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Offline minnie

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #5160 on: February 05, 2016, 08:45:52 AM »



    I think if you look at "JK plasma magnetics experiment 1" (Tinsel Koala)
  on YouTube that little demo gives a much better picture than Kelly's silly
  Ferrocell images that Kelly doesn't even explain in a satisfactorily.

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #5161 on: February 05, 2016, 10:19:33 AM »
@sadang

Have a look at Dirac's Equation.

I wouldn't expect anyone to fully comprehend its meaning, so look for Don L. Hotson's explanation.  He wrote three nice articles that make more sense than I have come across in years.

The truth is out there, but expect to muck yourself up in a lot of BS first.

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #5162 on: February 05, 2016, 01:00:16 PM »
@ Dog-One
I did not read yet these articles and I'll do in next days, in my spare time. However the Dirac sea of negative energy is a well known subject for seekers of free energy.
- http://openseti.org/Docs/HotsonPart1.pdf
- http://openseti.org/Docs/HotsonPart2.pdf

I just have to emphasize that even with this theory that somehow fill the missing volume of the Universe, it still work with discrete and quantifiable values which don't go deeper than Plank's level. And the truth of "common sense" should tell each one interested to understand more than just waste time with hard math, that before to have something which can be quantified, there should be something else, a seed with continuum characteristic. Continuum not static!

@ minie
The question is Kelly don't explain correct or are you unable to understand it? An ionized gas is not the same thing as an ferrofluid.

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #5163 on: February 05, 2016, 06:12:37 PM »
It's so nice that I am not the only one who reads http://www.infinite-energy.com/


Acca...

as you have posted in the pdf files by Hotson..
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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #5164 on: February 05, 2016, 06:45:35 PM »
No Acca, you are not the only one! I recommend you other two magazines; New Energy Magazine and Journal of New Energy. And of course and why not, the Physical Review, Science Magazin and Scientific American. And others that are too freaky for common sense people!

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #5165 on: February 05, 2016, 10:16:52 PM »
Again Thanks for the Hotson links it's been a while since I have read them...

Acca...

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #5166 on: February 07, 2016, 11:09:19 AM »



   Trouble with Kelly and his supporter is that they use selected bits of
proven science yet totally ignore other also proven facts as it suits
their ideas.
    Is it really necessary for Kelly to use all that derogatory language in
his videos?

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #5167 on: February 07, 2016, 11:24:05 AM »
An overall problem with people is they are full of dogmatic certitudes! You have to learn that first look at information not at people. That's what matter!

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« Reply #5168 on: February 07, 2016, 10:27:45 PM »



   It's taken me 60 odd years to gain some idea about the meaning of
 mass-energy equivalence and SR.
   I didn't ever grasp the cause of induction 'til MarkE explained it to
 me.
    What I need now is for someone to explain Kelly's diagram to me.
  Perhaps TinselKoala or Poynt99 or some other kind soul could enlighten
 me on the meaning of things like Ether field modalities etc.
    Thank you in anticipation, John.

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« Reply #5169 on: February 08, 2016, 01:19:00 AM »


   It's taken me 60 odd years to gain some idea about the meaning of
 mass-energy equivalence and SR.
   I didn't ever grasp the cause of induction 'til MarkE explained it to
 me.
    What I need now is for someone to explain Kelly's diagram to me.
  Perhaps TinselKoala or Poynt99 or some other kind soul could enlighten
 me on the meaning of things like Ether field modalities etc.
    Thank you in anticipation, John.
"Ether Field Modalities" is the name given by an ignorant dreamer with Dunning-Kruger syndrome, to things he'd like to be able to understand but cannot, since he is blinded by his own brilliance. All you can do with "ether field modalities" is draw fancy coloured lines on graphics, which don't represent any coherent reality. There is nothing that can be engineered using these fantasy confabulations and they have no rigorous mathematical treatment underlying them. In stark contrast to the conventional physical concepts that are in everyday use and describe the principles by which things like computers, particle accelerators, and spacecraft, to name but a few, are designed and operated.

But I think you know this already.

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #5170 on: February 08, 2016, 01:48:55 AM »
"Ether Field Modalities" is the name given by an ignorant dreamer with Dunning-Kruger syndrome, to things he'd like to be able to understand but cannot, since he is blinded by his own brilliance. All you can do with "ether field modalities" is draw fancy coloured lines on graphics, which don't represent any coherent reality. There is nothing that can be engineered using these fantasy confabulations and they have no rigorous mathematical treatment underlying them. In stark contrast to the conventional physical concepts that are in everyday use and describe the principles by which things like computers, particle accelerators, and spacecraft, to name but a few, are designed and operated.

But I think you know this already.

Not to mention that Mr. Wheeler's diagram depicting his fictitious "dielectric plane" shows all inward arrows... if the magnetic field were coherent in the inward direction at the Bloch Wall region, it would be a (duh) coherent magnetic field... yet it was Mr. Wheeler himself who showed us a photo of him holding a ferrofluid device across the Bloch Wall, showing the ferrofluid attracted toward either end of the magnet, but not attracted to the Bloch Wall region.

In reality, a magnet has two "magnets" interspersed throughout it. Our imperfect magnetic material cannot withstand the internal magnetic stress, so some of the domains unpin and flip to minimize the magnet's internal energy. Thus, interspersed throughout a conventional magnet are two predominant magnetic domain directions.

This is why you can cut a magnet and have a N and S pole in each cut piece, not some wholly invented notion of "field incommensurability".

The Bloch Wall region is where the two predominant magnetic domain directions in a conventional magnet meet and mutually cancel. They cancel by "canting" the domains at the Bloch Wall region at angles to the two predominant magnetic domain directions, thus creating an essentially random magnetization, and thus it can be considered to be "unmagnetized", just as the random magnetic domains in unmagnetized iron is considered to be "unmagnetized". That's why the ferrofluid in Mr. Wheeler's picture acts the way it does... it's more attracted toward the poles, it's not attracted to the essentially unmagnetized Bloch Wall region, so the ferrofluid tends to "bunch up" at either end and have a thin spot over the Bloch Wall region because of that "bunching up" drawing ferrofluid away from the Bloch Wall region.

But no one will be able to get it through Mr. Wheeler's thick skull that he's completely, utterly, hilariously wrong about the overwhelming majority of his hobby theory. He's convinced himself he's smarter than everyone else, despite his ample demonstrations right in this very thread that he's likely the most clueless person on the forum.

I find it extremely funny that his latest "demonstration", his "single-slit experiment", not only didn't disprove QM, QED or QFT, it corroborated it.

http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg472718/#msg472718
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SINGLE SLIT EXPERIMENT: Part 1 Dismissing "wave particle duality" Quantum Quackery

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpcQNYa3VZ8

I noticed this as the page was reloading and before your post was hidden by the Bozo Bin code, so I'll reply real quick...

Wheeler yet again has discovered nothing, he's not saying anything new, he's not discrediting QM, QFT or QED (and is in fact corroborating all of them), and I suspect he's being disingenuous in his claims of discrediting QM, given that he should know that any single-slit of a width several times the wavelength will result in a diffraction interference pattern, whereas a single-slit of a width equal to or less than the wavelength will not... just as he should know that a well-defined obstruction to an electromagnetic wave acts as a secondary source, and creates a new wavefront. This new wavefront propagates into the geometric shadow area of the obstacle. The propagation of light in Quantum Field Theory actually is consistent with the very interpretation of the Huygens-Fresnel Principle.

If you look at the Huygens-Fresnel Principle (this concept's been known about since 1678, expanded upon by Fresnel in 1816), you'll find that each wavelength of light interferes with itself... any point on any peak of any particular wave acts as a point of diffraction, the sum of constructive and destructive interference of all these arbitrary points of diffraction resulting in the next wave.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens%E2%80%93Fresnel_principle
https://youtu.be/7CmbItRjM-Y
https://youtu.be/T-kgoxhFSmU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D8cPrEAGyc

As for his shining a laser against a pin, that's an inverse case of the single-slit diffraction case. It's called the Knife-Edge Effect, and is explained by the Hugyens-Fresnel Principle explained above.

If people weren't so uneducated and gullible, they'd not fall for Mr. Wheeler's BS. In point of fact, the Huygens-Fresnel Principle was the forerunner of and impetus for modern quantum electrodynamics, and in fact, Einstein debated Walther Ritz on the concept, taking the stance that the Huygens-Fresnel Principle was necessary for the quantum concept of a photon.

So in effect, Mr. Wheeler just corroborated Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Field Theory and Quantum Electrodynamics. Thanks for that, Mr. Wheeler. Is that not what you wanted to do? Perhaps you should think through what you're going to stomp your feet about before you start stomping.

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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
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Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
« Reply #5171 on: February 08, 2016, 07:46:51 AM »
Exactly as I said:
An overall problem with people is they are full of dogmatic certitudes! You have to learn that first look at information not at people. That's what matter!

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Lesson 6 - dielectric inertial plane:
- dielectric inertial plane is the counterspatial XY-axis of non-opposition between magnetic circular reciprocation centrifugally and centripetally, which create, as is necessitated, binary CW and CCW field lines of motional disturbance. At the dielectric inertial line the two reciprocating magnetic field gradients are nullified and in equilibrium
- dielectric inertial plane is incommensurate within ANY and ALL magnets, as any child can prove in cutting a magnet along
the dielectric plane a trillion times (if it was possible) you will have a trillion more magnets with CW and CCW spin on either side and in the middle between the two a dielectric inertial plane, a “Bloch wall” in incorrect parlance. However in cutting a magnet even once perpendicular to the inertial plane you will not have moved the inertial plane, only bifurcated it in division (not actual division) between two new masses
- dielectric inertial plane is the rebounding point, acting like reflectors for the Ether bubble as meant the magnetic pressure CW and CCW movements
- dielectric inertial plane is the equator of a gravitational sphere, which can be seen from any field-viewing medium

Lesson 5 - dielectricity:
- dielectricity is the fundamental Ether-modality of the entire cosmos
- dielectricity is the Ether under torsion and torque at its inertial plane
- dielectricity is counterspace
- dielectricity is the Ether boundary, the inertial plane, and the membrane at which only another conjugate polarized field can torque to create other phenomena
- dielectricity is counterspatial, is centripetal, is inertial and does not act on (most) other phenomena
- dielectricity is the conjugate of magnetism
- dielectricity is a versor in counterspace
- dielectricity is greater inverse to the space
- dielectricity is counterspatial, inertial, radial, and centripetal
- dielectricity is electropositive
- dielectricity is necessitatively divergent in discharge in an expanding circulatory fashion
- dielectricity is to gravitation as electricity is to magnetism
- dielectricity is the point causation for the creation of mass/gravity
- dielectricity is a superluminal radial and counterspatial inertial plane in the inter-atomic

Lesson 1 - ether:
- Ether is counterspace, and likewise cannot be IN SPACE, rather space is within the Ether when manifest in phenomena or polarized
- Ether is the inertial plane whose XYZ-axis is at every "point" in which space can be found within the Ether but not the inverse, but of course this Ether precedes space itself and defines space which is co-relational only to magnitudes (not mass, which is the domain of the Ether) and time
- Ether is the "ultimate" medium (Tesla often interchanged the term "medium" with "Ether") - being a perfect "fluid" and transporting independent carriers
- Ether is always trying to terminate back into counterspace, its origin and fulcrum, it is only by reciprocation, movements and countless other phenomena that it is "kept" in space (for a short while, but an eternity as measured by the life of any human)

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Or as I already said:
What is really hilarious is that no device in use today nor the Universe itself refute the existence of ether, on the contrary reinforces its existence. But this require to bend a little more on causes not on effects. On qualities not on attributes. On explanations not on descriptions. Or finally to change the reference system, to see things from another perspective.

Continuing to maintain that the current scientific laws which are based on a matter which is only 99,99^10-12 from the Universe's volume, represent the rules that govern the entire Universe is a real insane. Even if we add the known fields concepts, the missing part of Universe volume is huge. So then, which situation is more hilarious? Ken's theory or current so called scientific theory that we were educated with? And which of course shape continuously the current reality, using our own minds and hands without even us to be aware of this! Can you comprehend that?

- "When common sense fails, we must create uncommon sense" said Leonard Susskind, professor of theoretical physics, and priest of the cult of Quantum. No, this is the wrong way. The real way is to understand the limits imposed by the "common sense" and must have the dare to go back at the origins.

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Or quoting Ken's words: "If you were to reveal the dielectric inertial plane of a magnet with field viewing film to an ancient Platonist, or ancient Egyptian metaphysician, at which there is no magnetism present between the two “poles”, he would proclaim forthwith that this was the universal fulcrum sitting at the middle of all space, antinomies, and becoming. But a modern fool existentialist, an Atomist calls this a ‘Bloch wall’, or domain wall. Descriptions and names are not explanations or understanding, or comprehension. Dielectricity is the fundamental Ether-modality of the entire cosmos."

And don't forget: "Mother Nature does not calculate, does not do math, she only knows of three pairs, spatial-counterspatial, centrifugal-centripetal, and charge-discharge. With these three conjugates, the entire cosmos is painted in full detail. Phi is to 1, as 1 is to Phi, understand this fact, or you will understand nothing. - Ken"

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« Reply #5172 on: February 08, 2016, 10:22:38 AM »
So now you're going around in circles again, like a doggie chasing its own tail, repeating that gobbledegook again for the, what, third or fourth time? I hope you are at least copy-pasting rather than typing on your COMPUTER, which by the way refutes all of that crap in a single integrated circuit within it.

Go ahead, show me ONE SINGLE OPERATIONAL DEVICE that has been or could be designed using those "ideas", that cannot be fully covered by conventional physics. You cannot! And you never will be able to. Meanwhile, you can't even start your car or buy your breakfast SuperSize Big Mac meal without being refuted at every step of the way.

Your gobbledegook has even less real meaning behind it than photographs of the Cottingley Fairies.

Nature doesn't do math? How easy is it to refute that! Yet in the same breath the irrational worship of phi is stated again. How is it possible for mathematical physics to be the underpinning of all the designed and constructed world around you then? How is it possible to use a simulator like Spice to design complicated electronic circuits and then find that the real circuit behaves exactly as Spice predicts? How is it possible for _human minds_ to do math, if "nature" doesn't do it? Are our minds "unnatural"? What about crows? Even CROWS can do simple arithmetic.  I'm amazed that someone who is actually intelligent enough to USE A COMPUTER for something other than a doorstop actually believes silly things like "dielectricity is a versor in counterspace".

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In geometry and physics, the versor of an axis or of a vector is a unit vector indicating its direction.
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The versors of the axes of a Cartesian coordinate system are the unit vectors codirectional with the axes of that system. Every Euclidean vector a in a n-dimensional Euclidean space (Rn) can be represented as a linear combination of the n versors of the corresponding Cartesian coordinate system.
(and much much more from Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versor_%28physics%29 )
But in Kenny's delusion, a "versor" is just a fancy sounding word, confabulated with "counterspace" and has no real meaning--- because
"Nature doesn't do Math!"  What a bunch of nonsense you parrot.

Go ahead.... tell us just why a bismuth sphere placed next to a magnet generates "Genuine Free Energy".......  when actual real experiments prove that it does not.

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« Reply #5173 on: February 08, 2016, 10:35:28 AM »

Go ahead.... tell us just why a bismuth sphere placed next to a magnet generates "Genuine Free Energy".......  when actual real experiments prove that it does not.

I'm not sure of any energetic evaluation of Bismuth, in its' diamagnetic plane.
But, I DO know, that if you restrain a sphere of bismuth so it can only rotate perpendicular to the diamagnetic plane, in the presence of a certain arrangement magnetic field(s):
it acts much like a Hamel spinner in reverse.

I don't know if that's any more "genuine" that what Clanzer did in a glass bowl, but that's what happens to bismuth in a ball shape.



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« Reply #5174 on: February 08, 2016, 11:42:47 AM »
TinselKoala, I can say the same thing about you:
So now you're going around in circles again, like a doggie chasing its own tail, repeating that gobbledegook again for the, what, third or fourth time? I hope you are at least copy-pasting rather than typing on your COMPUTER, which by the way refutes all of that crap in a single integrated circuit within it.

If you don't have questions only certitudes, if you don't like to ask yourself deep questions, if you want to understand only a bit more just to make money for day by day living, please stop writing and/or ignore my messages. Place me in your ignore list.

I still work for more than 25 years in a field of electronics, with high frequencies and great impulses and powers, and exactly due to this fact I have a lot more questions than maybe you and others, regarded the fundamental aspects of this world, like what really is magnetism, gravitation, electricity, fields, space, mass, matter, impulse, moment, inertia and so on. I've spent years reading alternative science, from various sources, all these compared and filtered by my own professional and social education. And I can declare very clear, that what you call science is not science at all. It is just a way to shape a reality, from a million other possible ways. A closed circle of concepts, hypotheses of work and math to shape a reality according to these concepts, circle that you are not even aware.

A single integrated circuit work on the same principle (pay attention, I said principle not ways) as work a single cell in human body and/or a single vegetable cell, or a Sun, a galaxy or the entire Universe. Just you don't have the ability do understand that. To comprehend that. Because you are too closed-minded to understand this. Too specialized in a certain field, to have time to lean on other things. You're very well adapted to contemporary society. You're in a way it's ideal result. Unfortunately! And like you are many in these times!

And Descartes is very happy now of his results! Each man on this planet try to smash everything around him, try to split the wire in four to find its internal structure, thinking this way he will understand the whole. What a lack of wisdom!

Doesn't matter if you call that thing in the middle of a magnet a Block wall or a dielectric inertial plane, or anything else. What is important is to understand why it is there! The principle! It is an effect or a cause? That's the reason I emphasize here on this topic, the work of Ken. In a closed circle of thinking as is forced to think the current human society, things are very clear separated as white and black. Or at least they are propagated over years this way, and the education make its job very well, shaping entire generations of people to think so. There is no black and white more than just human concepts, human mind interpretation of a spectra of energies. Interpretations based on education, or as I like to say based on mental blockages al subconscious level, so they are now over centuries seen as instincts and unconditional reactions. The same template can be used for all things known today as opposed, such as life-death, bad-good, breathin-breathout.... They are not opposed at all, they just necessitate each other, as only as complementary things not opposed.

God! I don't know why I waste my time to explain all these to you, because for sure you don't understand them. Or don't want to understand! However, it's fix up to you!

And yes "the dielectricity is a versor of counterspace". Why is so hard to understand that? perhaps because you are scared that if you accept and understand there is no any space besides  that one defined by the human mind, you have to reevaluate your entire system of values and references? The counterspace is the seed of the all that you can now comprehend, see, hear, feel, touch and understand. And because I see you like my repetitions, here they are:

Lesson 3 - counterspace:
- Counterspace is literally the space between space itself, the very omnipresent membrane of the Ether which requires conjugate field forces to bring it into space or create electrical or dielectric, or magnetic phenomena, or the even the creation of matter
- counterspace is the fulcrum of phenomena and is the inertial plane, or membrane of the Ether from which all phenomena are manifest in space
- Counterspace is the noumenon, which when disturbed, gives rise to phenomena
- counterspace is the opposite of space
- Counterspace is just a conceptual means of speaking about the Ether plane, where everything is produced, and all fields are based in this "medium". Tesla knew this, Steinmetz, Heaviside, Maxwell, and even the fool Einstein, before he lost his mind, agreed that understanding is impossible without the Ether
- Counterspace is the opposite of any and all movement definitionally, only phenomena (as both meant and implicative of space) have movement, are divergent

And here something from your beloved Maxwell - believe him, not me, if it constitutes a landmark in your education:
"There appears to be in the minds of these (supposed) eminent men, some prejudice, or a priori object against the hypothesis of a medium (the Ether) in which the phenomena of light, electrical actions at a distance take place…the existence of a medium in which light is propagated. But in all these theories (the insane Atomistic ones) the question naturally occurs: If something is transmitted from one particle to another at distance, what is the condition of it after it has left one particle and before it reaches another? If this
something is the potential energy of the two particles, as in Neumann’s theory, how are we to conceive of this energy existing in a point of space, coinciding with neither one particle nor the other? In fact, whenever energy is transmitted from one body to another in time, there MUST BE A MEDIUM OR SUBSTANCE IN WHICH THE ENERGY EXISTS after it leaves one body before it reaches the other, for energy, as Torricelli remarked, is a ‘quintessence of so subtle a nature that it cannot be contained in ANY vessel except in the inmost substance of a thing (counterspace/ dielectricity, the Ether)’… – J.C. Maxwell Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism vol. II"

And please consider and appreciate the fact that I limit myself to the main theme of this topic, and use quotes from related scientists or non-scientists, otherwise I could fill hundred of pages with things from centuries of unofficial researches on the eseence of things.

 

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