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Title: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on June 28, 2014, 03:23:23 PM
Hi All,

 I have decided to start a open forum on air engine that use propane to drive a close loop system.

This is the only way for me to keep this technology out in the open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BUsnaPrjTw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BUsnaPrjTw)

What is your opinion?

Tom
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: Kator01 on June 28, 2014, 07:22:35 PM
Hello Tom,

here I found a german Company with good educational-vids in english

http://www.secop.com/de/the-refrigerant-circuit.html (http://www.secop.com/de/the-refrigerant-circuit.html)

http://www.secop.com/de/the-compressor.html (http://www.secop.com/de/the-compressor.html)

http://www.secop.com/de/secop-kappa-animation-912x514.html (http://www.secop.com/de/secop-kappa-animation-912x514.html)

Manifacturing Processes:
http://www.secop.com/de/production.html (http://www.secop.com/de/production.html)

Sales & distribution of compresso-units:

http://www.secop.com/de/kontakt/verkaufsbueros.html (http://www.secop.com/de/kontakt/verkaufsbueros.html)

Why not visit a dump and look for an old fridge ?

Regards

Kator01
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on June 29, 2014, 03:32:06 AM
Hello All,

 First let me thank Chris Hunter for information on this propane IC engine project, even if I'm going down a different path with this build.

I just wanted everyone to know that I'm going with basic Air type engines and have already set up a efficient compressor system.

I am doing open source with my air engine design and how I will use the propane to dive the motor.

If I offend anyone by going rogue, I am sorry but too much ego for me on this forum.

Again, thank you Chris Hunter I have started to give you the credit on my videos with the propane theories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW7z9EeQp3E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW7z9EeQp3E)


Tom...
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on June 29, 2014, 04:12:25 AM
This is another engine design called the Propane LP Jet Engine.

Input Please...

Tom
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on June 29, 2014, 07:55:26 PM
Hi All,

 I just finished the propane pump assy.

I also add the radiator to act as the expansion and condenser of gas to liquid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogzxzW5WFEw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogzxzW5WFEw)

Tom
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: Rigel4 on June 29, 2014, 10:40:37 PM
As always amazing, I often wonder what your day job is. Are you trying to use this as a heat pump to harvest the expansion? Or just drive the ram? Propane refrigerators are very efficient.
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on June 29, 2014, 11:04:27 PM
Hi Rigel4,

 I have worked on many types of jobs , building houses, mechanics, welding ,designing , engineering and special projects, I'm mostly retire at 50 now to enjoy my life.

I will do side jobs here and there, but my life is set to enjoy what I love to do build stuff.

I been down the long road with 90+hours per week making money, and could never enjoy life. You don't have to be rich with cash, Knowledge is true power of life. Money is a ego that the Government wants from us all any way.

I got my house a few years ago in N. Pa for 14k, paid cash and fixing it up here and there. Not having large payments is the key to a good life, I moved from Florida where taxes and the cost of living is out of control.

This was a smart move, even if it's cold in the winter time.

Thanks..




Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on June 30, 2014, 02:50:42 AM
Hi All,

Ok, I Got some data to compress up to 120 psi @20amps or 2200 watts = 2.94hp of mechanical load.

This will change when fill with propane, it should be less energy.

Enjoy this test...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH4MxSBriag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH4MxSBriag)

Tom.
 
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: countrymatt on June 30, 2014, 03:13:22 AM
Not trying to hijack your thread, but thought this information may help.

I do have a thought on using the single radiator. Keep in mind that the thermal energy collected in the engine during expansion will have to be dissipated after compression. I've been looking at this system as a waste heat engine. The more heat you bring in then you have to get it back out too in order to recompress the propane and have it liquefy. What I'm thinking is a water jacket heater on the engine to have environment/waste heat in. What I'm thinking is a stationary setup that uses surplus heat in my attic to run the system. Here's what I've thought of as my ideal thermal cycle between the water and LP.

Water cycle: Water begins in a waste heat collector in the attic. It is pumped to the engine using the mechanical energy of the shaft or electrical power if required. After transmitting the heat to the engine it goes through a counter flow chiller and returns to the waste heat collector.

LP cycle: liquid propane begins in the collector and expands in the engine absorbing ambient and waste heat and is then recompressed. The compressed gas flows first through an ambient temperature heat exchanger then flows the opposing direction through the counter flow chiller. Ending back at the collector on the engine.

Justification: After the heat of compression is released, the coldest possible component in the thermal cycle is then used to chill the working fluid below ambient temperature. Which in turn reduces the pressure required to liquefy it and preheats the water before it returns to the waste heat collector. On the flip side, cooling the propane below ambient temperature requires more energy for it to expand at the same rate

CountryMatt
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on June 30, 2014, 07:02:34 PM
Hi All,

 To make a propane or air running engine in a efficient way, I have design a simple 3 way linear valve.

Take a look at this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7WOoMjY4DA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7WOoMjY4DA)

Tom.
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on July 01, 2014, 02:35:58 AM
Hi All,

 I'm testing a air run on this valve I design, if everything works out I will put in on the ac system and test run using the compressor before adding propane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1dvGFoL6lM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1dvGFoL6lM)

Tom  (http://www.overunityresearch.com/Smileys/Alive/cheesy.gif)
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on July 03, 2014, 03:37:29 AM
Hi All,


I did a test run and my electric valves are not fast enough, just wanted to make shore before I go back to mechanical linear valves.

I also found that my 1/4 input ports are too small, need 1/2 or better, this will allow better flow of expanding gas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42CjyHjMfxg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42CjyHjMfxg)




Tom
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on July 04, 2014, 03:39:07 AM
This is a IC engine running much faster, but lots of cfm. (http://www.overunityresearch.com/Smileys/Alive/afro.gif)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ0e-kM27CM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ0e-kM27CM)

Tom.
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on July 04, 2014, 06:29:04 PM
Hi All,

OK, now there just might be something to a close loop system wiith a IC engine.   8)

This is the first test using the AC compressor to compress air to run the IC engine two stroke design.

Enjoy the show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa_4cxA84cU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa_4cxA84cU)

Tom  :o
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on July 05, 2014, 06:08:24 PM
Hi All,

OK this is the best way to convert linear into direct rotational energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNm6IcQdK-8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNm6IcQdK-8)

Tom
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on July 06, 2014, 12:41:14 AM
Hi All,

This is a test of the ratchet engine producing about 50 rpm,s with a single piston stroke at 100 psi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcKkmUv8ZQE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcKkmUv8ZQE)

Tom
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: ramset on July 06, 2014, 02:34:34 PM
Tom
I have been sharing your work here also


http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/17019-chris-hunter-alaska-star-releases-o-u-pdf-2.html#post260783


thx
Chet
ps any problems with the "sharing" let me know...
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on July 06, 2014, 03:09:25 PM
Hi Chet,

I have no problem with my experiment on any forum.

Energy is going though the roof, if this work I know I won't have to pay a dime to these greedy money sucking pigs anymore.

Making your own energy is true power to the people, lets not forget true freedom also!

If we are going to change the world, then we must not look for dollars as a reward. Governments control the money systems to, and they will control you.

Even if this is not Over Unity,  just making your own energy at a low cost is still a threat to power companies.

Wonder why they don't push solar energy any more, it's free energy when the sun is out, last time I check GOD did not send me a light bill.

We all need to wake up and stop playing with the system that ends in total control and wars we do not need!
 
Laws are put in place to control free thinking people, while Government brain wash people to think they serve their country as they die for those that are in power for greed.

Just my rant today!

Tom...

Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on July 06, 2014, 08:20:06 PM
Hi All,

This is a electrical load test from a single piston stoke at 110 psi.

Enjoy the show  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHeI5we9d6M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHeI5we9d6M)


Tom
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: countrymatt on July 07, 2014, 03:49:45 AM
keep up the good work. Your ratchet engine makes me think of a giant coocoo clock. I'm still putting together parts for a build. Can only dip into the budget so much a month.
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on July 07, 2014, 03:20:26 PM
Hi All,

 I would like to show some data on how much energy this system can produce with little if any lost.

My piston area is 3.98in/sq
My power stroke is 16"
My total displacement is (3.98"*16")= 63.68cu/in

At 120 psi the piston produce (120*3.98)=477.6 in/lb
At 16" power stroke the total work done is (16"/12")=1.33  (477.7*1.33)=635.21 foot pound of mechanical work.

1 hp = 33,000 foot pounds per/minute or 550ft/lb/sec

This is how many power stroke needed to produce just 1 hp (746w) per/minute from this ratchet engine design.

33,000/635.21=51.95 power strokes are needed per/minute
Total CFM's@120psi is ((63,68*51.95)/1728)=1.9 CfM's

This is how much liquid propane is needed to produce 1 HP

Propane pressure 120 psi.
1 gram of propane expands to 270grams or 9.52cu/in

This is where the math comes in, I want the liquid to expand to a max of 60 psi and then release from the piston stroke.
Piston area is 63.68, at half the power stoke it is 31.84cu/in this will allow the liquid propane to expand the total length and still have 60 psi in the system.

Total gram of liquid propane needed per power stroke is: 31.84/9.52=3.34 grams of propane
Total output of mechanical work is half of 635.21/2=317.61ft/lb

Amount of liquid propane needed to produce 1 hp is:
(33,000/317.61)=103.90  3.34g*103.90=347.03grams per minute of liquid propane.

347.03 grams=12.241oz.

I would like your opinion?

Tom
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on July 07, 2014, 10:17:35 PM
Hi All,

This is the most important part in the linear ratchet engine the valve design.

I'm making this a good design to last longer then PVC, even the valve piston are aluminum machine to my specs.

It will take time to finished, but I'm about half way done.

Enjoy the Show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl5jdNLbp9A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl5jdNLbp9A)

Tom
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: fritznien on July 08, 2014, 05:28:22 AM
have you calculated how much heat you will need to vaporize that much propane?
how will you produce the heat and what about a cold source to condense it again?
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: picowatt on July 08, 2014, 05:37:56 AM
I for one am concerned about leaks!!  Both with propane leaking out and oxygen getting sucked in.  Please be careful...

Also, some form of lubricant will need to be circulated with the propane.  Starting with a belt drive refrigeration compressor would have provided more adequate seals and an oil reservoir.

As far as the hot side/cold side thing goes, and the max power to be had, Carnot will have something to say about that...

PW
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on July 08, 2014, 10:00:38 AM
Hi Fritznien,

The question about heat and cooling.

My plan is to use both evaporator and condenser to work together. The condenser will produce heat, the question would be how much.

This heat is running into the evaporate expansion that is cold, unlike air conditioning where the cool air is feed into a home, or car and the Deta t is lost.

This should create a very interesting Deta T effect as a close loop system because of collision of heat and cold.

Picowatt,

I know what your are saying, this is not a toy and can be very dangerous if oxygen get sucked into the system.

Carnot effect is my question also, if two temperatures one being very hot due to compressing and the other very cold due to expanding gas colliding into each other will be something I don't think was ever done before.

I believe the energy to convert gas back to liquid would be far less due to looping the system.

An again, I could be wrong.

Tom



Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: ramset on July 08, 2014, 03:12:34 PM
Tom
As you are aware Rob Mason [evolvingape] had suggested that a very good source of heat would be an ICE [internal combustion engine]
so no matter what transpires with this experiment you could always _Feed_ it heat from an ICE
and then proceed to show the Carnot cycle something it has never gotten to see in Daylight...[outside closed doors]


Input to the prime mover is the fuel to the ICE which typically wastes 80% most of it heat...
The very Hungry Rankine cycle once coupled to this ICE would take the efficiency higher than
anything the world has seen to date...
I wonder Why that is??


So simple .....


I am however hoping that you get this running on Ambient Energy[Chris Hunter's Original claim] thru your _Radiators_ perhaps _Radiant_ energy will finally manifest...


thanks for all you do..
Chet


 
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on July 09, 2014, 01:36:10 AM
Hi All,

I got finished my choo choo piston valve (http://www.overunityresearch.com/Smileys/Alive/afro.gif).

Enjoy the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XywCf5C7I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XywCf5C7I)

Tom
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on July 09, 2014, 09:08:41 PM
Hi All,

I finished the valve and test run my choo choo ratchet engine.

Enjoy the show (http://www.overunityresearch.com/Smileys/Alive/afro.gif).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNGdoyvIf1w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNGdoyvIf1w)

Tom
Title: Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
Post by: TommeyLReed on July 12, 2014, 03:25:04 AM
Hi All,

Did some testing today with different compressors, and nothing could produce the 2.2 CFM's need to keep the ratchet engine going.

I do have new question on how much energy is needed to convert propane gas back to liquid, It's going to take a lot of energy   :-\ .

This is the a run test I did today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L01tLW2_3k&hd=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L01tLW2_3k&hd=1)

Tom