I think that there is an important message related to this debate.

If this forum is going to be "open minded" enough to let people post stuff that the vast majority of us would recognize as
simply completely ridiculous nonsense, then it also has to be open minded enough to let people state that it is completely
ridiculous nonsense.  In other words, it's a two-way street.

It's an even more important principle when what the person is promoting can be financially damaging or dangerous to
others if they were to undertake a nonsensical project.  There was a person promoting the B&L "energy from the ground"
pitch which involves spending a few thousand dollars on an inverter, batteries, grounding rods, and digging up your backyard.
That's a lot different than someone pitching a circuit that costs a few tens of dollars.

Here is a clip reminding all of us about the important principle of free speech and how you have to be prepared to
tolerate any "discomfort" associated with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vVohGWhMWs

For example, this whole thread is basically junk, there is no magnetic vortex.  On the "Partnered Output Coils" thread there
isn't a single posting with any definitive proof that "partnered output coils" produce over unity.  In fact, just using
rational analysis of the proposed circuits clearly shows that there is zero chance of ever seeing over unity with that
coil configuration.  That's not going to stop people from promoting it.  Likewise, it's not going to stop people from saying
that the whole concept is nonsense.  Show us the data.

So, going into 2016, keep free speech in mind.  It's all about holding ourselves to being tolerant of differing views and also
asking for real data.  There are way too many threads where people are afraid to ask for tangible results with real data.  If
somebody posts what you believe to be valid, then great, support them but don't be afraid to ask for tangible results with
real data.  If somebody posts what you believe to be crap, state that without making an attack on the person.  If you
feel strongly enough, you can attack the proposition while backing up your statements with logic and reason.

Freedom to say what you want, and also being prepared to listen to criticism, are what makes a forum a forum.

What this forum really needs is a fascist daemon process running in the background automatically deleting posted images that
are wider than 900 pixels.  That's a fascism that I think we all would welcome.

MileHigh

What this forum really needs is a fascist daemon process running in the background automatically deleting posted images that
are wider than 900 pixels.  That's a fascism that I think we all would welcome.

MileHigh

I agree with your summary, on almost all counts except there being a magnetic vortex.  We're both right, from different viewpoints. From our timeframe, there is no vortex, but since magnetism stresses the QVZPE field density and thus affects time, the vortex is out of our time frame, which is why we don't experience it. Take a gander at a couple of my prior posts, showing the temporal vortex mathematically, as well as the Japanese researcher who used ultra-high vacuum, ultra-cold temperature and an ultra-high resolution scanning microscope to capture the vortex in real time.

As for the fascist daemon process, I've seen other forums which automatically reduced the display size of images to a set maximum, and you click on them to get the full size picture. That'd be a real boon to the forum, for sure.

The Spintronic Generator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBc_kGuCJkg
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 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-spintronic-generator#/
 

Spintronic Generator is Breakthrough New Energy Technology Fort Lauderdale, FLORIDA DEC 5, 2014 – The world is running out of fossil fuels and exploration for more through fracking is destroying more than is being found.  It is clear that a new paradigm in energy production must be found and one Floridian Team may have the answer, the Spintronic Generator, and they’ve launched an IndieGoGo campaign to start manufacturing a small, extremely quiet and highly efficient Generator, primarily designed for the marine and RV (motor home) industries as a first application of the technology commercially.
The Spintronic Generator (STG) is a revolutionary approach in energy conversion bringing to the fore a technology that could solve the World’s energy problems by providing cheap, clean, safe and abundant energy that is free from enslavement to the “fossil fuel masters.
The Spintronic Generator (STG) works by producing energy utilizing quantum-reactions between the molecular electron spin and magnetic interactions. This emerging field is known as “spintronics” or spin transport electronics. The STG is self-contained, uses no fuel, is friction free and causes no pollution. Maintenance and wear are virtually nonexistent. The STG harvests electrons from its natural surroundings in its toroidal implosive field via neodymium for a clean, abundant, and demand driven output. As such, cooling is generated instead of heat during its energy generation.  The STG is easily adapted to modern manufacturing processes and materials needed for its manufacture are abundant.  Application includes automotive, maritime and aerospace. It eliminates the need for electrical substations or transmission lines and is scalable to widespread electrical distribution.

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This scientific papers my be way over your heads !!
http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/2280/[/font]
The application of an elctrical(s) impulse will generate a “sin-wave” and generate free electrons in the Ghz tange due to harmonics in the Khz range..
 
Ferrite core will on glass iron is required as to collapse that magnetic field in the Mhz range..
 
 
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Spiral structures in helical magnets… MAGNETVORTEX !!!
 
 
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http://arxiv.org/pdf/1209.6263.pdf
 
 
 
 
Spin waves are the collective oscillations of the spin system in a magnetic material.
 
Spin waves are considered as the phase propagation of the processing magnetic moments.
 
The propagation of spin waves can be understood as a spin current without involving any charge currents.
 
Spin-wave frequencies are typically observed in the gigahertz range but can also reach the terahertz regime.
 
Their wavelengths range from the millimeter down to the nanometer length scale.
 
The spin system is nonlinear system and various nonlinear phenomena can be observed for high spin-wave amplitudes.
 
Like FREE ENERGY .. in Ferrite cores see posted clips in previous post.
 
http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fphy.2015.00035/full
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Searl is a fake and even among most free energy enthusiasts they are considered a fake.  It's probably the longest con job ever in the free energy cottage industry.  They are sill begging for money and still demoing a silly pulse motor based on small outer rollers going around a bigger inner roller.

Spintronics doesn't look any better and people seem to be wising up.  The Indiegogo campaign was a failure, and they only raised $811 and they were asking for half a million.  You can do a lot of paid surfing of the net for $500,000.

The address on the Spintronics web site is a fake.  The Google Streetview image is copyright 2015 and shows an audio-visual company is at that location.  The name of the company is Trackmaster, listed as an audio-visual company.  The phone number for Spintronics is a Verizon cell phone number.

Based on my very basic searching and my gut feel, Spintronics is most likely one guy living at home in Florida, a cell phone number, and a website with a known fake business address.  Not very confidence inspiring and the alleged "magic tech" is nonsense, just like Searl is nonsense.

The Spintronics web site is looking for investors:

We are currently seeking investment partners as exclusive territory licensees, OEM’s and ODM’s.  Potential investment partners are required to make certain minimum investment in our stock as briefly described below:
Subscriptions are being accepted from foreign and accredited US investors (e.g. investors with net worth in excess of $1M or annual income exceeding $200K), as defined in Rule 501(a) of Regulation D promulgated under the Securities Act of 1933, to purchase shares of Series B Preferred Stock (which includes a Warrant) of the Corporation (the “Offering”) to finance ongoing experimental and development efforts.  Sales of shares pursuant to the offering will only be made to foreign and accredited US investors.
The Securities in this Offering have not been registered with or approved by any state securities agency; or the US Securities and Exchange Commission and are being offered and sold pursuant to an exemption from registration. No money or other consideration is being solicited or will be accepted by way of this announcement.

My recommendation is to not invest a single cent in this company.

To quote Mark Dansie, "Show me the data."

Element93rd, your number 9 looks like a chros in the crucifixion. That's lovely and not far fetched on how all of the elements of mother nature work. The number 9 is a cross of negative and positive...the number 9 has to transform to 0 and then one in the numbers. The tornadoes have a 9 in their funnels....the super massive black holes have a 9 that is called the "event horizon" and I am pretty sure by now that the number 9 is the edge of the universe because the size of the universe is the addition of a mathematical equation.

You know what amazes me about your brain? is that you are not an atheist (the rejection of a god and the lover of the atom) BUT you are the lover of a god which is the lover of nature and aliens. = learning from the outside in NOT from the inside out! Which that means, there is sooooooooooooooooooooo much to learn an understand still till billions/trillions of years more! WHat we know today, one trillion of years more will be pathetic learning! HENCE! what we know today, is not the end of the finish line! NO MATTER IF GOD TEACHING OR MATHER NATURE OR A NERD IN HIS OFFICE! NO STOP  OF TIME NOR LEARNING. HECK! time has a 12hr/24hr hand...tic toc tic toc...around the same..the human brain EVOLVES! every 12hr/24hr clock, there is an evolution/progress in the human brain 24/7. The time always stays the same! WTF? How can life evolve and the clock be the same time 24/7 for eternity?

Blah blah blah! At any rate element93rd, lets see how smart you are or how stupid you are? I think it has come to the point where you need to sho real life experiments so I can laugh at them or open my mouth wide open and be amazed! TALKING gets you so far...and then it gets retiring!

I myself do believe in aliens and do believe in multiple dimension and do believe in an ALIEN GOD...AND DO BELIEVE that humans are killing this earth. AND do believe that aliens are living in this earth. What is the ultimate solution regarding how everything is going? WELL, only the aliens will survive. I think is has been happening since millions of years ago. In the next 6th great extinction, 90% of the population will get vanished! Like a great flood and 10% in the narca of noe! This is normal because in 40 million sperm, only ONE fertilizes the egg. That is crazy isn't it? And then, out of that 40 millionth winner, that egg could be trash. Meaning, just because the winner fertilizes the egg, does not mean 100% fertilization because he could have fertilized an trash egg. = period blood.

Now I can appreciate how mother nature TESTS particles in the millions and trillions....now I am suppose to believe a one person out of the whole humanity? We need more of element93rd so we can start to paint a picture....IF this guy is an alien...then, my respects! IF this guy has mental issues, then my respects. If this guy teaches me to build a FREEEE energy device, then my respects. If this guy get me girls to make love to then my respects.

So far we are in the preliminary state of "debating" about vortexes! HECK element 93rd, what is the sound of a magnetism? Or what is the taste of magnetism when you lick a magnet?

TEACH! because I am certain you need to learn from teaching! = vortex of life!

 HERE IS THE COMPANY “SPINTRONICS GERERATOR” Inc.
 
This is the text from  : https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-spintronic-generator#/
 
 
Powerful interests have long prevented the big changes we all need in energy sources, but the Spintronic Generator technology just may open the door to a game changing nonpolluting energy source that would free us from our dependence on oil and gas.
 
HERE at the end is Mile High post about this company…What he claims is DIS-INFORMATION..
 
His data if FAKE >>there for he is FAKE … “This is a REAL COMPANY !!”
 
The Spintronic Generator (STG) is a revolutionary approach in energy conversion; a technology that could solve the World's energy problems by providing cheap, clean, safe and abundant energy that can free us from our enslavement to the "fossil fuel masters."
 
PROJECT SUMMARY:
The Spintronic Generator (STG) produces energy by utilizing quantum-reactions between the molecular electron spin and magnetic interactions. This emerging field is known as “spintronics” - spin transport electronics.  The STG is self-contained, uses no fuel, is friction free and causes no pollution. Maintenance and wear are virtually nonexistent. The STG harvests electrons from its natural surroundings in its toroidal implosive field via neodymium for a clean, abundant, and demand driven output. As such, cooling is generated instead of heat in its energy generation. Where a photon is required for a solar cell, the STG is not selective and does not share such limitations. It operates continually and exhibits superconductivity and quantum locking. The STG is easily adapted to modern manufacturing processes and materials needed for its manufacture are abundant.  Application includes automotive, maritime and aerospace. It eliminates the need for electrical substations or transmission lines and is scalable to widespread electrical distribution. The company owns the intellectual property through a US patent pending and is expanding to obtain global patents. Visit our web site at www.SpintronicGenerator.com for more information.
 
The STG device is an elegant innovative design of a linear induction motor on a circular track, riding on a magnetic bearing, able to convert random ambient (primarily the heat spectrum) and other bands of ever present radiant energy into useful uniform or coherent electrical power.  It is a unique open system device working in complete accordance with the laws of thermodynamics, albeit not yet fully researched or embraced by mainstream academia or the energy industry.
The working principle is analogous to the energy cycle of a hydroelectric power plant: With respect to harnessing water as part of an open system, instead however, the STG does it at the quantum level with electrons, whereby the reservoir of electrons is supplied by the rare earth metal, Neodymium.  The STG takes advantage of the electron’s ability to absorb and emit kinetic energy, to harness outside energy in a system that recycles those electrons for its inherent energy.
During the past few years, profound advance have also occurred in the basic knowledge concerning the behavior of sub-atomic particles and process of magnetizing various combinations of materials, the results of which have been published.  Much of this new knowledge is also directly applicable to the development of the STG project.
Most notable has been advancement in development of spintronics technology.  A particularly important class of spintronic materials are nano-engineered magnetic heterostructures (ultra-thin magnetic and non-magnetic layers) which in the past 15 years has generated a revolution in our understanding of creating, manipulating and detecting spin-polarized electrical current which makes possible new classes of spin-based sensor, memory and logic devices. 
This new field of science and technology is now commonly referred to as spintronics, which has been the key component of all magnetic hard-disk drives, which enabled their nearly 1,000-fold increase in capacity over the past 8 years.  This means that today all information in the world can be stored in digital form and accessed remotely, effectively from any part of the world: The consequences have been enormous and one can truly make the case that spintronics has made possible today's digital world. 
For these technical reasons and based on the increased knowledge now available, the chances have greatly increased that "someone" will be successful in demonstrating a compact and commercially viable "magnetic generator." The increasing emphasis on "Green" alternative energy technologies, their applications and uses, together with public attitudes toward reducing our dependence on fossil fuels, contribute to our commitment toward the development of this technology.
From the proof of concept hardware already demonstrated and the experiments and research disciplines now in place, and the indications of the recent experiments, applying spintronics technology, we feel that Spintronic Tech Group is well positioned to utilize these newly available materials and technology that will lead to successful commercialization of the STG.
 
Statement by Philip H. Talbert, Chairman-CEO

Spintronic Tech Group (STG),  is vigorously involved in the development of a patent pending Spintronic Generator (STG).  The STG is based on “kinetic magnetism” that Dr. Paul M. Brown had experimented with when he was with Peripheral Systems, a  company for which I was CEO back in the 1980s.  The device Paul built was essentially a result of his extensive research of the earlier work of  Nikola Tesla, Alfred Hubbard, T. Henry Moray, and John R. R. Searl.  Paul’s device, which was only about the size of a laptop computer, generated an enormous amount of electricity (almost a megawatt of power) before he was forced to short it to ground in an effort to stop the runaway condition, resulting in a fire.
Regrettably, at that time I had to discourage Paul from continuing further research on this technology since our company's board of directors wanted him to focus his efforts on the development of the Resonant Nuclear Battery that he had invented. Moreover, since we were a public company with our stock traded on NASDAQ and the Pacific Stock Exchange, we were rather concerned about possible controversial publicity that might ensue relative to the "anti-gravity" anomalies that had been reported involving the Searl Technology that, of course, Paul was most interested in.
I became involved with this technology again in early 2012 at the request of an investment group, headed up by our Chief Operations Officer, Capt. Kirk G. Miller, that had invested in Searl Magnetics, Inc. (SMI), a company  owned by John Searl and a business partner who purported to be an engineer, and was attempting to redevelop Searl’s SEG.  They asked me to serve as Chairman-CEO of STI, a newly formed holding company, and to re-structure the company, resulting in SMI becoming a subsidiary which was to include the rights to develop and license Searl’s technology.  We subsequently learned however, that SMI did not own these rights since Searl had already signed over the rights to D.I.S.C. Inc., a New York corporation in 1995.  D.I.S.C. is owned and controlled by John A. Thomas, Jr., a former long time partner of Searl,  Subsequently We were able to negotiate the legal assignment of these rights to STI from D.I.S.C, and it is important to note that such agreement was also signed by John Searl himself at the time of the assignment to STI.  Thereafter, John Thomas also became a part of our team.
After several months, it had become quite clear that advanced age and serious health issues had taken their toll on John Searl.  Moreover, his business partner  had blown through well over $600,000 with no material progress toward development of the SEG, and had been engaging in felonious activities that could have resulted in serious problems for STI, and its continuing ability to raise adequate financing down the line.  Accordingly, in early 2014 the Shareholders of STI voted unanimously to rescind all agreements with SMI, but STI did retain all of its rights to the Searl technology acquired from D.I.S.C.  We had also come to the conclusion that there seemed to be a definitive pattern, based on Searl’s existing and previous business relationships, that perhaps answers the question as to why Searl's SEG has never been redeveloped in more than fifty years from the time he purported to have first built it!
Fortunately, I had been able to locate a large portion of Dr. Brown's notes and related information relative to the kinetic magnetic device he had built back in 1986,  Accordingly, we have raised additional funding and are now in the process and concentrating our efforts on developing the STG utilizing certain nano materials and techniques that have only recently become available to us.  This research and development is going forward under the direction of Capt. Kirk Miller with Bruce Parsons, Ph.D. as Chief Investigator.  Dr. Parsons is a very capable and brilliant scientist and engineer, and prototyping is well under way for this important game changing technology.
By the way, one of the perks we are offering for your participation in our campaign is a copy of my book "The Half-Life of a Nuclear Battery,"  that relates a true story about how powerful interests have been able to suppress important similar game changing technology that was invented by the brilliant Dr. Paul M. Brown in the 1980's.
 
THESE  men are REAL ….
 
 
Mile High is fake.. DISINFORMATION.. agent !!!
 
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ACCA MILE HIGH IS RIGHT !!!


How So....

Acca...

BTW the electron is ...

http://www.photonics.com/Article.aspx?AID=57420

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Pseudoparticles Find Crucial Role in Energy ConversionKARLSRUHE, Germany, May 15, 2015 — Pseudoparticles could help make more efficient the conversion of light into storable energy, ushering in the potential for a decisive sustainable energy supply.



and here is a post by: Warren York ..to this article

We have been able to do a similar process with our "Energy Cell" and so has a University with solar cells. Getting over-unity seemingly from the normal photoelectric effect or in the cell voltaic effect. The University thought the process was due to supersaturation however they still got over-unity effects without finding any trace of any supersaturation. I find the actual process comes from the Quantum level and will produce results found in both the photon process and the electron process. Anybody interested may contact us at psientific@charter.net for details.
5/21/2015 2:36:09 PM - WARREN YORK


Here is an article by Warren York.. in time of the electron...

http://www.rense.com/general66/solid.htm

[/font] Mike Windell and Warren York had found a way to use a unique plasma discharge to modify crystalline structures. York said the local university verified that electron orbits subjected to it were altered in a way that would normally have required extreme heat or dangerous radiation. Are they instead working with emerg­ing scientific techniques? It seems so.
 The knowledge base of these independent researchers is being put to use in the crystal cells. After they analyze factors, such as if one crystal will shield another’s effects, the team will know if they have the Holy Grail of energy. They have had cells working for more than 13 years. At this time the team is only talking about the possibility of pow­ering portable devices which draw little current, not electric heaters or stoves. However, Windell believes it could be up scaled to multi-kilowatt devices.[/font]