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Author Topic: The Propane Air Engine Project  (Read 21835 times)

TommeyLReed

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2014, 12:41:14 AM »
Hi All,

This is a test of the ratchet engine producing about 50 rpm,s with a single piston stroke at 100 psi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcKkmUv8ZQE

Tom
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ramset

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2014, 02:34:34 PM »
Tom
I have been sharing your work here also


http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/17019-chris-hunter-alaska-star-releases-o-u-pdf-2.html#post260783


thx
Chet
ps any problems with the "sharing" let me know...
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TommeyLReed

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2014, 03:09:25 PM »
Hi Chet,

I have no problem with my experiment on any forum.

Energy is going though the roof, if this work I know I won't have to pay a dime to these greedy money sucking pigs anymore.

Making your own energy is true power to the people, lets not forget true freedom also!

If we are going to change the world, then we must not look for dollars as a reward. Governments control the money systems to, and they will control you.

Even if this is not Over Unity,  just making your own energy at a low cost is still a threat to power companies.

Wonder why they don't push solar energy any more, it's free energy when the sun is out, last time I check GOD did not send me a light bill.

We all need to wake up and stop playing with the system that ends in total control and wars we do not need!
 
Laws are put in place to control free thinking people, while Government brain wash people to think they serve their country as they die for those that are in power for greed.

Just my rant today!

Tom...

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TommeyLReed

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2014, 08:20:06 PM »
Hi All,

This is a electrical load test from a single piston stoke at 110 psi.

Enjoy the show  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHeI5we9d6M


Tom
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countrymatt

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2014, 03:49:45 AM »
keep up the good work. Your ratchet engine makes me think of a giant coocoo clock. I'm still putting together parts for a build. Can only dip into the budget so much a month.
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TommeyLReed

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2014, 03:20:26 PM »
Hi All,

 I would like to show some data on how much energy this system can produce with little if any lost.

My piston area is 3.98in/sq
My power stroke is 16"
My total displacement is (3.98"*16")= 63.68cu/in

At 120 psi the piston produce (120*3.98)=477.6 in/lb
At 16" power stroke the total work done is (16"/12")=1.33  (477.7*1.33)=635.21 foot pound of mechanical work.

1 hp = 33,000 foot pounds per/minute or 550ft/lb/sec

This is how many power stroke needed to produce just 1 hp (746w) per/minute from this ratchet engine design.

33,000/635.21=51.95 power strokes are needed per/minute
Total CFM's@120psi is ((63,68*51.95)/1728)=1.9 CfM's

This is how much liquid propane is needed to produce 1 HP

Propane pressure 120 psi.
1 gram of propane expands to 270grams or 9.52cu/in

This is where the math comes in, I want the liquid to expand to a max of 60 psi and then release from the piston stroke.
Piston area is 63.68, at half the power stoke it is 31.84cu/in this will allow the liquid propane to expand the total length and still have 60 psi in the system.

Total gram of liquid propane needed per power stroke is: 31.84/9.52=3.34 grams of propane
Total output of mechanical work is half of 635.21/2=317.61ft/lb

Amount of liquid propane needed to produce 1 hp is:
(33,000/317.61)=103.90  3.34g*103.90=347.03grams per minute of liquid propane.

347.03 grams=12.241oz.

I would like your opinion?

Tom
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TommeyLReed

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2014, 10:17:35 PM »
Hi All,

This is the most important part in the linear ratchet engine the valve design.

I'm making this a good design to last longer then PVC, even the valve piston are aluminum machine to my specs.

It will take time to finished, but I'm about half way done.

Enjoy the Show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl5jdNLbp9A

Tom
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fritznien

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2014, 05:28:22 AM »
have you calculated how much heat you will need to vaporize that much propane?
how will you produce the heat and what about a cold source to condense it again?
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picowatt

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2014, 05:37:56 AM »
I for one am concerned about leaks!!  Both with propane leaking out and oxygen getting sucked in.  Please be careful...

Also, some form of lubricant will need to be circulated with the propane.  Starting with a belt drive refrigeration compressor would have provided more adequate seals and an oil reservoir.

As far as the hot side/cold side thing goes, and the max power to be had, Carnot will have something to say about that...

PW
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TommeyLReed

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2014, 10:00:38 AM »
Hi Fritznien,

The question about heat and cooling.

My plan is to use both evaporator and condenser to work together. The condenser will produce heat, the question would be how much.

This heat is running into the evaporate expansion that is cold, unlike air conditioning where the cool air is feed into a home, or car and the Deta t is lost.

This should create a very interesting Deta T effect as a close loop system because of collision of heat and cold.

Picowatt,

I know what your are saying, this is not a toy and can be very dangerous if oxygen get sucked into the system.

Carnot effect is my question also, if two temperatures one being very hot due to compressing and the other very cold due to expanding gas colliding into each other will be something I don't think was ever done before.

I believe the energy to convert gas back to liquid would be far less due to looping the system.

An again, I could be wrong.

Tom



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ramset

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2014, 03:12:34 PM »
Tom
As you are aware Rob Mason [evolvingape] had suggested that a very good source of heat would be an ICE [internal combustion engine]
so no matter what transpires with this experiment you could always _Feed_ it heat from an ICE
and then proceed to show the Carnot cycle something it has never gotten to see in Daylight...[outside closed doors]


Input to the prime mover is the fuel to the ICE which typically wastes 80% most of it heat...
The very Hungry Rankine cycle once coupled to this ICE would take the efficiency higher than
anything the world has seen to date...
I wonder Why that is??


So simple .....


I am however hoping that you get this running on Ambient Energy[Chris Hunter's Original claim] thru your _Radiators_ perhaps _Radiant_ energy will finally manifest...


thanks for all you do..
Chet


 
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TommeyLReed

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2014, 01:36:10 AM »
Hi All,

I got finished my choo choo piston valve (http://www.overunityresearch.com/Smileys/Alive/afro.gif).

Enjoy the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XywCf5C7I

Tom
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TommeyLReed

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2014, 09:08:41 PM »
Hi All,

I finished the valve and test run my choo choo ratchet engine.

Enjoy the show (http://www.overunityresearch.com/Smileys/Alive/afro.gif).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNGdoyvIf1w

Tom
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TommeyLReed

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2014, 03:25:04 AM »
Hi All,

Did some testing today with different compressors, and nothing could produce the 2.2 CFM's need to keep the ratchet engine going.

I do have new question on how much energy is needed to convert propane gas back to liquid, It's going to take a lot of energy   :-\ .

This is the a run test I did today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L01tLW2_3k&hd=1

Tom
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