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Author Topic: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator  (Read 21441 times)

Offline hanon

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Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« on: July 07, 2014, 08:03:04 PM »
Hi all,

There is a spanish patent about an overunity generator filed in 1955 by David Hogan and Carlos Ludovik Jakovlewich (patent ES0225316) where authors clearly claim overunity performance.  In this patent the intermediate "coil" is motionless and two moving magnets excite the induced circuit, one in each side of the intermediate "coil" (or "grid" as it is called in the patent text).

The only surprising feature is that induction is forced to appear between two opposite magnets (poles facing north-south) exciting an intermediate "grid".

I wonder if induction in case of using two opposite magnets is able to perform in overunity mode, compared with common induction, in generators, with just one magnet exciting the induced. The patent seem to be very simple to replicate. It is so simple that it is difficult to think about filing the patent just as a trial. It was very easy for the authors to build the generator, testit and see the results. I don´t have data whether the authors got this device running as claimed or not.

I attach the orginal patent in Spanish (pdf) but I have just translated the claims. With the claims and the drawings is easy to understand the configuration of the generator:


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CLAIMS SPANISH PATENT ES225316

The authors claim in this patent:

1) New electric generator characterized by the existence of series of discs, variable in number and in dimension, susceptible to host "magnets".

2) New electric generator according to claim 1 characterized in that the series of discs are mounted on a shaft in parallel arrangement ; the shaft rests on its sides over bearings. This arrangement of supporting bearings allows its extension if required.

3 ) New electric generator according to claims 1 and 2, wherein the "magnets" located in the discs must be placed parallely on the shaft. These discs, spaced, will allow that the poles of the magnets (magnetos) of each disc are facing "north-south" (opposition of poles).

4) New electric generator according to claims 1 to 3, characterized in that between the discs (series of two) a stationary or fixed screen or sieve (grids) of copper wire or any other electroconductive material, enamelled and covered with insulation, is placed.

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In the description it is clearly stated that the authors are describing an overunity generator where a part of the energy produced could be used to power the machine and the rest could be used externally for other uses.
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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2014, 07:05:28 AM »
Hi Folks !! Some people beginning to work on it, first test promising, still a lot to do

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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2014, 09:59:53 AM »
Hi all,
 
The most intriguing fact is that the Hogan - Jakovlewich overunity generator is based on the same concept as one of the patents from Clemente Figuera. One of the designs by Figuera (Spanish Patent No. 30376, the generatorn with a rotary coil) is also based on the concept of placing the induced coil between two inducer electromagnets.
 
In Figuera´s generator the stationary part are the electromagnets and the moving part is the induced coil
 
Again we find that Figuera also proposed a induced circuit placed BETWEEN TWO OPPOSITE MAGNETS.
 
Would we find some special behaviour in this kind of arrangement?
 
I attach the link to the Figuera´s patent No. 30376:
 
http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/figuera_30376.pdf
 
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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2014, 11:33:07 AM »
hello hanon
would you please attach here a PDF with the full patent, or a link to download it ?
In the image you posted the disc magnets seem to be magnetized diametrically, and the induced seems to
be winded through the full diameter. . . very intriguing
thanks
Alvaro

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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2014, 02:47:53 PM »
Hi Alvaro,
 
I had posted the patent text in PDF in the first post of this thread. The file is just linked in the upper part of the drawing in post #1
 
 
IMO, Maybe the key in this device is the configuration of the intermediate “grid” (as they called), because the author did not give any details of this “grid” in the whole patent text. (radial?, circular?,…)
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Offline ALVARO_CS

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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2014, 08:10:28 PM »
@Hanon: thanks, I missed it.

@pedro: this toroidal coil in your pic, is it with an iron core or wood core ?
            In your tests do you get AC or variable DC ?

I,m working myself in a small scale prototype made with junk parts out of two car starter motor electromagnets, and two magnets from a microwave oven.

I can see you already got neo magnets, in case you need a provider,
there is a german company with cheap prices (sent by post for just 9 €)   http://www.supermagnete.es/index.php
saludos
Alvaro

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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2014, 07:50:49 AM »
Hi Alvaro, are you Spanish?
Yes i bought the magnets at this site but are many also in Spain and more fast to deliver.
I tried both air core and iron core, with the air core you must to make an wood coil about 2 cm wide or more if not  coil will not produce, if you don't use diodes of course its AC. Iron core is best the problem is that you must to build a strong center coil frame supporter otherwise you'll have a lot of problem with magnets.
Definitively the coil must to be radial, if you do a little research you'll find that the magnetic field out of a toroidal radial coil is zero. This is not the case of Rodin coil and others. This is not new guys toroidal coil generators have been around since 1850's and they are the best for free energy cause it doesn't matter if you take 5w, 50w or 500w its always the same torque in the rotor.
I'm now in other projects and don't have a lot of time but if someone is interested go for it, it will take you a couple of hundred hours  but i will work as claimed in the patent, I don't know other free energy generator as simple, cheap and easy to build as this.


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Offline ALVARO_CS

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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2014, 10:00:23 AM »
Hi pedro
yes spanish living in Malaga (born Valencia)

may you post the link to your mags provider in Spain ? (or mail me or also we can speak via phone)
saludos
Alvaro

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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2014, 12:20:15 PM »
Hi all,
 
The most intriguing fact is that the Hogan - Jakovlewich overunity generator is based on the same concept as one of the patents from Clemente Figuera. One of the designs by Figuera (Spanish Patent No. 30376, the generatorn with a rotary coil) is also based on the concept of placing the induced coil between two inducer electromagnets.
 
In Figuera´s generator the stationary part are the electromagnets and the moving part is the induced coil
 
Again we find that Figuera also proposed a induced circuit placed BETWEEN TWO OPPOSITE MAGNETS.
 
Would we find some special behaviour in this kind of arrangement?
 
I attach the link to the Figuera´s patent No. 30376:
 
http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/figuera_30376.pdf
 
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Almost there hanon ! Something seems broken in picture though ; how is the interior excitary electromagnet powered ? It should be on not movable frame tied back with external excitary electromagnets, probably connected in series of many wires but enough to get strong magnetic field yet with moderate amperage.That is first essencial part, second is to rotate fast the drum-coil. Almost no Lenz drag. I see it in my mindperfectly , it's very efficient.

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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2014, 02:30:17 PM »
 
 Hogan and Jakovlewich generator seems to be like two homopolar generators one in front of each other, with opposite poles in each side of the intermediate grid.

I wonder if this configuration with two homopolar generators will get any special effect which may avoid any dragging on the inducer discs.

I haven´t yet had time to test it 

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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2014, 04:25:34 PM »
@hanon:


It's not clear to me if the center "grid" is one continuous coil? How do you have yours?


sincerely,
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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2014, 09:20:51 AM »
 
Hi all,
 
I have translated the whole patent text from the Hogan Jakovlewich document into english in order that anyone may read it and understand it.
 
Please have a look. Really interesting !!!
 
Regards,
 
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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2014, 12:25:40 PM »
Hi all,

I think that the principle under Hogan and Jakovlewich generator is the same as in one of the Clemente Figuera´s patent. I am referring to Figuera´s patent Nr. 30376 (year 1902), the one with the rotary induced circuit and stationary internal and external electromagnets (Link to pdf).In this patent a SINGLE MOVING WIRE crosses between TWO OPPOSITE MAGNET POLES. According to Figuera´s patent text this configuration produces electricity without dragging the movement of the induced wire.

The key for avoiding dragging is the use of two opposite poles to generate the induction in the intermediate wire:  N -- | -- S  ; in contrast with common generators with just one pole exposed to the induced wire.

       1- A wire is settle into a moving magnet system, between two opposite poles: North and South

       2- As a consequence an induce current will appear in the wire

       3- This induced current generates a magnetic field (B) around the wire

       4- One pole (let´s say  N pole) will repel the wire because of magnetic repulsion with the magnetic field in the wire (creating a drag). But the other pole ( S pole in our example) will attract the wire (magnetic attraction between the S pole and the wire)

       5- Therefore the net sum of both forces (repulsion + attraction) will be null and the wire finally will be moved without any drag while at the same time will generate an induced current.

       6- The force of repulsion suffered in one disc (magnet 1) and the force of attraction done in the other disc (magnet 2) will be transmited to the common shaft. Therefore the net sum over the shaft will be cancelled and the machine will rotate without any drag.

I think it is as simple as explained here. Figuera also stated that he could not believe how such a simple principle had not been used before him.

Hogan and Jakovlewich patent requires two opposite magnets instead of just one. All Figuera´s patents are based also on the induction created between two electromagnets, instead of common induction with just one pole exposed. IMHO, This is the key of his discovery.

I attach an sketch with the representation of this principle. Please study this sketch and tell your comments. Both patents (Figuera and Hogan & Jakovlewich) share the same principle, and both patent are representing an overunity generator withoudt dragging. Please have a look into Figuera thread in the next link:

http://www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg413741/#msg413741


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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2014, 04:31:01 AM »
Hanon, you really find some amazing stuff. Thanks for translating and sharing so much information.

After reviewing the patent and going over the Lorentz force associated with it, I decided to draw my interpretation of how it should be made. I noticed in the patent, the final drawing with the "grid" and the + and -, I think they purposely drew it to be misleading... as we know with a homopolar generator, the current will only move radially, and, if it were made as it was drawn would produce no results. However, with a rectangular coil mounted coaxially on the shaft, current will be generated. The coil would resemble a flat, rectangular, pancake coil.

This makes me laugh at all the time I spent thinking about homopolar generators and trying to achieve more voltage. This design is so simple, and stackable, and because voltage is related to velocity, this could really be a powerful generator.

About your thoughts on a dragless rotor... You may be right. To me, it seems the fields ahead of the wire would drag it, while the fields behind the wire would accelerate it. If the two are equal, which they are, they should cancel. Just my thoughts.

Offline hanon

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Re: Hogan and Jakovlewich overunity generator
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2014, 12:38:26 AM »
I think the easier implementation is just with one simple grid (normal grid) between two disc. Each disc having the same pole in its whole area.

This is a disc with all N poles and the opposite with S poles in order to produce DC

Figures in patent some times try to mislead. I agree with you that the "grid" in the patent sketch must be wrong. The important part is not the figures but the device described in the claims which is the part that has legal validity

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