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Author Topic: The Propane Air Engine Project  (Read 15921 times)

Offline TommeyLReed

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The Propane Air Engine Project
« on: June 28, 2014, 03:23:23 PM »
Hi All,

 I have decided to start a open forum on air engine that use propane to drive a close loop system.

This is the only way for me to keep this technology out in the open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BUsnaPrjTw

What is your opinion?

Tom

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The Propane Air Engine Project
« on: June 28, 2014, 03:23:23 PM »

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2014, 07:22:35 PM »
Hello Tom,

here I found a german Company with good educational-vids in english

http://www.secop.com/de/the-refrigerant-circuit.html

http://www.secop.com/de/the-compressor.html

http://www.secop.com/de/secop-kappa-animation-912x514.html

Manifacturing Processes:
http://www.secop.com/de/production.html

Sales & distribution of compresso-units:

http://www.secop.com/de/kontakt/verkaufsbueros.html

Why not visit a dump and look for an old fridge ?

Regards

Kator01

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2014, 03:32:06 AM »
Hello All,

 First let me thank Chris Hunter for information on this propane IC engine project, even if I'm going down a different path with this build.

I just wanted everyone to know that I'm going with basic Air type engines and have already set up a efficient compressor system.

I am doing open source with my air engine design and how I will use the propane to dive the motor.

If I offend anyone by going rogue, I am sorry but too much ego for me on this forum.

Again, thank you Chris Hunter I have started to give you the credit on my videos with the propane theories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW7z9EeQp3E


Tom...

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2014, 03:32:06 AM »
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Offline TommeyLReed

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2014, 04:12:25 AM »
This is another engine design called the Propane LP Jet Engine.

Input Please...

Tom

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2014, 07:55:26 PM »
Hi All,

 I just finished the propane pump assy.

I also add the radiator to act as the expansion and condenser of gas to liquid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogzxzW5WFEw

Tom

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2014, 07:55:26 PM »
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Offline Rigel4

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2014, 10:40:37 PM »
As always amazing, I often wonder what your day job is. Are you trying to use this as a heat pump to harvest the expansion? Or just drive the ram? Propane refrigerators are very efficient.

Offline TommeyLReed

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2014, 11:04:27 PM »
Hi Rigel4,

 I have worked on many types of jobs , building houses, mechanics, welding ,designing , engineering and special projects, I'm mostly retire at 50 now to enjoy my life.

I will do side jobs here and there, but my life is set to enjoy what I love to do build stuff.

I been down the long road with 90+hours per week making money, and could never enjoy life. You don't have to be rich with cash, Knowledge is true power of life. Money is a ego that the Government wants from us all any way.

I got my house a few years ago in N. Pa for 14k, paid cash and fixing it up here and there. Not having large payments is the key to a good life, I moved from Florida where taxes and the cost of living is out of control.

This was a smart move, even if it's cold in the winter time.

Thanks..





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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
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Offline TommeyLReed

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2014, 02:50:42 AM »
Hi All,

Ok, I Got some data to compress up to 120 psi @20amps or 2200 watts = 2.94hp of mechanical load.

This will change when fill with propane, it should be less energy.

Enjoy this test...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH4MxSBriag

Tom.
 

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2014, 03:13:22 AM »
Not trying to hijack your thread, but thought this information may help.

I do have a thought on using the single radiator. Keep in mind that the thermal energy collected in the engine during expansion will have to be dissipated after compression. I've been looking at this system as a waste heat engine. The more heat you bring in then you have to get it back out too in order to recompress the propane and have it liquefy. What I'm thinking is a water jacket heater on the engine to have environment/waste heat in. What I'm thinking is a stationary setup that uses surplus heat in my attic to run the system. Here's what I've thought of as my ideal thermal cycle between the water and LP.

Water cycle: Water begins in a waste heat collector in the attic. It is pumped to the engine using the mechanical energy of the shaft or electrical power if required. After transmitting the heat to the engine it goes through a counter flow chiller and returns to the waste heat collector.

LP cycle: liquid propane begins in the collector and expands in the engine absorbing ambient and waste heat and is then recompressed. The compressed gas flows first through an ambient temperature heat exchanger then flows the opposing direction through the counter flow chiller. Ending back at the collector on the engine.

Justification: After the heat of compression is released, the coldest possible component in the thermal cycle is then used to chill the working fluid below ambient temperature. Which in turn reduces the pressure required to liquefy it and preheats the water before it returns to the waste heat collector. On the flip side, cooling the propane below ambient temperature requires more energy for it to expand at the same rate

CountryMatt

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2014, 03:13:22 AM »
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Offline TommeyLReed

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2014, 07:02:34 PM »
Hi All,

 To make a propane or air running engine in a efficient way, I have design a simple 3 way linear valve.

Take a look at this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7WOoMjY4DA

Tom.

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2014, 02:35:58 AM »
Hi All,

 I'm testing a air run on this valve I design, if everything works out I will put in on the ac system and test run using the compressor before adding propane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1dvGFoL6lM

Tom  (http://www.overunityresearch.com/Smileys/Alive/cheesy.gif)

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2014, 02:35:58 AM »
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Offline TommeyLReed

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2014, 03:37:29 AM »
Hi All,


I did a test run and my electric valves are not fast enough, just wanted to make shore before I go back to mechanical linear valves.

I also found that my 1/4 input ports are too small, need 1/2 or better, this will allow better flow of expanding gas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42CjyHjMfxg




Tom

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2014, 03:39:07 AM »
This is a IC engine running much faster, but lots of cfm. (http://www.overunityresearch.com/Smileys/Alive/afro.gif)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ0e-kM27CM

Tom.

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2014, 06:29:04 PM »
Hi All,

OK, now there just might be something to a close loop system wiith a IC engine.   8)

This is the first test using the AC compressor to compress air to run the IC engine two stroke design.

Enjoy the show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa_4cxA84cU

Tom  :o

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Re: The Propane Air Engine Project
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2014, 06:08:24 PM »
Hi All,

OK this is the best way to convert linear into direct rotational energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNm6IcQdK-8

Tom

 

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