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Author Topic: Fundamentals of FREE ENERGY generation with a transformer. Experiment #1  (Read 27804 times)

Offline tarakan

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I have to work. I work full time and go to college full time. I am taking summer classes. I have no time for free energy research.
Parts and a custom PCB are expensive.

Research is a very big venture, almost a gamble that I am not willing to play with my time. Status quo will not reward me for solving the myth. OU cannot be a facultative project. I haven't convinced anybody to build the circuit for RCL tests either.

So I gave up for a very good reason - I prioritize my immediate survival over OU research.

I cannot read 100 datasheets a day to see if there is a fit digital IC for my project and no one ever recommended me any ICs to meet the specs.

ALTECHLAB How do you know for sure ?

I think there are all signs that Akula is a faker :-)

Akula is a faker? His pot core transformer with two copper plates that surround the windings has an interesting characteristic and make very efficient Joule Thieves. (LaserHacker.com)Who came up with this transformer and what makes it so special? Numbers. Values.

Look at all the Ferroresonance experiments on You tube. If those videos weren't there, I would never have paid so much attention to the ferrite transformer OU.

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Offline fritz

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So I gave up for a very good reason - I prioritize my immediate survival over OU research.

I´ll give you something on the way:
The basic idea to hunt for special properties using a one-fits-all auto-resonator is not stupid.
A tuneable, wideband negative resistor would be the easiest way to do it.
Increasing the negative resistance will finally lead to a self-resonant phenomenon at the most pleasant frequency - without any need for tuning.

The reason why nobody has done that before is - that wideband negative resistors or the stuff you proposed(and how it should work)  are way out of reach - even with extense effort.

Electrical oscillation is never ever a "scalar" thing - only in very rare circumstances you can treat it that way.
"ideal voltage source", "ideal current source", having exact zero or infinite source resistance.

In real world - you have at least 2 compounds - voltage and current - combined to an impedance - and if you increase the frequency - impedance matters.

This is why I never had your idea - because I see no practical way to build it.

Even if we would had such things - it mght be necessary to have an impedance-impedance which could be a thing with complex signal "a" modifying complex impedance Z with parameter x as function of ......
Things are not that simple and I basically aprecciate your effort trying to make us build such thing.
Because its a "kick" to think beyond limits.
Even if its out of reach.

The "impedance" thing is a quite serious issue with lots of overunity stuff - because there are often multiple degrees of freedom - and even if you replicate something in a very serious way - there is a multitude of possible outcome.

I have brilliant ideas on a daily basis - but the truth is - that the chance nobody was there before - is pretty small.
Sometimes the way I came there was unique, sometimes a detail was unique - sometimes I was "first" - but in the end somebody else has done it. (later). It might be difficult to get some reward for solving a myth, anyway.

rgds.

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I´ll give you something on the way:
The basic idea to hunt for special properties using a one-fits-all auto-resonator is not stupid.
A tuneable, wideband negative resistor would be the easiest way to do it.
Increasing the negative resistance will finally lead to a self-resonant phenomenon at the most pleasant frequency - without any need for tuning.

The reason why nobody has done that before is - that wideband negative resistors or the stuff you proposed(and how it should work)  are way out of reach - even with extense effort.

Electrical oscillation is never ever a "scalar" thing - only in very rare circumstances you can treat it that way.
"ideal voltage source", "ideal current source", having exact zero or infinite source resistance.

In real world - you have at least 2 compounds - voltage and current - combined to an impedance - and if you increase the frequency - impedance matters.

This is why I never had your idea - because I see no practical way to build it.

Even if we would had such things - it mght be necessary to have an impedance-impedance which could be a thing with complex signal "a" modifying complex impedance Z with parameter x as function of ......
Things are not that simple and I basically aprecciate your effort trying to make us build such thing.
Because its a "kick" to think beyond limits.
Even if its out of reach.

The "impedance" thing is a quite serious issue with lots of overunity stuff - because there are often multiple degrees of freedom - and even if you replicate something in a very serious way - there is a multitude of possible outcome.

I have brilliant ideas on a daily basis - but the truth is - that the chance nobody was there before - is pretty small.
Sometimes the way I came there was unique, sometimes a detail was unique - sometimes I was "first" - but in the end somebody else has done it. (later). It might be difficult to get some reward for solving a myth, anyway.

rgds.

We have multiple degrees of freedom but who said that there has to be only one "input impulse" and only one feedback line?

Their interrelationship will just be a matter of adding few lines into the code of the microcontroller.

What I had sketched was a 2D system. It considers time and power of only one line.
More feedback lines and more dimensions would make this system much more useful.


A team of several thousands of OU enthusiasts could tackle this problem instead of generating more and more content that restates the problem.

I can build this if I received help. There is nothing I can do about this circuit right now.

Negative resistance? Another analog approach? Why not use an analog double loop PLL than?
Things I propose are not that far out of reach. Someone with digital electronics design experience could make this. There isn't much to this circuit really.

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Offline forest

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You told the truth. Free energy is simple but to work out the proof need a very wide range of freedom. Freedom from common dutes, work, health problems and so on...and a lot of money ,resources, friends who can help and have experience. That is the job for youngster having rich father or a bold person as a hobby...

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Ok. I live in Frederick MD, USA. This is an hour from Baltimore MD and from Washington DC.
If anyone is interested in working on this project, I can spend 1 day a week and drive no more than 1.5 hours in one direction.
Lets split assignments. I can work on studying the programming part, for example if there is somebody who is willing to do electronics.

Having a central, high speed CPU and many buffers and ripple counters may be a wise idea for multidimensional analysis of OU transformers.
We can make the project modular. The final product can be sold as an engineering tool for RCL analysis.

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I cannot read 100 datasheets a day to see if there is a fit digital IC for my project and no one ever recommended me any ICs to meet the specs.


@tarakan

Keep your idea for when you have to choose your thesis in school, and keep your eye out for the sale of this device.
It is a combination of an FPGA and microprocessor. Very high speed digital circuits tend to design themselves. Even
you could design your idea using this device;

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/13588168/papilio-duo-drag-and-drop-fpga-circuit-lab-for-mak


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Ok. I live in Frederick MD, USA. This is an hour from Baltimore MD and from Washington DC.
If anyone is interested in working on this project, I can spend 1 day a week and drive no more than 1.5 hours in one direction.
Lets split assignments. I can work on studying the programming part, for example if there is somebody who is willing to do electronics.

Having a central, high speed CPU and many buffers and ripple counters may be a wise idea for multidimensional analysis of OU transformers.
We can make the project modular. The final product can be sold as an engineering tool for RCL analysis.


I live in Silver Spring Md., but I am interested only in working on OU projects that have the immediate benefit of OU energy output.
F*ck people's theories!  Hope you find someone for your project.


:S:MarkSCoffman

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I live in Silver Spring Md., but I am interested only in working on OU projects that have the immediate benefit of OU energy output.
F*ck people's theories!  Hope you find someone for your project.

:S:MarkSCoffman

There are two kinds of theories:
1)- lets sit and decipher a circuit that has a lot of analog components and try to understand why someone placed the there
2)- lets see why ferroresonance or some other phenomenon in general can produce OU.

You want a fast solution. So you somehow need to tune your circuit. But what are you trying to tune it to?
Every small-scale crafted circuit needs tuning. In mass production, tuning is automated.

It is like trying to set the ignition timing when you don't hear or see the engine and will never drive it...

We bring in energy to create more energy. Than we harvest some of that energy to bring in energy to create more energy. Cycle must repeat for for ever.
There is a circuit that is fitted for this purpose and there is a fundamental process it serves. A clear border has to be drawn between the two.

We can isolate the two. Measure how much energy is brought in and how much is produced. If the quantity of energy produced exceeds the quantity that is consumed, the means of utilizing the excess energy must be improved to allow for a self-powered OU circuit...

Why f*ck theories? It is like saying f*ck mathematics or f*ck physics.
However, we are at the level of antiquity with OU.
Armchair philosophers write theories, gods create OU circuits and populace remains uneducated and deliberately confused.

We need finite element analysis...

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@tarakan

Keep your idea for when you have to choose your thesis in school, and keep your eye out for the sale of this device.
It is a combination of an FPGA and microprocessor. Very high speed digital circuits tend to design themselves. Even
you could design your idea using this device;

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/13588168/papilio-duo-drag-and-drop-fpga-circuit-lab-for-mak

:S:MarkSCoffman

I am not majoring in engineering. I cannot change my major because it is expensive.
Interesting. But I am not going to use it unless a lot of hobbyist-friendly documentation is written, like for Arduino.
Thank you. I will keep an eye on this.

Division of labor is necessary to complete the task that I had drawn out.
I cannot make every part of the device but everyone can make some part.

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Offline fritz

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We have multiple degrees of freedom but who said that there has to be only one "input impulse" and only one feedback line?
Their interrelationship will just be a matter of adding few lines into the code of the microcontroller.
No.
Your idea is to make the universal bell-ringing utility.
The size of the bells we have to ring is from 1mm up to 10m diameter (you can replace that with inch if you prefer).
The speed and weight of the hammer should be fixed - even the elasticity of the handle should be fixed - but is not.
We don´t even know the density of the material the bell is made of.

Well - if the bell would be already ringing - there would be some chance of timing that some kind of standard hammer - applied at the right moment == impedance ==  will transfer some energy.
We could build a somewhat thing capable of producing somewhat dirac impulse - or use an inductor - tuneable in the range of 1:1000 (however such inductor would look like).

OK. even if we take a complete "unmatched" hammer - we have no chance to ring that bell until the transfered energy at least exceeds the losses of the system. If our hammer transfers energy slightly above that level - ringing that bell to some nominal level would still take an almost infinite amount of time.

What I had sketched was a 2D system. It considers time and power of only one line.
More feedback lines and more dimensions would make this system much more useful.
Of course.


A team of several thousands of OU enthusiasts could tackle this problem instead of generating more and more content that restates the problem.
Is it that simple ?
As already stated - OU or whatever effect(prefered) might be released in somewhat unusual scenario, which might be coupled to s resonant issue.
You need an OU bell - and the proper hammer. A "one fits all" hammer alone will show no OU.


I can build this if I received help. There is nothing I can do about this circuit right now.
I hope so.
If you would accept some suggestions concerning the diameters of bells to ring or other reduced constraints - I would think about contributing to this thread further.

Negative resistance? Another analog approach? Why not use an analog double loop PLL than?
Because a negative resistor (even if difficult to build) would be an auto-triggered, auto-scaled hammer - much closer to the goal than you think.
(Far out - of course - but within the same magnitude of far-outness than what you propose)

Things I propose are not that far out of reach. Someone with digital electronics design experience could make this. There isn't much to this circuit really.
I already tried to tell you that pushing the button for that hammer is a simple task - and can be done even with 70ies style circuitry - without any uP; somewhat digital - if you think thats better.
The problem is the hammer - not the trigger.

The engineering approach for this problem is:
We know the size of the bell, the density, the resonance frequency, and we calculate the perfect hammer matched to a standard impedance.
And we are quite happy if the bell rings in the end with somewhat acceptable economy.

I think this brings it to certain point ?

rgds.

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No.
Your idea is to make the universal bell-ringing utility.
The size of the bells we have to ring is from 1mm up to 10m diameter (you can replace that with inch if you prefer).
The speed and weight of the hammer should be fixed - even the elasticity of the handle should be fixed - but is not.
We don´t even know the density of the material the bell is made of.

To an extent. It will take measurements and judge from them what is the elasticity of the system.

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Well - if the bell would be already ringing - there would be some chance of timing that some kind of standard hammer - applied at the right moment == impedance ==  will transfer some energy.
We could build a somewhat thing capable of producing somewhat dirac impulse - or use an inductor - tuneable in the range of 1:1000 (however such inductor would look like).

Dirac impulse is an ideal. A very thin impulse will be smoothed by the inductance of the system. There will be noise, of course. I think we are splitting hairs here...

OK. even if we take a complete "unmatched" hammer - we have no chance to ring that bell until the transfered energy at least exceeds the losses of the system. If our hammer transfers energy slightly above that level - ringing that bell to some nominal level would still take an almost infinite amount of time.
Of course.

Is it that simple ?
As already stated - OU or whatever effect(prefered) might be released in somewhat unusual scenario, which might be coupled to s resonant issue.
You need an OU bell - and the proper hammer. A "one fits all" hammer alone will show no OU.
True.

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I hope so.
If you would accept some suggestions concerning the diameters of bells to ring or other reduced constraints - I would think about contributing to this thread further.
Only as a chief ideologist. :)

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Because a negative resistor (even if difficult to build) would be an auto-triggered, auto-scaled hammer - much closer to the goal than you think.
(Far out - of course - but within the same magnitude of far-outness than what you propose)
I already tried to tell you that pushing the button for that hammer is a simple task - and can be done even with 70ies style circuitry - without any uP; somewhat digital - if you think thats better.
The problem is the hammer - not the trigger.

What "negative resistor" would you suggest?
We can make the "hammer" waveform and timing user-  adjustable so it can be located "by ear"

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The engineering approach for this problem is:
We know the size of the bell, the density, the resonance frequency, and we calculate the perfect hammer matched to a standard impedance.
And we are quite happy if the bell rings in the end with somewhat acceptable economy.

I think this brings it to certain point ?

It does. We need a hammer that would also be adjustable by the uP to match the impedance? 70-s technology will give us something rather difficult to measure.
The idea is that measurements are obtained, than brought into the mathematical model, the program is improved, etc.

But I am still trying to do work of a whole research institution by myself.
I realize that for many OU enthusiasts OU is Opium for the Masses - a nice place to escape to but not a serious field of physics.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2014, 04:59:49 AM by tarakan »

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But I am still trying to do work of a whole research institution by myself.
Thats the only option - if you work alone - and you have to be a talented schizo - otherwise you are lost.

Back to our hammer.
As already pointed out - it would make lots of sense to have different hammer-heads.
If you run into few MHz - and want to land a decent pulse to an unknown impedance - the driver stage should generate the pulse right at the "point of load".
The solution would be a detached driver with energy parked/stored at the point of load. - Means RF decoupling with special caps or pcb´s with integrated 50um plate caps.
High-Voltage, high-speed mosfet half-bridge, capable to apply a DC-pulse. (so after applying the pulse - the stage has to go high-z - that would be a double-action hammer).
Combined with perfect decoupling - this stage should be able to apply a somewhat voltage pulse (with impedance somewhat different to the target).
The timing signal should be connected using proper impedance controlled cabel/coax and matched impedance.
That would be the minimum effort to get some useful outcome.

Because you need a grip on the output frequency - you need a preamp (to reduce damping of device under test) and a prescaler.
You can do that discrete using a MMIC preamp and an MC12080.....
But there are some perfect chips used in old analog TV tuners - which could do the job.
MC44817,.. or similar....
There is a legendary 1Ghz prescaler/ preamp combination - still available on ebay - the SDA2101
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SDA2101-Manu-SIEMENS-Encapsulation-DIP8-FREQUENCY-DIVIDER-1-64-/370729890667
I´ve done few projects with that chip 25 yrs ago - but its a simple chip and useful. The only disadvantage I remember was malfunction after esd.
But after few weeks, they start working again ;-))))
Cool thing is that you can make a fine picosecond delay ramping the supply voltage of that chip.
But there should be modern equivalents available.

With a 1/64 prescaler - our maximum pll frequency would be around 150MHz.
There are PLL chips for 150MHz like NE/SA568... but in our case we would need a DDS to tune almost nearest - and lock the loop using a quarz oszillator with a varicap.
.......to be continued....



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You need two things to be successful:
1. PRINCIPLE, a working one and the simplest one is probably the real and working one
2. ENERGY SOURCE of special kind, and I'm sure you  know what property of it is the most needed one
F*ck all else, there is no violation of physics  in free energy !


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Thats the only option - if you work alone - and you have to be a talented schizo - otherwise you are lost.

Back to our hammer.
As already pointed out - it would make lots of sense to have different hammer-heads.
If you run into few MHz - and want to land a decent pulse to an unknown impedance - the driver stage should generate the pulse right at the "point of load".
The solution would be a detached driver with energy parked/stored at the point of load. - Means RF decoupling with special caps or pcb´s with integrated 50um plate caps.
High-Voltage, high-speed mosfet half-bridge, capable to apply a DC-pulse. (so after applying the pulse - the stage has to go high-z - that would be a double-action hammer).
Combined with perfect decoupling - this stage should be able to apply a somewhat voltage pulse (with impedance somewhat different to the target).
The timing signal should be connected using proper impedance controlled cabel/coax and matched impedance.
That would be the minimum effort to get some useful outcome.

Because you need a grip on the output frequency - you need a preamp (to reduce damping of device under test) and a prescaler.
You can do that discrete using a MMIC preamp and an MC12080.....
But there are some perfect chips used in old analog TV tuners - which could do the job.
MC44817,.. or similar....
There is a legendary 1Ghz prescaler/ preamp combination - still available on ebay - the SDA2101
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SDA2101-Manu-SIEMENS-Encapsulation-DIP8-FREQUENCY-DIVIDER-1-64-/370729890667
I´ve done few projects with that chip 25 yrs ago - but its a simple chip and useful. The only disadvantage I remember was malfunction after esd.
But after few weeks, they start working again ;-))))
Cool thing is that you can make a fine picosecond delay ramping the supply voltage of that chip.
But there should be modern equivalents available.

With a 1/64 prescaler - our maximum pll frequency would be around 150MHz.
There are PLL chips for 150MHz like NE/SA568... but in our case we would need a DDS to tune almost nearest - and lock the loop using a quarz oszillator with a varicap.
.......to be continued....

I don't want to deal with analog solutions because analog electronics is harder to work with.

I think that this project is too difficult for me anyways and there is no reward for success.
TV tuners? I considered that but they don't fit this purpose very well. To make them fit is almost as difficult as to build entirely transistor-based circuit.

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You need two things to be successful:
1. PRINCIPLE, a working one and the simplest one is probably the real and working one
2. ENERGY SOURCE of special kind, and I'm sure you  know what property of it is the most needed one
F*ck all else, there is no violation of physics  in free energy !

Do you have an OU device?

 

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