical with the coil.

If the coil is as you have show in your video, then the comparison with the magnet would have to display the same physical attributes in order to reproduce those same factors, so to equal your present coil topology, your magnet would require an outer form that will push the rising bubbles in the same manner as is happening with the coil.

The magnet and the coil would also have to be at the same height off the floor of the tank. When you are looking at a physical phenomena and comparing to another physical phenomena, both physical attributes should be the same or as close as possible in order to eliminate or reduce any discrepancies that could be construed as part of an effect proof.

If the magnet sits on a copper plate, the coil should sit on a copper plate as well.

This way you can then state (all other physical factors equal) the magnet does this and the coil does this or that.

Good work man. At least there is a base of effects for comparison.

wattsup


minnie

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #263 on: July 20, 2014, 04:50:45 PM »



   Hi tinman,
              another question: did you turn off the battery charger when demonstrating?
   Altogether a very good effort on your behalf and well presented too.
                       John.

d3x0r

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #264 on: July 20, 2014, 05:07:30 PM »
But as a homopolar it should run.  If you run the second wire all the way around and down to the bottom it runs just as well. doesn't have to be on the side...
Reversing the magnet makes it go the other way.. but interestingly the vortexing goes away... majority current flow is still making a field on the screw

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #265 on: July 20, 2014, 05:22:51 PM »
Experiments that have nothing to do with a vortex or the vacuum that creates it is pointless ! All theories so far are all flawed endeavours to identify the reality of such work ! Please stop referring to faraday he is an old book on the out of date book shelf ! The so called ultimate proof of a vortex is with a working model that has substantial energy gain not just a silly wire and some magnets . But it does prove the outside force is independent from the modal .

Now I have a 10kwh magnetic vortex zero point generator and no I don't do videos or have a need to explore other experiments ! So MR MILE HIGH come back down to earth ! One can never determine all the facts if they fill they know it all and have no technology to produce an event that will completely confirm a true vacuum vortex . A few magnets wont do the job correctly and will serve very little purpose as there is nothing you can do with it ! Sorry to bring you back to the ground level of reality where I can ASURE YOU that a fully operating system will set you running out the door ...

Your tone is some what aggressive and you write in a manner of someone that may be high on something ? Calm down sir or you will blow a fuse ... Now give me good reason why you deserve to know how a 10 kwh vortex generator is made or how it works and I do mean at the particle level . To many here write in  a way that portrays a mind of experience and refuse to except fact over fiction by demonstrable effect, to that I challenge you .. Throw away the stupid out of date physics book and all reference material date ect And allow me to place in one hand a 5.5 inch ferrite magnet and a special motor in the other hand as the magnet draws closer to the motor the speed of the motor will increase .. That's lesson one !

Lesson 2 is to achieve the same effect but the current will decrease to zero point as the magnet gets closer to the motor.

Lesson 3 Is when you disengage any power supply and the motor is still running .

Lesson 4 Is when the gravity of the combined device is coherently isolated and the apparatus is suspended in an animated form of its new gravity bubble .

Lesson 5 is HEALTH AND SAFETY !and the most important lesson because the technology floods dark energy into the gaps between electrons it would be wise not to stand in the flow of that field ...

So come on down to earth ! STOP PLAYING WITH TOYS ! Your talking to me now and I sir am the best that there is and ever will be !!! who am I ? I am the master of the vortex ! That means you are my student ! You have one chance so quickly learn the art of how to be humble sincere kind and courteous honest and not just fearless or pumped up so high with your own words that you will only ever see the dark between the light ...

Some of us are the true masters of this universe and I am one of them !!!! Now start again !!!

Yours truly

The one that is going to rock your planet LOL XXXXXX






 


 


 










         

Farmhand

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #266 on: July 20, 2014, 05:29:29 PM »
How is the rising bubbles forming a swirling pattern any different to the rising smoke and flames from a fire causing a swirling pattern ?

I think it is the natural tendency of fluids rising in other fluids to do that.  I make fires that produce some real nice vortex patterns
quite regularly.

It is my belief that there are some odd things that go on inside a strong vortex like a tornado, I see stuff get propelled directly
upwards inside them at times, seemingly not caused by wind but by what appears to be a negation of gravity combined with
pressure differences. I see things go straight up like they get launched, with sometimes no spinning until the object contacts the
inner wall of wind. It just looks odd and not caused by wind generated "lift".

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #267 on: July 20, 2014, 05:33:49 PM »
Wattsup-did you watch the video?. If so,can you explain as to why we get zero spin when i use the piece of pipe that has no magnetic field,and as soon as i add a magnet to that very same piece of pipe,we get a very clear spin. Why dose the spin direction change when flipping a magnet over-the very same magnet,with the very same shape?.
The magnetic fields are needed to create the spin,there is no doubt about that.

@Tinman

The strength of your neos is very strong and yes there could be an effect of spin, but let me suggest this small test.

1) Find a masson jar or other smaller glass container then your water tank.
2) Put the anode/cathode in the jar and add your water.
3) Produce your micro bubbles in order to saturate the solution as much as can possible to create a clouded solution.
4) Remove the anode/cathode.
5) Find a little non-magnet whatever and put it at the bottom of the jar to act as a raised platform.
6) Put your magnet on the platform.
7) Take a close up of the top of the magnet.

Logic: If the magnet is the sole instigator of any spin, it should not care where the bubbles come from. Whether they are produced and rising from the sidewall then curving back in towards the top of the magnet or whether the solution is fully saturated with bubbles, the magnet should not care and you should till see spin to some degree.

So by removing all other contributing factors the affect should not change, so such a test would be very revealing.

wattsup


MileHigh

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #268 on: July 20, 2014, 05:39:06 PM »
Tinman:

Just some pointers.   The current inside the aquarium flows throughout the entire body of water.  So that's why moving the ring did not make a noticeable difference.  Naturally most of the current flows in the general volume of water in line between the magnet and the ring, and much less current flows into the corners of the tank.

Look at the attached graphic. Imagine that you are above the magnet looking downwards.  You are looking at a horizontal slice of the water a few inches above the magnet.  The magnetic field lines are going downwards into the page and they go into the top of the cylindrical magnet.  The charge q represents a small slice of a spaghetti strand.

For the graphic you have to do a swap - you see the red force arrows and the and the green velocity arrows.  So if you swap the velocity and force you have current moving inwards towards the magnet, and force in a radial direction.  Look at how the green force vectors push on the water to create a vortex.  That is an example of the type of thing that is happening in your experiments.

Here is another "view:"  If you are looking at a ring on top of the "mushroom cloud" you can imagine that at a certain point in space for the ring the magnetic field is horizontal and extends radially outwards like the spokes of a wheel.  In this case lets imagine the current is going down into the page.  One more time the magnetic field and the current are at right angles to one another and you get the same radial force vector pattern that creates a vortex in the water.

MileHigh

 

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #269 on: July 20, 2014, 05:45:34 PM »
Captain Zero:

How is your AIDS coming along?  Are you still getting the dizzy spells?  Has it started to affect your vision?  Your weight was way down last year but has the new drug cocktail made a difference?

I know that you have been coping with it for years and I suppose that you are fortunate because you still have your mobility.

I know it's tough but hang in there, they may have a cure one day.

MileHigh