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### Author Topic: MY PATENTED DEVICE DOES NOT WORK!  (Read 25906 times)

#### mr2

• Jr. Member
• Posts: 52
##### Re: MY PATENTED DEVICE DOES NOT WORK!
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2016, 02:17:33 AM »
The world is loaded with explainers of the obviously...
But not able to knowing why...

Capacitors are not rated in Watts and neither are batteries. The Watt is NOT a unit of energy, it is a unit of POWER. You must understand the difference. A Watt is one Joule of energy per second. That is, one Joule of ENERGY passing your point of measurement in one second. If you have that same one Joule of energy passing your measurement point in 0.1 second, you have 10 Watts of power. If it passes in 0.01 second, you have 100 Watts of power. One Joule of energy can represent megawatts of power if it happens in a short enough time interval (a microsecond or less).

A Joule, on the other hand, is one Watt-second. One Watt of power, sustained for a period of one second, requires one Joule of energy. And so on.

Voltage is not energy, current is not energy, power is not energy. Only _energy_ is the conserved quantity among these variables.

#### TinselKoala

• Hero Member
• Posts: 13958
##### Re: MY PATENTED DEVICE DOES NOT WORK!
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2016, 05:33:30 AM »
The world is loaded with explainers of the obviously...
But not able to knowing why...

We heal, we reflect, we are reborn. Consciousness consists of ultra-sentient particles of quantum energy. “Quantum” means an evolving of the non-local. This life is nothing short of a summoning revolution of unified wisdom. Without truth, one cannot vibrate. How should you navigate this perennial nexus? The solar system is calling to you via bio-electricity. Can you hear it? Child, look within and unify yourself.

We are at a crossroads of hope and discontinuity. We are in the midst of an unified blossoming of transformation that will enable us to access the quantum matrix itself. Throughout history, humans have been interacting with the totality via ultrasonic energy.

Soon there will be a blossoming of truth the likes of which the quantum soup has never seen. It is a sign of things to come. The future will be an authentic evolving of insight.
It is in deepening that we are guided.

It can be difficult to know where to begin. Although you may not realize it, you are sublime. If you have never experienced this lightning bolt at the speed of light, it can be difficult to grow. Kabala may be the solution to what’s holding you back from an unimaginable harmonizing of faith. As you reflect, you will enter into infinite potential that transcends understanding. You will soon be recreated by a power deep within yourself — a power that is mythic, internal.

#### sm0ky2

• Hero Member
• Posts: 3845
##### Re: MY PATENTED DEVICE DOES NOT WORK!
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2016, 08:10:29 AM »
@ MR 2

I think you are missing the conceptual premise behind what you are doing.

we can shorten the duty cycle of power going into a device. this is for certain.
and most of our devices, the way we use them, are very inefficient by design.
things like storing the energy in capacitors, or a flywheel, or shortening the pulse time with a Joule Thief, etc.
these tricks can make our use more efficient.

But you are not creating any sort of "overunity" when you do this.

I will try to explain.

A motor, when given a steady power input, of maximum potential, has a given torque potential over time, vs the RPM.
meaning, under a heavy load, all of the energy sent into the motor can be converted into motive force.

When you operate a motor at a lower duty cycle, meaning, you put less energy over time through the coils.....
you lose some % of this torque over time.
it is a precisely inversely proportional relationship.

the same motor, when run through your device, under heavy load, you will see the loss of power over time.

just running the motor, at a certain rpm, or turning a small fan, this does not load the motor. you cannot see the power you lose.
what you see, is a more efficient method of turning the motor to a given rpm. basically, uselessly fooling yourself.

if all you do is run a fan, or some low-power use of the motor,.
sure, do what you are doing, and you can save "energy" cost of running that motor.
this is because we waste a lot of energy to turn that fan. you make it more efficient by shortening the duty cycle.
a joule thief will do the same thing when connected to a motor, or visible lighting.

it is only under constant heavy load, that the motor is strained enough to observe how the total energy over time is lower.

test this, and you will see what I am talking about.

• Hero Member
• Posts: 1843
##### Re: MY PATENTED DEVICE DOES NOT WORK!
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2016, 08:51:14 AM »
What I say will be very disturbing for mr2, but I have to say it, because mr2 is the perfect example:

mr2 wasted 12 or at least 7 years because he did not discuss his "invention" publicly with the people who would have told him 12 years ago where his error is (making a motor more efficient at low power, for which the motor was not designed).

mr2 got lost in ill-designed tests because he always feared that someone would take away his "invention" or "discovery". He avoided to consult the right experts, because he wanted to hold up his dream.

I saw this behaviour in many "inventors", in all fields of technology. Specially the "field of OU contraptions" attracts people who think they have something others will take away from them. They forget, that if it were such a miracle, it would be taken away no matter what they do. You can never protect a miracle machine, it would just be too important for everybody not to take it by force or at least by deception or fraud.

It is also typical with what ferocity and pertinence the "inventors" defend their brain child, no matter what experts tell them. The experts are always accused of being part of a grand conspiracy against humankind and the inventor in particular. Legions of researchers have been wrong, only the "inventor" finally has seen the light (although he is no expert in the field of his "invention").

Let mr2's story be a teaching. If you think to have discovered something extraordinary, discuss it openly with the real experts and forget patents and secrecy. The last 200 years of technology have taught us, that it is most likely you have made a conceptual error which many have made before you.

Sorry mr2, you are giving a perfect example which should not be overlooked by future "inventors of miracles".

@TinselKoala: I finally can master my life by nipping from the Quantum soup. It was almost too late for me, but you saved me. Why have you not told me sooner? You probably tried to patent this wisdom? And now you want to save your dark soul by doing good.

#### mr2

• Jr. Member
• Posts: 52
##### Re: MY PATENTED DEVICE DOES NOT WORK!
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2017, 12:47:31 AM »
What I say will be very disturbing for mr2, but I have to say it, because mr2 is the perfect example:

mr2 wasted 12 or at least 7 years because he did not discuss his "invention" publicly with the people who would have told him 12 years ago where his error is (making a motor more efficient at low power, for which the motor was not designed).

mr2 got lost in ill-designed tests because he always feared that someone would take away his "invention" or "discovery". He avoided to consult the right experts, because he wanted to hold up his dream.

I saw this behaviour in many "inventors", in all fields of technology. Specially the "field of OU contraptions" attracts people who think they have something others will take away from them. They forget, that if it were such a miracle, it would be taken away no matter what they do. You can never protect a miracle machine, it would just be too important for everybody not to take it by force or at least by deception or fraud.

It is also typical with what ferocity and pertinence the "inventors" defend their brain child, no matter what experts tell them. The experts are always accused of being part of a grand conspiracy against humankind and the inventor in particular. Legions of researchers have been wrong, only the "inventor" finally has seen the light (although he is no expert in the field of his "invention").

Let mr2's story be a teaching. If you think to have discovered something extraordinary, discuss it openly with the real experts and forget patents and secrecy. The last 200 years of technology have taught us, that it is most likely you have made a conceptual error which many have made before you.

Sorry mr2, you are giving a perfect example which should not be overlooked by future "inventors of miracles".

@TinselKoala: I finally can master my life by nipping from the Quantum soup. It was almost too late for me, but you saved me. Why have you not told me sooner? You probably tried to patent this wisdom? And now you want to save your dark soul by doing good.

Said to Sheldon Cooper: "You can't say people are stupid!! Say you're sorry!!"
Sheldon Cooper: "I'm sorry you're stupid!!"

Sorry to say, it works. And universities versified it. I just didn't pay any attention to this forum.
Was looking for another email alert, and this one paid my attention.

The title when writing this was only a click-bait.
And @conradelektro has no clue whatsoever..

#### mr2

• Jr. Member
• Posts: 52
##### Re: MY PATENTED DEVICE DOES NOT WORK!
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2017, 12:58:37 AM »
And just to clearify, I just don't care about ignorants with theoretical arguments.
Overunity does not need to be explained. Just do it. If it runs forever, you do NOT need to explain that it runs forever.
No maths, no graphs.. no nothing. Put a energy supply without mains and let it run.. if it never stops.. you have it.. if it stops.. sorry..
And there's thousands of messages with "how to"...
The Earth is flat.. and I can proove it. See to the horizont.. there is the end of the world and you will fall...

• Sr. Member
• Posts: 384
##### Re: MY PATENTED DEVICE DOES NOT WORK!
« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2017, 10:53:10 PM »
Thanks mr2. I just caught this thread a few days ago. Your patent works.

You never claimed it was OU, did you.

.

#### forest

• Hero Member
• Posts: 4022
##### Re: MY PATENTED DEVICE DOES NOT WORK!
« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2017, 12:51:23 AM »
magnetic field is overunity

#### antijon

• Full Member
• Posts: 230
##### Re: MY PATENTED DEVICE DOES NOT WORK!
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2017, 02:54:12 PM »
Webby, I was thinking about your first simple circuit, what is it used for? To make an inverter? I thought the same way as the OP, at first. If you put a light bulb and capacitor in series, you light the bulb and charge the cap, then if you break the supply and short the bulb/cap you use the same energy twice. It seems like the same power could be used twice, but that's not the case. As the voltage is divided between the bulb and cap, the total output power is going to equal the input power. So what's the purpose of the inductor in the circuit? Just to smooth the output?

As for the demo videos, the excess noise in the first fan is caused by underloading the motor, as smoky said. Because the RPM is based on line frequency, underloading causes the motor to try to spin faster, and as the polarity changes the rotor has to snap back to its proper location. This causes over amping and noise. It's common in PSC motors with a capacitor on the start winding. If the capacitor is too large, it pulls too much amps and makes a loud hum. Also leads to the motor overheating.

• Hero Member
• Posts: 1843
##### Re: MY PATENTED DEVICE DOES NOT WORK!
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2017, 04:35:40 PM »

Overunity does not need to be explained. Just do it. If it runs forever, you do NOT need to explain that it runs forever.
No maths, no graphs.. no nothing. Put a energy supply without mains and let it run.. if it never stops.. you have it.. if it stops.. sorry..

I agree completely with your argument (show that it does not stop and no further theoretical explanations will be necessary).

So, does your contraption (motor) never stop?

This is the only thing you have to show. Can you demonstrate that your contraption never stops? If not, sorry!

#### mr2

• Jr. Member
• Posts: 52
##### Re: MY PATENTED DEVICE DOES NOT WORK!
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2017, 08:45:51 PM »

I agree completely with your argument (show that it does not stop and no further theoretical explanations will be necessary).

So, does your contraption (motor) never stop?

This is the only thing you have to show. Can you demonstrate that your contraption never stops? If not, sorry!

Actually, I do not know.. I can't. There's no-one wanting to do that. You can do that, Conrad? If not, you're sorry!

But what I know: I got a notice of being charged by the authorities of false references if I used the name of a professor of NTNU (www.ntnu.no) if I used his name as a reference.

The theory is easy;
A capacitor is like a bucket. You move energy / water to the capacitor / bucket.
You can move the energy / water to wherever you want.

A bucket / capacitor can be filled at any speed. You use a funnel to restrict speed to fill the bucket. You use a resistor to restrict the speed to fill the capacitor.

The funnel make you waste time. The resistor can be changed to a motor making work. You "waste" time by running a motor.

And the capacitor paradox is wrong. There is no paradox. The formula is wrong.

#### mr2

• Jr. Member
• Posts: 52
##### Re: MY PATENTED DEVICE DOES NOT WORK!
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2017, 09:30:03 PM »
Webby, I was thinking about your first simple circuit, what is it used for? To make an inverter? I thought the same way as the OP, at first. If you put a light bulb and capacitor in series, you light the bulb and charge the cap, then if you break the supply and short the bulb/cap you use the same energy twice. It seems like the same power could be used twice, but that's not the case. As the voltage is divided between the bulb and cap, the total output power is going to equal the input power. So what's the purpose of the inductor in the circuit? Just to smooth the output?

As for the demo videos, the excess noise in the first fan is caused by underloading the motor, as smoky said. Because the RPM is based on line frequency, underloading causes the motor to try to spin faster, and as the polarity changes the rotor has to snap back to its proper location. This causes over amping and noise. It's common in PSC motors with a capacitor on the start winding. If the capacitor is too large, it pulls too much amps and makes a loud hum. Also leads to the motor overheating.

You can't use a bulb as an direct comparison as you need a step-up voltager. A motor works as it's best as when a magnetic pole is passed. And you need the pulse at it's best push. That a capacitor can do. Not a constant voltage. Or current. You waste energy when the magnetic pole is passed.

#### mr2

• Jr. Member
• Posts: 52
##### Re: MY PATENTED DEVICE DOES NOT WORK!
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2017, 10:02:48 PM »
@ MR 2

I think you are missing the conceptual premise behind what you are doing.

we can shorten the duty cycle of power going into a device. this is for certain.
and most of our devices, the way we use them, are very inefficient by design.
things like storing the energy in capacitors, or a flywheel, or shortening the pulse time with a Joule Thief, etc.
these tricks can make our use more efficient.

But you are not creating any sort of "overunity" when you do this.

I will try to explain.

A motor, when given a steady power input, of maximum potential, has a given torque potential over time, vs the RPM.
meaning, under a heavy load, all of the energy sent into the motor can be converted into motive force.

When you operate a motor at a lower duty cycle, meaning, you put less energy over time through the coils.....
you lose some % of this torque over time.
it is a precisely inversely proportional relationship.

the same motor, when run through your device, under heavy load, you will see the loss of power over time.

just running the motor, at a certain rpm, or turning a small fan, this does not load the motor. you cannot see the power you lose.
what you see, is a more efficient method of turning the motor to a given rpm. basically, uselessly fooling yourself.

if all you do is run a fan, or some low-power use of the motor,.
sure, do what you are doing, and you can save "energy" cost of running that motor.
this is because we waste a lot of energy to turn that fan. you make it more efficient by shortening the duty cycle.
a joule thief will do the same thing when connected to a motor, or visible lighting.

it is only under constant heavy load, that the motor is strained enough to observe how the total energy over time is lower.

test this, and you will see what I am talking about.

I have to agree, to a point.
When loading a motor 100% there is no savings. For now. There is no interest of saving energy. 90% of my country have seen my invention and the politics say: Why do we need to save energy?
We can't tax that..
Even Bellona that many of you might know about said: Good luck! Who really care about "free energy".. ?

But my invention saved energy on the BEST motors from any manufacturers, even 1 BILL USD investments done of ELCO in Italy.

http://www.elco-spa.com/
Even the papst motors.

Been there, didn't get any response.. "not invented here..."