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Title: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MenofFather on June 01, 2014, 07:15:57 PM
https://archive.org/details/fonar4  (https://archive.org/details/fonar4)this seems not play
https://archive.org/download/fonar4/fonar4.mp4 (https://archive.org/download/fonar4/fonar4.mp4) open with VLC player.
 :)
That can I write about this lantern? Here is one frenquency. Frenquency is about 250 herc of wery short pulses. One pulse duration about 10-20 microseconds. Here is two coils one primary, other secondary (turns how much each coil I don't know), from secondary going througt one diode seems to capasitor (capasitor is not less than 50 volts) from that working this divice. Is also and 3 coil who in now in this video not used (in future Akula plan use it to stabilise this lantern and it better work, but NOW here is fixed frenquency and sometimes it can stop working, why? Akula exatly don't know).
And first he start from 9 V battery from lower frenquency, because with higher frenquency lantern not start and after start he can make higher frenquency to get more power from lantern (LED's brighter shine).
 :D

Admin added:
Here is the new Lantern circuit number 4 in HD rendering I just made.

http://youtu.be/DnuXqnTlJNM (http://youtu.be/DnuXqnTlJNM)

Here are the 2 different circuit diagrams attached.
 
Title: Re: Akula enternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on June 01, 2014, 10:26:02 PM
Akula exatly _does_ know how his devices work.

Either way: he understands something about core material, resonance and circuitry so that he is able to make device after different device, all of which work OU, and nobody else outside of the borders of the former CCCP can understand how to do it....

-OR-

He's faking the whole thing, each and every device, in ways which he surely knows and understands, and is using the oscillator beating story as the Red Herring it is, to fascinate and distract the little fish while he reels in the Big Fish with the deepest pockets.
Title: Re: Akula enternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on June 02, 2014, 01:38:33 AM
Here is the new Lantern circuit number 4 in HD rendering I just made.

http://youtu.be/DnuXqnTlJNM

Enjoy !

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: NickZ on June 02, 2014, 02:11:21 AM
   Here is another simple oscillator/generator video, this one is lighting 3 led bulbs, and a small motor as well.
   Wasaby has done it again...  Or, not???
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RKdgweo0vo
   
   
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MenofFather on June 02, 2014, 11:42:51 AM
   Here is another simple oscillator/generator video, this one is lighting 3 led bulbs, and a small motor as well.
   Wasaby has done it again...  Or, not???
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RKdgweo0vo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RKdgweo0vo)
   
 
I think Wasaby is fake. :D
Title: Re: Akula enternal lantern 4
Post by: havuhung on June 02, 2014, 12:58:09 PM
Here is the new Lantern circuit number 4 in HD rendering I just made.

http://youtu.be/DnuXqnTlJNM (http://youtu.be/DnuXqnTlJNM)

Enjoy !

Regards, Stefan.
Hi All, Hi Stefan,
Now the author of the video clip is done on blue background! . . it is easy to remove the power supply lead wire to the circuit board electronics are the author makes us see the magic! . .  :(
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: lasersaber on June 02, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
The only thing that I am skeptical about with the Akula device is the claimed run-time.  The LEDs do not even look that bright in this lantern 4 video.  If he really claims that it runs non-stop for days than I am skeptical.  I believe that it is possible to achieve run-times as shown in most of his videos where he constantly stops and starts the circuit while recharging the caps with the 9v every few minutes.  For all I know his circuit may have better performance than mine and I can already achieve similar results.


Here is a video showing where I am at with this type of device:  http://youtu.be/s3T6kEic5G0



Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: ALTECHLAB on June 02, 2014, 02:33:15 PM
Can you show the scheme what is in your self-run device?
We try to use super capacitors but it's to big for small recuperation system..
Details is here: www.altechlaboratory.com 
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: havuhung on June 02, 2014, 02:57:43 PM
The only thing that I am skeptical about with the Akula device is the claimed run-time.  The LEDs do not even look that bright in this lantern 4 video.  If he really claims that it runs non-stop for days than I am skeptical.  I believe that it is possible to achieve run-times as shown in most of his videos where he constantly stops and starts the circuit while recharging the caps with the 9v every few minutes.  For all I know his circuit may have better performance than mine and I can already achieve similar results.


Here is a video showing where I am at with this type of device:  http://youtu.be/s3T6kEic5G0 (http://youtu.be/s3T6kEic5G0)
Hi lasersaber,
Above you said is modest, with the circuit you have made, the performance of the circuit it is, will be higher than that because, on the energy expenditure necessary components in electrical circuits work is very few in number, and with ferrite pot core, I believe that it is better than having flyback ferrite core of Televisions. . . You can upload your circuit diagram and with the way the wound ferrite core coils in the pot?

Regards
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: avalon on June 02, 2014, 07:38:19 PM
The only thing that I am skeptical about with the Akula device is the claimed run-time.  The LEDs do not even look that bright in this lantern 4 video.  If he really claims that it runs non-stop for days than I am skeptical.  I believe that it is possible to achieve run-times as shown in most of his videos where he constantly stops and starts the circuit while recharging the caps with the 9v every few minutes.  For all I know his circuit may have better performance than mine and I can already achieve similar results.


Here is a video showing where I am at with this type of device:  http://youtu.be/s3T6kEic5G0
I cannot tell for how long Akula's devices managed to run. However, I ran my circuit for a week before manually switching it off.
I have not, however, tried it with a few LEDs attached which may result in a short run time, primarily because I am not interested in creating yet another lantern. I will show a high output device when it is ready.

Anyway, the effect is real and can be harnessed. Akula is not entirely correct in his explanations regarding the nature of the phenomenon, but it exists and can be applied easily.

Have a look:
http://youtu.be/vgYLVyswgeQ

~A
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: NickZ on June 02, 2014, 08:28:56 PM
  Wasaby has made several videos of his devices. You may want to watch them all, and judge for yourself, their development, and if they are or are not fake.
  My question is: What if they are not fake? 

   I've heard that both Akula and Stepanov have sold their circuit ideas to a Belgium company. Also, that both of them have worked together at times, and that their somewhat similar working  circuits are the current ongoing results of long research and development of this type of devices, provided to them by the silent "friend", Vitaly. He is also seen in the Akula home video that was just released and translated by Wesley.
  You can chose what to believe... But,  more information would be helpful.
 
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: avalon on June 02, 2014, 09:11:25 PM
  Wasaby has made several videos of his devices. You may want to watch them all, and judge for yourself, their development, and if they are or are not fake.
  My question is: What if they are not fake? 

   I've heard that both Akula and Stepanov have sold their circuit ideas to a Belgium company. Also, that both of them have worked together at times, and that their somewhat similar working  circuits are the current ongoing results of long research and development of this type of devices, provided to them by the silent "friend", Vitaly. He is also seen in the Akula home video that was just released and translated by Wesley.
  You can chose what to believe... But,  more information would be helpful.
 
Here are the facts:

Roman Karnaukhov (Akula) and Alexej Stepanov has never worked together. They met when Stepanov was sent to investigate Akula's device by Steho AG. Luxembourg based Russian outfit.

* Stepanov has been working for Steho AG for some time now and, as far as I know, produced a reactive power (KVAR) recovery device.
* There has never been any R&D done by a credible company that has been made public.
* The other person that you mention is an active member of some Russian forums (like Zaryad).  Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXKbKctkiAk he is arguing the existence of aether and simultaneously proving Einstein wrong. I, sort of, like the guy. He appears to be very 'sympathique' as the French would call him. However, he is wrong in his premise and, certainly, is not in collaboration with Akula or Stepanov.

I am also not quite sure about the timing. It appears that this has not been going on for a long time as far as Akula is concerned.
But there were other before him. Like Tiger2007 or Pantjukhov (I am not sure about the spelling). The problem has always been the implementation and not the existence of the phenomenon.

A large portion of people here are amateurs, at best. They want a quick result. Something like: 'I am going to build this circuit, then add '_______' which I have seen somewhere else. Then I will pray a lot and, hopefully, it'll work and I will sell it and get rich and....' Fill the blank as you like. You get my point.

The reality is very different. A lot of work and studies are required in order to get anywhere close to positive results. I am sure that every person mentioned above has worked very hard to get theirs and are reluctant to give it away. Hence semi-cryptic videos which appear more like self-advertising than research videos.

In short, lack of cooperation between those who can will inevitably lead to an eventual failure.

~A
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: NickZ on June 02, 2014, 11:13:21 PM
  Avalon:
   Thanks for your reply. Sometimes opinions can be also considered facts, and sometime not so. I said that I heard, but certainly don't know anything about these guys, myself.
   How do you know that Stepanov has had no previous interaction with Akula?        Tiger 2007 (Vitaly) is the silent witness that I mentioned in the Akula home video.
  After years of vitaly's ongoing work on the devices as shown and posted on his 20 youtube videos,  it does seam (at least to me) to have some relation to the working principal of the first Akula device. Just a coinsidence, perhaps?

  Stepanov ("the money man") has been working for
Steho AG:
  http://www.psiram.com/ge/index.php/Steho_Energy_AG (http://www.psiram.com/ge/index.php/Steho_Energy_AG)

  The main thing was the verification of Akula's second working device.  As Real, and not a fake.
   Any further information is always good, in order to cut through the chase.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: 4Tesla on June 03, 2014, 03:56:16 AM
Schematic  8)

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg39158#msg39158 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg39158#msg39158)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Jeg on June 03, 2014, 08:31:49 AM
I cannot tell for how long Akula's devices managed to run. However, I ran my circuit for a week before manually switching it off.
I have not, however, tried it with a few LEDs attached which may result in a short run time, primarily because I am not interested in creating yet another lantern. I will show a high output device when it is ready.

Anyway, the effect is real and can be harnessed. Akula is not entirely correct in his explanations regarding the nature of the phenomenon, but it exists and can be applied easily.

Have a look:
http://youtu.be/vgYLVyswgeQ

~A

Is it possible to describe with few words what is happening to the core? Does it really need two input signals to do it?
Congrats for your results
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Dave45 on June 03, 2014, 01:39:49 PM
I cannot tell for how long Akula's devices managed to run. However, I ran my circuit for a week before manually switching it off.
I have not, however, tried it with a few LEDs attached which may result in a short run time, primarily because I am not interested in creating yet another lantern. I will show a high output device when it is ready.

Anyway, the effect is real and can be harnessed. Akula is not entirely correct in his explanations regarding the nature of the phenomenon, but it exists and can be applied easily.

Have a look:
http://youtu.be/vgYLVyswgeQ (http://youtu.be/vgYLVyswgeQ)

~A
Was that with the FG's running the gate.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Arman on June 03, 2014, 04:01:55 PM
I cannot tell for how long Akula's devices managed to run. However, I ran my circuit for a week before manually switching it off.
I have not, however, tried it with a few LEDs attached which may result in a short run time, primarily because I am not interested in creating yet another lantern. I will show a high output device when it is ready.

Anyway, the effect is real and can be harnessed. Akula is not entirely correct in his explanations regarding the nature of the phenomenon, but it exists and can be applied easily.

Have a look:
http://youtu.be/vgYLVyswgeQ

~A
Very impressive. Can you please share more details of your setup, like the ferrite core, number of turns and connection diagram. Best regards
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: avalon on June 03, 2014, 04:10:48 PM
Was that with the FG's running the gate.
Actually, no. I used a simple MAX931-based circuit for that. I did not use it in the video as it would create more questions. Gens are way more visual.
I am also experimenting with TS3002 but have not used it in a self-runner yet.

Far more important was the choice of diods. I used FSF05A60 in my setup.

~A
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: pavqw on June 03, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
Hello!

I am trying to replicate LaserSabre device and it really works, but I have to tune it, since my version can power LED for cca 3 seconds only.
My setup is EI ferrite core with 2 coils of copper wire (100P and 80S turns), NPN transistor KF506 (very old, but I found just this at home), some kind of classic diode (actually works longer without it) and capacitor 10V 2200uF.
It seems as turn count is crucial (more is better?), of course ratio too.
I have tried some MOSFET transitor too, but it seems it is not as good at least with this one.

Its running from 2S lipo (8.4V) when fully charged. I dont know if it is enough :(
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MenofFather on June 03, 2014, 08:05:39 PM
I seems get almost exatly osciliograme like akula. I use for generator TL494 with ajustable duty cycle and frenquency. So seems circuit is realitivi is extreamly simple. I use frenquency about 20-50 herc. But I try with other number of turns of primary and secondary make selfrunning and not get selfrunning. And I use fet transistor (IRF610 with two small bipolar transistors for fast open and close), not bipolar like Akula. I also use core from flayback.  Good lock for all in experiments!
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on June 03, 2014, 09:29:45 PM
I cannot tell for how long Akula's devices managed to run. However, I ran my circuit for a week before manually switching it off.
I have not, however, tried it with a few LEDs attached which may result in a short run time, primarily because I am not interested in creating yet another lantern. I will show a high output device when it is ready.

Anyway, the effect is real and can be harnessed. Akula is not entirely correct in his explanations regarding the nature of the phenomenon, but it exists and can be applied easily.

Have a look:
http://youtu.be/vgYLVyswgeQ (http://youtu.be/vgYLVyswgeQ)

~A


Well done ! How did it oscillate on, when you removed the gate driver pulses from your function generator and also removed the power supply ? Or did you feed it still
with the drive pulses from the function generator at the end and only removed the power supply ? How big is your electrolytic cap ?
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on June 03, 2014, 09:31:08 PM
I attached the circuit diagrams and the link to the HD youtube video now to the
first posting of this thread , so it is easier to find it all..

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: avalon on June 03, 2014, 10:30:08 PM

Well done ! How did it oscillate on, when you removed the gate driver pulses from your function generator and also removed the power supply ? Or did you feed it still
with the drive pulses from the function generator at the end and only removed the power supply ? How big is your electrolytic cap ?
Regards, Stefan.
Once I tuned and knew the frequencies I made a MAX931-based gen to drive the circuit. The cap is 2200uF/63V.
~A
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: corry on June 04, 2014, 04:16:40 PM
... I ran my circuit for a week before manually switching it off...

Hi Avalon,

diagram of your setup ?

Thanks
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on June 05, 2014, 05:24:39 PM
https://archive.org/details/fonar4  (https://archive.org/details/fonar4)this seems not play
https://archive.org/download/fonar4/fonar4.mp4 (https://archive.org/download/fonar4/fonar4.mp4) open with VLC player.
 :)
That can I write about this lantern? Here is one frenquency. Frenquency is about 250 herc of wery short pulses. One pulse duration about 10-20 microseconds. Here is two coils one primary, other secondary (turns how much each coil I don't know), from secondary going througt one diode seems to capasitor (capasitor is not less than 50 volts) from that working this divice. Is also and 3 coil who in now in this video not used (in future Akula plan use it to stabilise this lantern and it better work, but NOW here is fixed frenquency and sometimes it can stop working, why? Akula exatly don't know).
And first he start from 9 V battery from lower frenquency, because with higher frenquency lantern not start and after start he can make higher frenquency to get more power from lantern (LED's brighter shine).
 :D

Admin added:
Here is the new Lantern circuit number 4 in HD rendering I just made.

http://youtu.be/DnuXqnTlJNM (http://youtu.be/DnuXqnTlJNM)

Here are the 2 different circuit diagrams attached.


I saw your schematic with extra stuff removed. ... L2 is connected backwards (38 winding) and the LEDs are backwards, they are driven from negative potential to ground
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MenofFather on June 05, 2014, 06:00:34 PM

I saw your schematic with extra stuff removed. ... L2 is connected backwards (38 winding) and the LEDs are backwards, they are driven from negative potential to ground
If i good understand, L2 conected not in backwards, two coils wound in same direction. LEDs is feeded from back EMF. C28 capasitor can be leaved. :)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on June 05, 2014, 10:29:21 PM
If i good understand, L2 conected not in backwards, two coils wound in same direction. LEDs is feeded from back EMF. C28 capasitor can be leaved. :)
I see; I thought the diode symbol was so if currnt ran backwards (against the arrow) then it lit up...

 Fasltad sim  (http://www.falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+2.275989509352673+20+5.0+50%0AR+160+192+112+192+0+0+40.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Ag+224+336+192+336+0%0As+224+336+272+336+0+0+false%0As+160+192+208+192+0+0+false%0Ac+320+192+320+256+0+0.001+4.068569864387257%0Aw+320+256+320+336+0%0Aw+320+336+272+336+0%0Aw+320+192+272+192+0%0AT+416+192+464+256+0+0.002+2.0+151.5667816920792+-71.34038289575388+0.999%0Aw+320+192+416+192+0%0As+416+256+368+256+0+0+false%0Aw+320+256+368+256+0%0Ax+369+247+421+253+0+24+SW1%0Aw+464+256+496+256+0%0Ad+496+208+496+256+1+0.805904783%0Ad+496+256+496+288+1+0.805904783%0Aw+496+208+496+192+0%0Aw+496+192+560+192+0%0Aw+320+384+320+336+0%0Al+464+144+416+144+0+9.999999999999999E-5+-3.1225022567608887E-18%0Aw+416+144+416+112+0%0Aw+464+144+464+112+0%0Ar+416+112+464+112+0+320.0%0Ad+416+112+368+112+1+0.805904783%0Aw+368+112+320+112+0%0Aw+320+112+320+80+0%0Aw+496+288+496+320+0%0Aw+464+192+480+192+0%0Aw+480+192+480+384+0%0Aw+496+320+528+320+0%0Aw+528+320+528+144+0%0Aw+528+144+464+144+0%0Ad+320+80+384+80+1+0.805904783%0Aw+384+80+464+80+0%0Aw+464+80+464+112+0%0Aw+560+384+480+384+0%0Aw+480+384+320+384+0%0Ad+224+192+272+192+1+0.805904783%0Aw+224+192+208+192+0%0Aw+560+288+560+336+0%0Ad+320+112+320+160+1+0.805904783%0Aw+320+192+320+160+0%0A162+560+384+560+336+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+560+288+560+240+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+560+240+560+192+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0Ao+5+64+0+35+7.62939453125E-5+1638.4+0+-1%0Ao+31+64+0+35+20.0+9.765625E-5+1+-1%0A)

Hmmm... reversing the coil still sort of works; you sure it's the back emf and not the forward emf that's supposed to be used?



I mean for the ground-deform to happen to erly switch the transistor, the first action of L2 must be to conduct away from the emitter... and therefore into the LEDs which is backwards for what you have by common notations.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on June 06, 2014, 03:31:07 AM
Extended simulation, carried on using BEMF... it breaks the sim and I cannot identify why; or how to fix the error.


T0 is 0 of reset,
T1 is all power/ground switches closed, drive switch open
T2 is opening all power/ground switches and let it settle; small capacitances balance
T3 is with SW1 closed, building current (yellow traces)  in the primary coils
T4 is well, really just the very last instant... the voltage of the low rail goes to positive, there's no KA that transpire to actually fill the low side cap to that voltage..  the low rail should still be grey, but it is 8.7V which is higher than the input voltage...


I guess you can add capacitance to a gate to get the double pulsing after turnon also... which is the variable cap... I keep blaming inductance because that's what my situation was


when the simulation time is really really low ( it takes a long long time to charge the caps, so there's extra power/ground switches to fill to initial condition faster....


The sim...  (http://www.falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+5.0E-9+2.275989509352673+20+5.0+50%0AR+176+96+128+96+0+0+40.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Ag+224+352+192+352+0%0As+224+352+272+352+0+0+false%0As+176+96+224+96+0+0+false%0Ac+320+208+320+272+0+0.001+7.674750352431609%0Aw+320+272+320+352+0%0Aw+320+352+272+352+0%0AT+416+208+464+272+0+0.002+2.0+0.025561552107305745+5.421010862427522E-18+0.999%0As+416+272+368+272+0+1+false%0Aw+320+272+368+272+0%0Ax+369+263+421+269+0+24+SW1%0Ad+496+224+496+272+1+0.805904783%0Ad+496+272+496+304+1+0.805904783%0Aw+496+224+496+208+0%0Aw+496+208+560+208+0%0Aw+320+400+320+352+0%0Al+464+160+416+160+0+9.999999999999999E-5+2.7849919815927783E-19%0Aw+416+160+416+128+0%0Aw+464+160+464+128+0%0Ar+416+128+464+128+0+320.0%0Ad+416+128+368+128+1+0.805904783%0Aw+320+128+320+96+0%0Aw+496+304+496+336+0%0Aw+496+336+528+336+0%0Aw+528+336+528+160+0%0Ad+320+96+384+96+1+0.805904783%0Aw+384+96+464+96+0%0Aw+464+96+464+128+0%0Aw+240+96+224+96+0%0Ad+320+128+320+176+1+0.805904783%0Aw+320+208+320+176+0%0A162+560+400+560+352+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+560+304+560+256+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+560+256+560+208+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0Ac+240+32+240+96+0+1.0E-10+0.0%0Aw+240+32+176+32+0%0Aw+176+32+176+96+0%0Aw+480+400+416+352+2%0Ac+512+240+512+272+0+1.0E-10+0.0010000153426581448%0Aw+512+272+496+272+0%0Aw+512+240+512+224+0%0Aw+512+224+496+224+0%0Ac+416+304+368+304+0+1.0E-10+5.002556153875913%0Aw+416+304+416+272+0%0Aw+368+304+368+272+0%0Ar+416+208+368+208+0+0.1%0Aw+368+208+320+208+0%0Ar+480+208+480+256+0+1.0%0Aw+496+272+464+256+0%0Ar+528+160+496+160+0+1.0%0Aw+496+160+464+160+0%0Aw+320+272+224+272+0%0Ac+224+272+224+336+0+1.0E-10+0.0%0Aw+224+336+224+352+0%0Ar+512+400+544+400+0+2.0%0Aw+560+400+544+400+0%0Aw+512+400+480+400+0%0Ar+464+272+464+320+0+1.0%0Aw+464+320+464+352+0%0Aw+464+352+480+352+0%0Aw+480+352+480+400+0%0Ac+368+160+400+160+0+1.0E-10+-0.07483055544110595%0Aw+400+160+416+128+0%0Aw+368+160+368+128+0%0Aw+416+304+416+320+0%0Aw+416+320+288+320+0%0Aw+288+240+176+240+0%0As+176+240+112+240+0+0+false%0Aw+176+96+176+128+0%0Ar+288+320+288+288+0+0.1%0Aw+288+288+288+240+0%0Aw+464+208+480+208+0%0Aw+464+256+480+256+0%0As+192+272+192+304+0+0+false%0Aw+224+352+192+304+0%0Ar+224+272+192+272+0+1.0%0Aw+368+128+352+128+0%0Aw+352+128+352+176+0%0Aw+352+176+320+176+0%0Aw+240+96+320+96+0%0Aw+176+128+112+240+0%0Ad+560+352+560+304+1+0.805904783%0Aw+480+400+320+400+0%0Ax+196+124+241+129+0+20+SWP%0Ax+148+228+193+233+0+20+SWP%0Ax+131+299+179+304+0+20+SWG%0Ax+223+380+271+385+0+20+SWG%0Ax+306+406+358+412+0+24+hello%0Ao+5+64+0+35+7.62939453125E-5+0.2+0+-1%0Ao+30+64+0+35+10.0+9.765625E-5+1+-1%0Ao+14+64+0+291+40.0+9.765625E-5+2+-1%0Ao+12+64+0+291+20.0+9.765625E-5+3+-1%0Ao+71+64+0+35+40.0+9.765625E-5+4+-1%0Ao+26+64+0+291+10.0+9.765625E-5+5+-1%0Ao+57+64+0+289+7.62939453125E-5+9.765625E-5+6+-1%0Ao+54+64+0+33+7.62939453125E-5+9.765625E-5+7+-1%0Ao+37+64+0+35+7.62939453125E-5+9.765625E-5+8+-1%0A) Edit: fixed initial state of export
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: avalon on June 06, 2014, 06:40:19 AM
Hi Avalon,

diagram of your setup ?

Thanks
Look it up in 3V OU flashlight thread

~A
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MenofFather on June 06, 2014, 08:53:05 AM
I see; I thought the diode symbol was so if currnt ran backwards (against the arrow) then it lit up...

 Fasltad sim  (http://www.falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+4.9999999999999996E-6+2.275989509352673+20+5.0+50%0AR+160+192+112+192+0+0+40.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Ag+224+336+192+336+0%0As+224+336+272+336+0+0+false%0As+160+192+208+192+0+0+false%0Ac+320+192+320+256+0+0.001+4.068569864387257%0Aw+320+256+320+336+0%0Aw+320+336+272+336+0%0Aw+320+192+272+192+0%0AT+416+192+464+256+0+0.002+2.0+151.5667816920792+-71.34038289575388+0.999%0Aw+320+192+416+192+0%0As+416+256+368+256+0+0+false%0Aw+320+256+368+256+0%0Ax+369+247+421+253+0+24+SW1%0Aw+464+256+496+256+0%0Ad+496+208+496+256+1+0.805904783%0Ad+496+256+496+288+1+0.805904783%0Aw+496+208+496+192+0%0Aw+496+192+560+192+0%0Aw+320+384+320+336+0%0Al+464+144+416+144+0+9.999999999999999E-5+-3.1225022567608887E-18%0Aw+416+144+416+112+0%0Aw+464+144+464+112+0%0Ar+416+112+464+112+0+320.0%0Ad+416+112+368+112+1+0.805904783%0Aw+368+112+320+112+0%0Aw+320+112+320+80+0%0Aw+496+288+496+320+0%0Aw+464+192+480+192+0%0Aw+480+192+480+384+0%0Aw+496+320+528+320+0%0Aw+528+320+528+144+0%0Aw+528+144+464+144+0%0Ad+320+80+384+80+1+0.805904783%0Aw+384+80+464+80+0%0Aw+464+80+464+112+0%0Aw+560+384+480+384+0%0Aw+480+384+320+384+0%0Ad+224+192+272+192+1+0.805904783%0Aw+224+192+208+192+0%0Aw+560+288+560+336+0%0Ad+320+112+320+160+1+0.805904783%0Aw+320+192+320+160+0%0A162+560+384+560+336+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+560+288+560+240+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+560+240+560+192+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0Ao+5+64+0+35+7.62939453125E-5+1638.4+0+-1%0Ao+31+64+0+35+20.0+9.765625E-5+1+-1%0A)

Hmmm... reversing the coil still sort of works; you sure it's the back emf and not the forward emf that's supposed to be used?



I mean for the ground-deform to happen to erly switch the transistor, the first action of L2 must be to conduct away from the emitter... and therefore into the LEDs which is backwards for what you have by common notations.
I now have problem wiev schematic, but I shore, that LEDs is feeded from back EMF. And self running is feeded from normal transformation.
Here acording to T1000 citation LED is feeded from Back EMF

"The idea behind is - after first pulse you let BEMF to reach maximum and hit with current from transistor again on its peak time so the magnetic domains when coming back wil be supported by current and voltage from BEMF WILL ADD with current from transistor so C28 cap will charge from much higher voltage on positive half-cycle. The LEDs are powered from BEMF."
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2358.msg39158#msg39158
Only important part can be, that capasitors must be 50 or more volts that 1000 uF. ;)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on June 06, 2014, 09:34:47 AM

Edit: I think the schematic is correct... it's the capacitance on the transistor gate that causes the shut-off, because the voltage drops from the emitter conduction through to the base... so it's not a ground deform....


-----

The problem I end up with in simulations is .... a wire can only conduct one way or the other... I know that's not the truth because resonance is a back-standing wave... so there is a 2directional communciation...


The simulators fail if I have current flowing into or out of a capacitor on both sides at once....


Now I would think that the charge differential of that plate itself would be skewed asynch... but I cannot find any reference for this except maybe a 3 plate cap....


due to a 'displacement' current... then in must equal out... but I think in reality this is not the case..... and if you have an in it cannot at the same time be an out... so out and out or in and in is prohibited....






Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: pavqw on June 06, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
Well, my results are much better now regarding to LaserSaber circuit.
I use 2222A NPN transistor and 80 turns in both coils. Blue LED is powered now for cca 25 seconds. I figured out it has to be grounded else transistor is not opened so much.
It was little bit tricky to open this transistor, still there are very huge losses. So I want to order MPSA18 and try it again :o
It is very interesting it is changing its brightness dramatically when I touching it in various places.

But for me it is nothing more than DC->AC converter so current is much lower because LED is ON only for few mili/microseconds in each period instead of 100%. Raw power in Joule Thief is same or am I wrong?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on June 06, 2014, 05:54:33 PM
Examine your assumptions.

If your assumptions are wrong or even just incomplete, your interpretation of data will suffer and your conclusions may not be correct.


Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MenofFather on June 06, 2014, 07:49:06 PM
Edit: I think the schematic is correct... it's the capacitance on the transistor gate that causes the shut-off, because the voltage drops from the emitter conduction through to the base... so it's not a ground deform....


Only one but, bipolar transistors not have gate, only base. :) Or not?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MenofFather on June 06, 2014, 07:57:06 PM
But for me it is nothing more than DC->AC converter so current is much lower because LED is ON only for few mili/microseconds in each period instead of 100%. Raw power in Joule Thief is same or am I wrong?
If I good understand you, then yes. Basicly joule thief have efficienty about 80-90 precents, but maybe LaserSaber get that effect like Akula in Lantern 4 and get efficienty more than 100 precents? Because joule thief use pulses, Akula also use pulses in his lantern 4 with frenquency 200-450 herc how I understand.
 :)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: pavqw on June 06, 2014, 08:04:30 PM
Indeed, but we dont know, if Akula devices are yet another self looping joule thiefs. If Akula can provide video with at least 24h video in for example microwave environment and then disasembling, measurement of each component where could be potentionally hidden some cells or super capacitors, then it can convince me. It could be fine if he can send at least one simple OU device to me :)
Of course I still believe there are over unity devices and I'll continue my own experiments.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on June 06, 2014, 08:14:56 PM
Indeed, but we dont know, if Akula devices are yet another self looping joule thiefs. If Akula can provide video with at least 24h video in for example microwave environment and then disasembling, measurement of each component where could be potentionally hidden some cells or super capacitors, then it can convince me. It could be fine if he can send at least one simple OU device to me :)
Of course I still believe there are over unity devices and I'll continue my own experiments.
I'm afraid such a video wouldn't convince me, unless he did it in the presence of some credible scientists or academicians who would sign witness statements.

If he sent a working device to someone I can believe ... like me....,  that would convince me.

It might not convince you, though, if I reported that it _didn't_ work as advertised when I took it out of the box here.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: pavqw on June 06, 2014, 08:39:05 PM
I think presenting working device is not possible or is not very easy.
Each time something really worked, inventor was killed, arested or something.
It depends on country, but I think such devices should be opensourced as soon as possible.
It should'nt be patented. It takes a lot time to patent some stuff.
It must come to public as soon as possible with all details if inventor does not care about money.
Free energy is well documented in for example Sirius Disclosure or similar.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: corry on June 07, 2014, 08:08:02 AM
Look it up in 3V OU flashlight thread

~A

Many Thanks, Avalon,

but, among many, in which post, please?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on June 07, 2014, 02:04:40 PM
Only one but, bipolar transistors not have gate, only base. :) Or not?
sorry for me gate and base have the same function so the name is interchanable... might as well be drain collector or source and emitter...  :) 


car and automobile...


 Falstad sim...  (http://www.falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+5.0E-9+7.308818067910767+44+5.0+50%0AR+400+144+352+144+0+0+40.0+5.0+0.0+0.0+0.5%0Ag+448+400+416+400+0%0As+448+400+496+400+0+0+false%0As+400+144+448+144+0+0+false%0Ac+544+256+544+320+0+0.001+7.672826930037577%0Aw+544+320+544+400+0%0Aw+544+400+496+400+0%0AT+640+256+688+320+0+0.002+2.0+0.07598894987695815+-2.4387183263077845E-5+0.999%0As+640+320+592+320+0+1+false%0Ax+593+311+645+317+0+24+SW1%0Ad+720+272+720+320+1+0.805904783%0Ad+720+320+720+352+1+0.805904783%0Aw+720+272+720+256+0%0Aw+720+256+784+256+0%0Aw+544+448+544+400+0%0Al+688+208+640+208+0+9.999999999999999E-5+-2.932925905919607E-17%0Aw+688+208+688+176+0%0Ar+640+176+688+176+0+320.0%0Ad+640+176+592+176+1+0.805904783%0Aw+544+176+544+144+0%0Aw+720+352+720+384+0%0Aw+720+384+752+384+0%0Aw+752+384+752+208+0%0Ad+544+144+608+144+1+0.805904783%0Aw+608+144+688+144+0%0Aw+688+144+688+176+0%0Aw+464+144+448+144+0%0Ad+544+176+544+224+1+0.805904783%0Aw+544+256+544+224+0%0A162+784+448+784+400+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+784+352+784+304+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0A162+784+304+784+256+1+2.1024259+1.0+0.0+0.0%0Ac+464+80+464+144+0+1.0E-10+0.0%0Aw+464+80+400+80+0%0Aw+400+80+400+144+0%0Ac+736+288+736+320+0+1.0E-10+0.5403755766509466%0Aw+736+320+720+320+0%0Aw+736+288+736+272+0%0Aw+736+272+720+272+0%0Ac+640+352+592+352+0+1.0E-10+5.00759889353225%0Aw+640+352+640+320+0%0Aw+592+352+592+320+0%0Ar+640+256+592+256+0+0.1%0Aw+592+256+544+256+0%0Ar+704+256+704+304+0+1.0%0Aw+720+320+688+304+0%0Ar+752+208+720+208+0+1.0%0Aw+720+208+688+208+0%0Aw+544+320+448+320+0%0Ac+448+320+448+384+0+1.0E-10+0.0%0Aw+448+384+448+400+0%0Ar+736+448+768+448+0+2.0%0Aw+784+448+768+448+0%0Aw+736+448+704+448+0%0Aw+688+400+704+400+0%0Aw+704+400+704+448+0%0Ac+592+208+624+208+0+1.0E-10+1.4210854715202004E-14%0Aw+624+208+640+176+0%0Aw+592+208+592+176+0%0Aw+640+352+640+368+0%0Aw+640+368+512+368+0%0Aw+512+288+400+288+0%0As+400+288+336+288+0+0+false%0Aw+400+144+400+176+0%0Ar+512+368+512+336+0+0.1%0Aw+512+336+512+288+0%0Aw+688+304+704+304+0%0As+416+320+416+352+0+0+false%0Aw+448+400+416+352+0%0Ar+448+320+416+320+0+1.0%0Aw+592+176+576+176+0%0Aw+576+176+576+224+0%0Aw+576+224+544+224+0%0Aw+464+144+544+144+0%0Aw+400+176+336+288+0%0Ad+784+400+784+352+1+0.805904783%0Aw+704+448+544+448+0%0Ax+420+172+465+177+0+20+SWP%0Ax+372+276+417+281+0+20+SWP%0Ax+355+347+403+352+0+20+SWG%0Ax+447+428+495+433+0+20+SWG%0Ar+544+320+592+320+0+0.01%0Aw+640+208+592+176+0%0Ar+688+400+688+352+0+1.0%0Aw+688+352+672+352+0%0Aw+672+352+688+256+0%0Aw+704+256+672+240+0%0Aw+672+240+688+320+0%0Aw+992+400+992+416+0%0Ac+784+192+784+144+0+9.999999999999999E-6+0.001%0Aw+784+144+832+144+0%0Aw+832+144+832+384+0%0Aw+832+448+784+448+0%0As+784+256+784+192+0+1+false%0Aw+832+384+832+448+0%0Ao+5+64+0+35+7.62939453125E-5+0.8+0+-1%0Ao+28+64+0+35+20.0+9.765625E-5+1+-1%0Ao+13+64+0+291+20.0+1.953125E-4+2+-1%0Ao+11+64+0+291+20.0+9.765625E-5+3+-1%0Ao+24+64+0+291+80.0+9.765625E-5+4+-1%0Ao+51+64+0+33+7.62939453125E-5+1.953125E-4+5+-1%0Ao+76+64+0+291+7.62939453125E-5+9.765625E-5+6+-1%0Ao+43+64+0+291+18.707220957835556+0.09353610478917779+7+-1%0A)


Was playing with this more, and it really does work better with your abbreviated schamentic to reverse L2's connections.  The first shove from the pulse is then into the LED's and the back pulls the high voltage... but then L2 is conducting from power to ground, and so is the choke rather than fighting....

Yes, you can build a high potential first, but then the current is from negative to the LEDs when the choke fires which meets and opposing current....


Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: avalon on June 07, 2014, 06:09:43 PM
Many Thanks, Avalon,

but, among many, in which post, please?
http://www.overunity.com/14524/3v-ou-flashlight/msg404967/#msg404967

~A
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on June 08, 2014, 05:22:25 AM
@MenOfFather


I threw together a demo of this, and the power draw is significantly reduced if the secondary is reversed, so the first pulse causes the top side to go Low... then when it springs back it goes high, which is in sync with the choke's current.




It's still drawing 40-80 mA at 9V though so 1000uF doesn't last very long... (was 160-240mA with the coil as it's shown)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on June 08, 2014, 01:47:33 PM

*shrug*  someone could surely do this better... I used a lot of 1n4184 diodes in all places labeled diode...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uF5F0nGTQg



Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on June 12, 2014, 04:29:33 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acUc2jg-ZrU


http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/134845-akuly0083-fonariki.html?start=540#221091


either it works for just 10 seconds, or it does work.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: madsatbg on June 18, 2014, 06:49:54 PM

Hello,
Continue Akula 0083 flashlight 4 replica   ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_saCBQHVIkY&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_saCBQHVIkY&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on July 16, 2014, 10:06:27 AM
Revised a little; this works a little better than the modified tesla-torch schematic...


10mA at 6V; amount of load determines operating range... 20 LEDs can run up to 8V then stops at higher voltage... runs down to about 5V;  [size=78%]10LEDs runs down at 5V... fewer LEDs more current draw...

using same LEDs lasersaber does in telsa torch.
capacitor/choke are experimental values and not really picked...
also don't know if maybe using a smaller drive cap will be more effective... more voltage recovery from choke... needs to be isolated from power source too maybe
2n2222 works better than mpsa18 as transistor


Edit:
Huge brightness increase if I disconnect the choke, and leave the capacitor (which goes to +50 some volts in this case);  but pulls 250mA, and the transistor starts getting HOT.
The voltage at the collector never goes to 0 above 1.2V or so input...
but I'm using a huge ratio coil; going to swap that soon... small capacitance leads to more power draw at similar brightness... inductance of choke needs to be tuned to empty the cap at about the same rate as the duty cycle... too small of an inductance and might as well not even have the cap there... maybe I should remove that whole choke/secondary cap...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on July 16, 2014, 01:53:12 PM
3 minutes on 68mF with more brightness :)   ( 42 minutes on 1F projected could probably reduce the resistor on the LEDs at that )
Filled in more values.
With more matched primary/secondary collector does get to 0V above 1.4V....
Have to swap back to my 37uH/27mH coil and try fewer LEDs and remove the extra diode...
When I switched to this 1mH/3mH coil I had to use a resistor to the base for a while... last version did not use a resistor to the base.  Have video proof but it needs to be spliced together... and still isn't a finished product so maybe I'll just keep them as historic reference.


Edit: Remeasured choke it's not 3mH; it's 116mH or 526mH (either works)... it's lower power with such a big choke; otherwise there's no momentum... that is there's no charge to the second small cap.  Could probably go lower... might relate to the inductance of the secondary coil...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on July 17, 2014, 01:16:29 PM
I don't understand.  The current state of this circuit is boggling my mind. 


got some NTE172A; TRANSISTOR NPN SILICON DARLINGTON 40V IC=0.33A TO-92 PRE-AMP MEDIUM SPEED SWITCH; 7000 gain
( http://www.alliedelec.com/images/products/datasheets/bm/NTE_ELECTRONICS/70215725.pdf (http://www.alliedelec.com/images/products/datasheets/bm/NTE_ELECTRONICS/70215725.pdf) )

and BAT41; Diode; 100 mA (Continuous); 110 V (Typ.) @ 25 degC(Reverse); 1 V (Max.); 400 mW;
I got them because of 400mV forward voltage and 5ns reverse time;I guess schottky are just fast)
( http://www.alliedelec.com/images/products/datasheets/bm/VISHAY_SEMICONDUCTOR_PDD/70061664.pdf (http://www.alliedelec.com/images/products/datasheets/bm/VISHAY_SEMICONDUCTOR_PDD/70061664.pdf) )

Using original micro-pot, 1mH:3mH coil...

http://youtu.be/q-2gZasEgm8 (http://youtu.be/q-2gZasEgm8)

I dunno... looks like more wire I remove lower power it is... when I started and got it stable I had a lot of extra coils/caps connected, and it was pulling .21A... and the transistor was getting hot... got it down to .17A... and now it's .7A without all the extra stuff connected... actually by the end of the video it's at 40mA... I don't get it.

The power has to go through the 165pF cap at 0.04A but the frequency is only like 40kHz...

without cap, don't get very good voltage; the capacitance was originally chosen to be in resonsant frequency with the coil/transistor before, just ended up keeping them.
I think I should solder this.


Edit: Correction: image indicates 68mF; actually only using a 470uF on the video.
Edit2: collapsed the circuit to 1 board and shorter jumpers between parts; no real increase... the 165pF cap is actually 2 330 caps in series, and I had to add a wire that I could touch to start the high power output on the junction between the caps.  Frequency is less than 7Khz really....
Previously I was touching just an aligator clip that was between it that restarted it.
I added a metal sphere to the low side output just before the LEDs, and touching this sphere reduces power from 70mA to 40mA
(http://youtu.be/i-OyJ2A7cFc (http://youtu.be/i-OyJ2A7cFc)) touching the sphere also increases the brightness of the LEDs.  It's not grounding the sphere... it's already -80V (added a string of blue LEDs) when I added the red or orange LEDs the frequency goes up and consumes 210mA.


This method of driving this circuit does not recover as much energy from the coil as it could...well I guess maybe it does; forgot the diode from base to ground... was thinking that leaving that direct to ground as in the original scheme that it would be better...


Edit3: Started again this morning to test this.  It was very difficult to start this morning
Revised schematic to more accurately reflect current circuit.
Attaching scope probes (changing capacitance by even a tiny amount) makes the effect go away and/or draw much more power.  This power is through the transistor, as the transistor does start to get hot.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on July 17, 2014, 10:36:21 PM
(updated schematic in previous post)


http://youtu.be/c3BGTQ5onow (http://youtu.be/c3BGTQ5onow)


Experimented with some different coils... higher inductance ratio = greater output for similar current input...
Very low inductance on primary results in higher current draw...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHqlfgXNYZU


Limited size of these small pot cores limits what ratios I can really get... so I'm going to wind some other cores with higher primary inductance to get back to lower current draw, and even higher secondary inductance...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on July 18, 2014, 08:28:17 AM
Ya good thing noone picked that up; probably the wrong direction, as simple as it is...


This is lower currrent (higher voltage because the TL494 requires 6V at least)
Need to swap for a more balanced inductance coil; although I get good power... the recover side cannot use a capacitor...


; ( coil notation is wrong it's 100uH:19mH ) will swap to the specified coil...


edit: using the 1mH;3mH coil just reduces power output... turns out one of my diodes was bad, maybe a capacitor can be used with the other coil...
with a large enough inductance, it just drops more current faster as frequency increases... there's no overlap/resonsance to be used... (looks like a saw tooth always).. the smaller the capacitor, the higher it charges... *shrug*


I dunno this coil/core has no double-kickback either...
The secondary coil should be swapped from how it's used with the kacher circuit... works better if the first cycle (turn on transistor) hits the diode splitter with low voltage...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on July 18, 2014, 09:19:18 AM
Very nice! You are eliminating the unnecessary parts of the circuit and soon you will be down to the bare Joule Thief that is lurking inside all of these circuits.

You will eventually reach the point where your LEDs are lit by the ambient power coming from any nearby radio transmitter or RF noise emitter. And then you will understand the secret of Akula/Ruslan/Wesley, and you will be well on the way to grokking Kapanadze as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgndINJHnd0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgndINJHnd0)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on July 18, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
Very nice! You are eliminating the unnecessary parts of the circuit and soon you will be down to the bare Joule Thief that is lurking inside all of these circuits.

You will eventually reach the point where your LEDs are lit by the ambient power coming from any nearby radio transmitter or RF noise emitter. And then you will understand the secret of Akula/Ruslan/Wesley, and you will be well on the way to grokking Kapanadze as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgndINJHnd0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgndINJHnd0)
Could be :) Nice demo :) Except for 2 reasons that really aren't very strong reasons.
1) Lantern 4 operating condition is shown to be at kilo-hertz... but reviewing it, at that point of the board construction he has no LEDs, only the coil and drive circuit.
2) 3 5V LEDs in series requires more work than one 1.5V green LED...  but the white LED type is not specified so they may also be low voltage...

But I'm not dismissin ya :) My kacher version was working at 7Khz... don't know any radio sources at that range...  (and then I searched and found... information at the end... )
I'm finding that the negative power field has interesting properties different from a positive potential; but I dunno... the resistor that makes more current... maybe because it holds that potential lower increasing the impedance, hence increasing the work needed to add to the field... touching my sphere-electrode .. increasing brightness and lowering power requirement... and it's not capacitance, adding a capacitor (tried multiple sizes) to any other point doesn't help, in fact hurts the performance... lots of 60Hz in the air, and touching a scope probe I can read like 100V from me... so maybe that's where it's coming from... hard to tell since I can't add a scope probe there and have it also work...

I do have faith that electrical engineers would never continue to work with a circuit that required touching it to make it work...
The thing the falstad sims gave me was that capacitors are not positive and negative as separate things, but moving charge to positive causes an inevitable flow of charge away from the other side immediately... So in the original schematic, even if positive is collected on the C28 cap, it ends up drawing in more from the ground side also... which means it's really a loop with the inductor anwyay... That's actually what breaks falstad simulator, if I end up with a condition that has current into both sides of a capacitor or away from both sides of a capacitor falstad fails immediately; LTSpice just gets really really slow trying to resolve the issue.

https://sites.google.com/site/somaliaamateurradio/somaliaphotos26
"Here are some of the results of experiments on 0 – 9 kHz by amateur radio operators.

       500 Hz – 5.000 kHz, 0.5 kHz – 5 kHz KC6QPO in the USA used 100 Watt Electric field to cover 3.3 km.
  1.000 kHz, 1 kHz G3XBM in the UK used 4 Watts with ground electrodes (10 m base) to cover 0.3 km.
  6.000 kHz, 6 kHz G0AKN in the UK used 1 kW (1000 Watts) with ground electrodes to cover 10 km.
  6.000 kHz, 6 kHz KD4RLD in the USA used 100 watts with ground electrodes and loop to cover 10 km.
  7.000 kHz, 7 kHz KD4RLD in the USA used 100 watts with ground electrodes and loop to cover 10 km.
  8.800 kHz, 8.8 kHz KD4RLD in the USA used 100 watts with ground electrodes and loop to cover 10 km.
  8.900 kHz, 8.9 kHz IW3SGT in Italy used 8 Watts to cover 0.1 km.
  8.930 kHz, 8.93 kHz DK8KW in Germany used 10 Watts with Electric field to cover 1 km.
  8.950 kHz, 8.95 kHz DJ2LF in Germany used 6 Watts with ground electrodes to cover 1.3 km.
  8.950 kHz, 8.95 kHz DJ2LF in Germany used 14 Watts with Electric field to cover 2.5 km.
  8.969 kHz, 8.969 kHz DF6NM in Germany used 20 Watts with a kite antenna to cover 4.5 km.
  8.975 kHz, 8.975 kHz VK2ZTO in Australia used 380 Watts with ground electrodes to cover 1.6 km.
10.000 kHz, 10 kHz DL5KZ in Germany used 4 Watts from commercial equipment for finding underground cables with ground electrodes to cover 3 km.
Special license issued to radio amateurs in Germany to communicate on 8.9 kHz to 9 kHz.
Special license issued to radio amateurs in Sweden to communicate on 7 kHz to 8.5 kHz.
In some countries no license is needed to transmit below 9 kHz because internationally the frequencies from 0 – 9 kHz is not allocated to anyone."
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: kEhYo77 on July 18, 2014, 02:40:43 PM
Sup, peeps!?


This core arrangement looks very much like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M) Melnichenko's transformer.
The gap between the core pieces is essential, the rest is demagnetization energy,
just like in a flyback, but with the addition of some extra umgh from a decoupled core part.
Just look at the short primary winding and how it is coupled to one half of the core.

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on July 18, 2014, 03:43:23 PM
Sup, peeps!?


This core arrangement looks very much like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8c82ABs02M) Melnichenko's transformer.
The gap between the core pieces is essential, the rest is demagnetization energy,
just like in a flyback, but with the addition of some extra umgh from a decoupled core part.
Just look at the short primary winding and how it is coupled to one half of the core.
Interesting.

a) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkhausen_effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkhausen_effect)  "A coil of wire wound on the ferromagnetic material can demonstrate the sudden, discontinuous jumps in magnetization." Was trying to search for something resembling the demonstrated signal effect... was the closest thing I could find... may also relate as one side is magnetized, then the second part start to get magnetized a 'jump' in signal might occur.

b) ferromagnetic-energy.com (site from video) is no longer active, but there are some archived states: may 21,2009 - (dead by apr 30,2011)
  1) http://wayback.archive.org/web/20110202224232/http://ferromagnetic-energy.com/ (http://wayback.archive.org/web/20110202224232/http://ferromagnetic-energy.com/) (missing core of physical effect page)
  2) http://wayback.archive.org/web/20100831042038/http://ferromagnetic-energy.com/core_of_the_physical_effect (http://wayback.archive.org/web/20100831042038/http://ferromagnetic-energy.com/core_of_the_physical_effect)
there may have been some member-only pages, there was a registration form in 2009... by 2011 it was gone....
 
I do remember a spacer in both the pot core version and flyback core versions.


Edit: And... a split ferrite flyback core (should try without split also) Give the secondary pulse-backs at like 10us with a 2-3us width.
Not detected on my pot core which has the primary wound all on one side. (had a wider gap though in ratio) all but one of my pot cores has the primary/secondary spanning both halves.
Also; mandates the direction of the coils then.  If the secondary is reversed, it goes into runaway oscillation, because the primary gets feedback from the secondary's pulse, and changes the direction of the pulse on the collector side... if the pulse is a strong negative, it causes the transistor to turn on again, and runaway at a pulse frequency of the 10us.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on July 18, 2014, 06:14:32 PM
These pulses then.....


(someday it will finish processing; but really the attached image is the only important point.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQxfkpFOPz4
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: kEhYo77 on July 18, 2014, 06:57:37 PM
ferroresonance?  ;)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on July 19, 2014, 04:26:21 AM
Adding a diode between the collector and coil stops perpetual(or even secondary) oscillation ;  extra oscillations are real power draw, and are not free... they trick the transistor into conducting. 
scope shot is really that the pulse happens when the gate goes off.  It can be higher amplitude, have the pulse width about as short as I can get it... a longer lead time to conduct allows more energy to be stored; (up to saturation?).
Extra ringing on the circuit is induced by the scope probe having a capacitance.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on July 27, 2014, 01:52:33 PM
a few incarnations of akula devices... maybe demo by akula... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnFgr9eu7bA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnFgr9eu7bA)and a TPU device

Looks like the version 4 (attached, cut from schematic)

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on July 31, 2014, 05:43:09 AM
That video was privated here's another upload http://youtu.be/w_WCcUXvZK8


english translation of original lantern 4 video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbyJKRuzFLw

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on July 31, 2014, 07:33:12 AM
Lots of room inside that big electrolytic capacitor can.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on July 31, 2014, 08:19:00 AM
Lots of room inside that big electrolytic capacitor can.
ya? I got some hand crank flashlights for $3.25 that said 'no batteries'.  kind of a nicer crank than lasersaber's... because it's geared and has a bit of flywheel action.  (was worth it to me just for the crank part)  So I got them, and the body consists of the hand crank, and only a small area where circuit could be.  Upon disaseembly I found 1 resistor, 3 batteries (L1131 about 3/8"OD by 1/8") a switch and the LEDs.  Light ran for several hours on the batteries; but they will NEVER recharge from that hand crank... so after they are gone, the device is useless.  A good squeeze and the LEDs will light for.... 3 seconds maybe.... so not even something as clever as lasersaber's thing. 
But anyway... power source irrelavent....


Please produce the same wave form from a similar gate signal.
required(permitted) parts - a power source(anything you like), a coil(on a core, probably with an air gap), a transistor/fet, and any form of oscillator you like to drive the transistor/fet. required(permitted) connections Coil goes between power and the collector/source, ground goes to emitter/drain, oscillator goes to gate/base.  No further components to be connected to fet or coil.  (english translation, he is using a NPN, but will use a IRF after).
Measure on base and collector.
I'm be really generous and say : power source can be like a bench supply, oscillator can be a signal generator... the point isn't about power-in power-out, the point is the long rising signal on collector/source from negative voltage back to supply voltage.  long being at least 1ms.


second image scope probe zero line is shown, the below-zero is definatly shown... and the time scale is in 1ms per division... the next step down shown shortly after this is 4 digits uS time.
I know... it's all CGI! 
Until you do; please cease your propaganda on hidden power sources.
Edit: I guess I should include; power source cannot be current limited. (like one could make a similar graph with a milliwatt limited supply and a cap in parallel... but that wouldn't include the negative path.) The power supply must be able to supply at least enough current as the circuit is capable of using.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on July 31, 2014, 08:35:16 AM
@TK
I don't know if you came back and read quickly; after several minutes I added an edit.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on July 31, 2014, 08:55:57 PM
*sigh* thought I had source/drain down.  n channel source is ground, drain is to positive.. so reverse drain/source mentioned before; believe collector/emitter.


Quote
Please produce the same wave form from a similar gate signal.
required(permitted) parts - a power source(anything you like), a coil(on a core, probably with an air gap), a transistor/fet, and any form of oscillator you like to drive the transistor/fet. required(permitted) connections Coil goes between power and the collector/DRAIN, ground goes to emitter/SOURCE, oscillator goes to gate/base.  No further components to be connected to fet or coil.  (english translation, he is using a NPN, but will use a IRF after).
Measure on base and collector.
I'm be really generous and say : power source can be like a bench supply, oscillator can be a signal generator... the point isn't about power-in power-out, the point is the long rising signal on collector/source from negative voltage back to supply voltage.  long being at least 1ms... several hundred microseconds even.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 01:26:20 AM
Huh? I must not be understanding you. You want me to reproduce that particular waveform with some very restricted oscillator system? What is the relevance of that?  I and others have shown that the circuits, when finally settled on a schematic, work as described. The only discrepancy is the power supply, and there is always some discrepancy between the pictures of the actual device that is "self running" and the circuits we are building, in appearance or components or something. They will make the waveforms they make, when supplied with power! There is nothing in a particular scope trace that indicates where the power to the circuit is coming from. 
And you don't need to be able to recharge the hidden batteries! They just have to power the LEDs for a day, long enough to catch a Big Fish, which you and I know can be easily done. I can take my "akula" circuit with the two chips, put concealed batteries inside one of the capacitor cans, and it will easily run for a day, happily making its burst oscillation waveforms all the while.

I am happy to cooperate with you to perform any testing you like, but I would like to understand the rationale. I respect you and I think that you are in earnest and that your conclusions, more than those of many I encounter, are data-driven rather than theory-driven, and I like that. My own experience with low voltage boost converters and oscillators and JTs and resonant phenomena and wireless power and stage magic and cynical fraudsters makes me conclude that there is trickery in what Akula presents, more sophisticated trickery than we have seen in a long time, and this makes it very entertaining. I have not been able to _disprove_ this hypothesis. However I have, to my satisfaction, disproven the hypothesis that the circuit I built, which makes _identical_ waveforms to the Akula-demonstrated version, is capable of self-running. SO either the waveforms have nothing to do with self running and both self runners and non self runners can make identical waveforms, OR.... neither unit is actually self-running and Akula's must be powered somehow. Possibilities are: deliberate wireless power to a tuned circuit (which I have demonstrated); Inadvertent pickup of strong EM in the background (also demonstrated); concealed batteries (also demonstrated in one form, soon to be demonstrated in another form) and so on. My own efforts to disprove these hypotheses can't go much further without access to a "known" self-runner, and we can be damned sure that Akula isn't going to send us one.

Enough for now, carry on, and if you can explain what you really are looking for in the "waveform challenge" I'll see if I can oblige. (I can't tell from your screen even if your scope channel is AC or DC coupled, much less see enough to try to replicate the waveform. Can't your scope do screen-saves?)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 01, 2014, 07:53:42 AM
Huh? I must not be understanding you. You want me to reproduce that particular waveform with some very restricted oscillator system?

Enough for now, carry on, and if you can explain what you really are looking for in the "waveform challenge" I'll see if I can oblige. (I can't tell from your screen even if your scope channel is AC or DC coupled, much less see enough to try to replicate the waveform. Can't your scope do screen-saves?)
Not a restricted oscillator.... It may take a few back and forths to get this across... so I'll start with a general diagram.
I cannot replicate the state although void nearly did http://www.overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg412287/#msg412287

All I have to go on is low def videos... and there's more detail available in motion.
http://youtu.be/rbyJKRuzFLw (22:01 length, with english overlays)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-EmSMOYXVc  (original;repost by akulavids; 22:01 length so should match 1:1)

Scope identification from video: Atten 1062CML (60Mhz); while looking for a user manual, most images of 1062 models are actually 1162 model.
http://micromir.ucoz.ru/Oscil/Atten/ADS1000_User_Manual.pdf
Scope is set to DC on CH1 and CH2

Q1/M1 is a NPN transistor or N-Channel Mosfet
L1 is a coil on a core
L2 is wound on the core also but at the first part is not connected to anything; the output circuit is not built on the board in the beginning of the video  (http://youtu.be/S-EmSMOYXVc?t=3m12s 3:12)
(included for completeness)
P.S. - Power supply should be voltage limited but not current limited (although I know that most bench power supplies have a current limit feature that could make some of the output, and have some limit anyway, it's a short pulse so it shouldn't be a lot of current)
Osc. - Oscillator.  Short duty cycle square wave.

Details that may matter; the rise is very short; the fall on blue channel is also very short (3ns rise time on base).   22ns fall time on collector

High res image (didn't want to break forum)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B812EYiKwtkkVFN4MUQwVmVtZ1k

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Input voltage is probably 12V
both probes are probably set at 10x without setting 10x on scope.
Akula uses a hex-inverter chip to generate the oscillator, which has nearly a fixed duty cycle.  There is an adjustable capacitor from the gate to ground that is adjusted around 7:20 in the video.
But at this point I'm more interested in how to get the collector to go below zero and stay there for a long time.  (I didn't mark in the T2 block; at time 2 after 7:20 the length of the rize at the end, but it is in the scale of several hundred to 3ms in length).
Since there's no other component around the coil, if the coil at the collector was low, it should nearly instantly satisfy to the power supply and oscillate up; there is no oscillation... The only other way I can see generating this signal would be to current limit the power supply, so the collector doesn't go back up because all potential would be drained from the positive supply... but the power supply is soldered into the circuit (0:12 - 1:32 at which point he flips the board over)... and it has no issue recovering before T2 (adjusting the gate capacitance... assuming to a higher value)

http://www.overunity.com/14687/akula-eternal-lantern-4/  (link to page 1, post 1, schematics here)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 01, 2014, 08:15:53 AM
Here's a more complete circuit between the oscillator and the gate, since the capacitance/resistor will matter.
Can probably be fixed values... but the 0-220 will probably have to be changed between various fixed values.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 02, 2014, 07:32:18 PM

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Input voltage is probably 12V

Does this picture not shows that he uses 3.1V input?

Regards Itsu
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 02, 2014, 07:38:03 PM
Does this picture not shows that he uses 3.1V input?

Regards Itsu
ya; was thinking about that later.... when I was looking the blow-up of the DC status.... 2.0V... I Guess it's about a divisiion and a half. It woulda beeen like 24V, but then the gate voltage didn't make sense... so ya makes sense he's testing at 3.1.
so probes are at 1x.

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 02, 2014, 08:56:10 PM
Here's a more complete circuit between the oscillator and the gate, since the capacitance/resistor will matter.
Can probably be fixed values... but the 0-220 will probably have to be changed between various fixed values.

I have been testing with this diagram, but no way to get the negative signal on the collector.
Using MJE13005 and MJE13007 with 9, 12 and latest 3V input.
Input pulse used is an all positive 1 to 4V amplitude, 0.3 to 20% duty cycle, 100Hz to 3MHz frequency signal from my FG.
The 220pF variable capacitor shows no effect at all.

The below screenshot is taken at 3.1V input, at 15Khz with 15% duty cycle

Yellow = base signal
Blue    = collector signal
Purple = FG input at the 10nF/10 Ohm cap/resistor
Green  = current probe output on plus input voltage lead (set at 20mA/div.).

Regards Itsu
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 02, 2014, 10:27:50 PM
Thanks for that Itsu. I have not been able to reproduce the original strange waveforms I got
when I first tried some testing looking for an effect similar to what Akula shows in his Lantern 4 video.
Maybe what I saw was just due to some glitch or instability with my pulser board. Still testing with this however.
All the best.


Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 02, 2014, 10:54:35 PM
Well... I was searching for 'flyback pulses' and various similar things... 'transformer gap pulse' but found no images that relate (except the one I posted on this thread :) )


The first pulse comes back while the base is on... and there's a definate dip in the voltage on the base as a result of the pulse...


Duty cycle will have to be longer than 20us
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 02, 2014, 10:56:42 PM
Just setup with my flyback core and mobius coil to see if I could replicate; I was only getting a large pulse when the base turned off... change back to a mpsa18 and had to make the pulse longer than 20-30us to get a pulse while the base was still on... but no negative dip
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 02, 2014, 11:56:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_fd9mk15rE
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 03, 2014, 12:18:49 PM
Well... I was searching for 'flyback pulses' and various similar things... 'transformer gap pulse' but found no images that relate (except the one I posted on this thread :) )


The first pulse comes back while the base is on... and there's a definate dip in the voltage on the base as a result of the pulse...


Duty cycle will have to be longer than 20us

Not sure why you are calling them  'flyback pulses'  as in the diagram in reply #65 i understand you (and i) are only using the primary
coil with the secondary not connected to anything (i did load it sometimes with 470 Ohm resistor to get rid of the many ringing signals)

Allthough i have wound the prim./sec. coils on a flyback core, to my understanding, there is no flyback like action going because we have no diode etc. connected to the secondary.

Regards Itsu

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 03, 2014, 04:51:34 PM
Not sure why you are calling them  'flyback pulses'  as in the diagram in reply #65 i understand you (and i) are only using the primary
coil with the secondary not connected to anything (i did load it sometimes with 470 Ohm resistor to get rid of the many ringing signals)

Allthough i have wound the prim./sec. coils on a flyback core, to my understanding, there is no flyback like action going because we have no diode etc. connected to the secondary.

Regards Itsu
Well... I don't know what else to call them....
In my video i didn't have a secondary on the core... just the primary...
I also tried for 'melnichenko pulse'
but it didn't seem to matter if the core was closed(no gap) or open.


It's kinda a chicken and egg.  Although when I zoom in it seems the base starts to go low, and the collector goes high... so I dunno maybe it's the inductance of the 2-3inch wire I have to the emitter (base?)....
was testing at 4.0V.


... so looking at details of akula's board... he has the power supply with a long wire soldered to a large-ish capacitor...
Hmm schematic must be wrong... the pulldown(1k) and variable(0-.22n) cap must be on the other side of the 10ohm&10n to the base...
*sigh* and there's 2 transistor things that aren't represented...


(image 5) at the chinese demo, he got rid of what was labeled C28 is replaced with a diode
going to work on this sketch a little more; in the beginning clip he didn't have the diodes...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 03, 2014, 05:19:31 PM
The gap does matter; I had some of the glue leftover from where the space was on my core, so I wasn't actually getting it closed... removed the glue, and a closed core does not do the same thing.


On akula's (an prior times I saw this' the collector rises before the base does down... so it had looked like the collector was the first...
on my video, the base is falling first for sure....though in prior experiments I have seen that it appeared the collector was first to react...


Although; akula's scope is on the other side of the cap/resistor from the base... so maybe the base is falling first (the capacitance is satisfied by current from the emitter...) but then it recharges very fast
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 03, 2014, 06:22:33 PM

... so looking at details of akula's board... he has the power supply with a long wire soldered to a large-ish capacitor...
Hmm schematic must be wrong... the pulldown(1k) and variable(0-.22n) cap must be on the other side of the 10ohm&10n to the base...
*sigh* and there's 2 transistor things that aren't represented...

I don't think that would make any sense to have the  pulldown(1k) and variable(0-.22n) cap at the other side of the 10ohm&10n.
The fysical location on the print does not confirm this, also the pulldown (1K) would be needed there right at the base when using an IRF (MOSFET)
which he mentions he would start using when he found the ferroresonance of the core.

The "2 transistor things" are in the 2e diagram in post #1 of this thread:

Regards Itsu

 
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 03, 2014, 06:45:57 PM
I don't think that would make any sense to have the  pulldown(1k) and variable(0-.22n) cap at the other side of the 10ohm&10n.
The fysical location on the print does not confirm this, also the pulldown (1K) would be needed there right at the base when using an IRF (MOSFET)
which he mentions he would start using when he found the ferroresonance of the core.

The "2 transistor things" are in the 2e diagram in post #1 of this thread:

Regards Itsu
I concur that the pulldown should be on the mosfet side...
But; the physical layout of the board... the variable capacitor is not near the mosfet... and there's a resistor in parallel with it...


I'll check the other schematic; have been working from a simplified version apparently... but with the PNP/NPN part of the gate driver there too... would a pulldown even be needed?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 03, 2014, 06:55:19 PM
Overlaying the two schematics and fading between them... other than slight alignment differences of a name and a couple traces... this is the only difference

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 03, 2014, 07:14:50 PM
The 'flyback mode' or 'flyback effect' can be seen when just observing the primary with no secondary.
Basically all this mode is, is putting a small gap in the ferrite toroid core to increase the reluctance
of the ferrite core a bit. The result of doing this (adding the small gap) is that the back pulse created by the coil when the driving
pulse is quickly switched off climbs up to a higher voltage peak value. I am not sure of the actual physics of
why this works, but that is the end result of introducing the small gap in the ferrite core.

In CRT TV's, they need to have a  high voltage, and putting the small gap in the flyback core allows them to get a higher
voltage on the back pulse with less secondary windings. Having the gap gives a narrower pulse but a higher voltage
peak, so the area under the curve for the back pulse probably stays about the same, but maybe the core with no
gap is a bit more efficient.

I have attached two scope shots with my scope probe going from the Drain to the Source (ground), taken with the exact
same coil and the same pulse driver settings, but the first scope shot is with no gap in the core, and the second scope
shot is with about a 2mm gap in the core. There is a maximum gap width you can have before the voltage peaks start to fall off again.
I have 3VDC on the coil that is being pulsed, and the pulse width is about 20uS.

You can see that with the gap, the back pulse on the Drain climbs a lot higher in voltage, but it is a narrower pulse.
That is really all there is to the 'flyback effect'. The gap just causes the back pulse from the coil to go to a higher
peak voltage value, but the pulse is narrower.

There may be other differences in behavior of the ferrite core when using the gap as well, and you can see a bit of a
difference in the resulting waveform on the Drain of my FET when there is no gap, and when there is a gap.
In my particular circuit setup, with no gap, after the back pulse is done the Drain is close to 0V and then slowing
climbs back up to 3V. With the gap, the Drain actually goes a bit negative for a little over 2 microseconds, and then shoots
up very quickly to a bit over 3 V (i.e. there is some overshoot), and then drops back to 3V after a bit more. The number of bounces
you see after the initial back pulse on the Drain or Collector completes may just be due to small capacitances in the circuit in
conjunction with the coil giving some resonant bounces, and may not be of too much significance at all in regards to the
'ferromagnetic resonance' which Akula is talking about, but I am not certain.



Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 03, 2014, 07:15:51 PM
But; the physical layout of the board... the variable capacitor is not near the mosfet... and there's a resistor in parallel with it...


You are right, my mistake, it does seem that the variable capacitor is not near the transistor/MOSFET.
It looks more like it is used for tuning the frequency/duty cycle of the 7414 instead.

Regards Itsu
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 03, 2014, 07:21:52 PM
... it does seem that the variable capacitor is not near the transistor/MOSFET.
It looks more like it is used for tuning the frequency/duty cycle of the 7414 instead.
Regards Itsu

Yes, my impression from watching the lantern 4 video is that Akula adjusted the variable capacitor to
increase the pulse width.

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 03, 2014, 07:27:03 PM
and may not be of too much significance at all in regards to the
'ferromagnetic resonance' which Akula is talking about, but I am not certain.
In general I'd agree.... but the pulse goes to a LOW voltage... below ground in akula's....


I did some research on various magnetic effects... ferrimagnetic vs ferromagnetic


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrimagnetism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrimagnetism)  (Ferrimagnetism is exhibited by ferrites and magnetic garnets.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferromagnetism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferromagnetism)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_magnetoresistance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_magnetoresistance) (would seem to apply to the conductivity of the thing, as opposed to an external effect)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_magnetoresistance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_magnetoresistance) (larger resistance; "Initially discovered in mixed-valence perovskite manganites in the 1950" )


perovskite - "Perovskite (pronunciation: pe'ɹovskaɪt) is a calcium titanium oxide mineral species composed of calcium titanate, with the chemical formula CaTiO3. The mineral was discovered in the Ural Mountains of Russia by Gustav Rose in 1839 and is named after Russian mineralogist Lev Perovski (1792–1856"


maybe the adjustable capacitance is before the PNP/NPN driver.. with a resistor across that... still haven't really identified all the parts... the color bands are obscured by the video encoding
--
Edit: Vertical lines on second pictuture I was trying to recreate the vertical division marks.
horizontal line is 0 level
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 03, 2014, 07:34:31 PM
You are right, my mistake, it does seem that the variable capacitor is not near the transistor/MOSFET.
It looks more like it is used for tuning the frequency/duty cycle of the 7414 instead.

Regards Itsu
then the schematic is still wrong :)
Maybe that's on the gates of the NPN/PNP drivers... I don't think it's part of the 7414
The effect is to extend the duty cycle.... and could be any number of places I suppose.
But there's only 2 adjustments; the variable resistor (frequency) and the variable cap (minor duty cycle extend)...
the schematic has 2 variable resistors... but they're not represented in any of the images....



Edit: I guess from relative positions at the top they are the same timescale...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 03, 2014, 07:38:17 PM
Hmm... and the NPN/PNP are backwards... otherwise the emitter of the NPN will float and false-turnoff...
Edit: NEvermind; I guess they have to be that way...

maybe the point between them can buffer a negative voltage.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 03, 2014, 07:39:30 PM
There are two separate things called 'ferromagnetic resonance' and 'ferroresonance', and these are two quite different
effects. Both seem to be quite different than what Akula is talking about in his lantern 4 video, so that is
why I often put Akula's use of 'ferromagnetic resonance' or 'ferroresonance' in quotes, as he actually seems
to talking about a completely different effect in which the ferrite somehow returns more energy back into the
system than is being put into the system with the driving pulses...  :)

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 03, 2014, 08:15:47 PM
Has anyone been able to determine for certain what frequency Akula was running his pulser circuit at
when he was showing his 'ferromagnetic resonance' effect on the scope, after making the adjustments? 
His scope shots were so blurry, it is really hard to see what time base setting his scope was set to...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 03, 2014, 08:33:16 PM
Has anyone been able to determine for certain what frequency Akula was running his pulser circuit at
when he was showing his 'ferromagnetic resonance' effect on the scope, after making the adjustments? 
His scope shots were so blurry, it is really hard to see what time base setting his scope was set to...
last two shots were at 5us.  so pulse width about 22us total...   
the overall frequency is about ... 250-500Hz (2-4ms)   1ms would be 1Khz.

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 03, 2014, 08:43:16 PM
last two shots were at 5us.  so pulse width about 22us total...   
the overall frequency is about ... 250-500Hz (2-4ms)   1ms would be 1Khz.

Thanks mate!
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 03, 2014, 08:43:18 PM
last two shots were at 5us.  so pulse width about 22us total...   
the overall frequency is about ... 250-500Hz (2-4ms)   1ms would be 1Khz.

Agreed, the HD video rendering from post #2 confirms this,  250Hz:

Regards itsu
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 03, 2014, 08:59:55 PM
I think I have now figured out how to get those slow exponentially rising scope waveforms
that Akula was showing on his Collector. I am using a FET, but it seems to me that my
waveform on the Drain of my driver FET is now pretty close to what Akula was showing.
What do you think guys?

I am pulsing the coil with 3VDC.

All the best...


P.S. I made a typo in the original file attachment name. I originally wrote exponential rise on 'Gate', but the
waveform is actually showing the exponential rise on the Drain of my FET. I have corrected the attached filename now...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 03, 2014, 09:13:33 PM
at 9:06 he adjusts the frequency up; approaches 500hz (2ms) ... looks like 425



Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 03, 2014, 09:16:55 PM
I think I have now figured out how to get those slow exponentially rising scope waveforms
that Akula was showing on his Collector. I am using a FET, but it seems to me that my
waveform on the Drain of my driver FET is now pretty close to what Akula was showing.
What do you think guys?

I am pulsing the coil with 3VDC.

All the best...


P.S. I made a typo in the original file attachment name. I originally wrote exponential rise on 'Gate', but the
waveform is actually showing the exponential rise on the Drain of my FET. I have corrected the attached filename now...
Yes I agree that looks similar.
what's the trick?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 03, 2014, 09:18:00 PM
Agreed, the HD video rendering from post #2 confirms this,  250Hz:

Regards itsu

Thanks for confirming Itsu.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 03, 2014, 09:35:37 PM
I don't understand what happens here
http://youtu.be/DnuXqnTlJNM?t=9m25s
It doesn't appear to be a cut... he in increasing the voltage from 2.0V to 5.0V, and seems to click again to get 5.0V and then 10.0V but between the 5.0 and 5.0, the curve flattens out.  the negative basically totally disappears, and it becomes flat on the top... and then at 10:00 he's expanding the time, and there's no significant low dip...  and then by 10:15 he increases the voltage sensitivity again and the curve returns.... scope internal capacitance change?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 03, 2014, 09:51:22 PM
I am uploading a video now showing what the below screenshot shows, a stable peak in the collector signal during the active period of the transistor.
When pushing on the core halfs, this peak moves to the right.

Any idea what this could be?

60us = 16.6Khz

3V input in the circuit
250Hz DC pulse, amplitude 2V, duty cycle 0.4 - 4%
yellow = base signal
blue   = collector signal

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJMx_BsUnms&feature=youtu.be 


Regards Itsu
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 03, 2014, 10:04:41 PM

Here the same situation, now added the FG signal (purple) and the input current (green)
Current probe controller set to 200ma/div.

Regards itsu
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 03, 2014, 10:12:42 PM
I am uploading a video now showing what the below screenshot shows, a stable peak in the collector signal during the active period of the transistor.
When pushing on the core halfs, this peak moves to the right.

That extra pulse when the base is still being pulsed does seem strange.
Off hand I can't think what would cause that extra pulse. Definitely interesting...

I have to run out to get a bunch of stuff done, but I will review what you guys are doing
in more detail later when I am back. d3x0r, I will check out that portion of the video
you mentioned later as well. Gotta run now...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 03, 2014, 11:52:28 PM
I am uploading a video now showing what the below screenshot shows, a stable peak in the collector signal during the active period of the transistor.
When pushing on the core halfs, this peak moves to the right.

Any idea what this could be?

60us = 16.6Khz

3V input in the circuit
250Hz DC pulse, amplitude 2V, duty cycle 0.4 - 4%
yellow = base signal
blue   = collector signal

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJMx_BsUnms&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJMx_BsUnms&feature=youtu.be) 


Regards Itsu
Your core is bigger; longer flux path and I think maybe thicker (larger flux volume)
it (should/probably/couldbe) a saturation of the core... remembering back it's the joule thief/kacher circuits I was playing with that seemed to lead the base falloff... such that once the core saturates, it seems to avalanche all the flux back out... others have strong opinions this isn't the cause/effect of a joule theif... and since I've seen lots of operating modes... but I digress...
so a wider gap should shorten the time to the spike ( can you pull on the halves to separate them a little more?)
The melnichenko cores had a very wide gap (a range in millimeters).
the translation said the time was highly dependent on the core.


---
I really like to see that the base didn't dip :) goes to reinforce that it's not the base/gate triggering the action.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on August 03, 2014, 11:58:54 PM
I have not fully analyzed the situation, but I do recall that some persistent OU claims of LTseung had to do with just such a negative excursion in some measurements he made on his Atten scope and that was apparently duplicated on some other Atten scopes. This was finally tracked down to an unadjustable DC offset error in the scopes themselves, that showed up on the most sensitive attenuation settings.
I'm not saying that this is the problem here, but it could very well be, and you folks who are using Atten scopes (and all scopes for that matter) should carefully check your displays for inaccurate voltage levels and polarities at very sensitive settings and small voltage values.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on August 04, 2014, 12:01:17 AM
@Itsu: the ringing on the end of your Drain trace is at the natural resonant frequency of your setup, probably. I'd like to see what happens if your drive frequency is the same as this ringing and your pulse duration shorter than 1/2 cycle of that frequency.

The change in frequency as the core is squeezed or relaxed is due to the changing in the effective inductance of the core, which of course changes the resonant frequency or frequencies that depend on it. I demonstrated this several times in my Akula videos.The gap is there in the core to prevent saturation at high power levels; it is possible that some of the effects you are seeing are a result of "tickling" the core on the edge of full saturation.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 04, 2014, 12:30:22 AM
@TK scope issues; makes sense.
But; it's not the after-the off ringing of interest... it's the arbitrary spike in the middle.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on August 04, 2014, 05:03:33 AM
Yes, the spike in ths middle is really strange...
Maybe it is a delayed Barkhause jump effect by flipping the domains
inside the core ?

What kind of core is this ? What material ?

Istu, if you remove the core from the primary coil does this pulse still occur ?
Probably not, then it is core dependend !

Try to see, how you can increase the area below this pulse.
Does a bigger core help ?
It is probably related to the ON switching of the base pulse, so it takes around 60 mikrosecs to flip all the domains
inside the core and produce this pulse...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on August 04, 2014, 05:32:32 AM
Itsu,
Why does the yellow gate signal have these spikes at minute 3:50 when the signal is so short in length ?
Is your MOSFET defective then ? Where is the exact circuit diagram ?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 04, 2014, 06:01:50 AM
Itsu,
Why does the yellow gate signal have these spikes at minute 3:50 when the signal is so short in length ?
Is your MOSFET defective then ? Where is the exact circuit diagram ?

Akula was getting the exact same strange pulses on the collector and base.
It looks like these pulses may be what Akula is calling 'ferromagnetic resonance'.
See the attached screen capture from Akula's video. The same sort of strange pulses on the
base and collector that showed up in Itsu's video are in Akula's scope shots as well...

I just rewatched the English translation of Akula's video.
It seems those strange pulses are what Akula is saying are indicating 'ferromagnetic resonance'.
However it seems he says those liittle pulses on the collector by themselves do not give much power (the pulses are quite narrow, so that seems to make sense).
He then makes an adjustment to the pulse width and then gets the big exponentially rising pulses on the collector,
which it seems is where he is getting his extra energy to make the circuit self running.
All the best...



Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 04, 2014, 08:46:52 AM
I think I have now figured out how to get those slow exponentially rising scope waveforms
that Akula was showing on his Collector. I am using a FET, but it seems to me that my
waveform on the Drain of my driver FET is now pretty close to what Akula was showing.
What do you think guys?

Hi Void,  please tell us how you did it,

Regards Itsu
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 04, 2014, 08:52:43 AM
@Itsu: the ringing on the end of your Drain trace is at the natural resonant frequency of your setup, probably. I'd like to see what happens if your drive frequency is the same as this ringing and your pulse duration shorter than 1/2 cycle of that frequency.

The change in frequency as the core is squeezed or relaxed is due to the changing in the effective inductance of the core, which of course changes the resonant frequency or frequencies that depend on it. I demonstrated this several times in my Akula videos.The gap is there in the core to prevent saturation at high power levels; it is possible that some of the effects you are seeing are a result of "tickling" the core on the edge of full saturation.

Thanks TK,

i can find out the resonance frequency of the coil that way, but what we are trying to do is to find the ferro(magnetic)resonance of the ferrite of the used core in a way described by Akula.

But it should be good to know the resonance frequencies of the prim/sec coils as well to be sure we do not mix up.

Regards Itsu
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 04, 2014, 08:58:08 AM
Yes, the spike in ths middle is really strange...
Maybe it is a delayed Barkhause jump effect by flipping the domains
inside the core ?

What kind of core is this ? What material ?

Istu, if you remove the core from the primary coil does this pulse still occur ?
Probably not, then it is core dependend !

Try to see, how you can increase the area below this pulse.
Does a bigger core help ?
It is probably related to the ON switching of the base pulse, so it takes around 60 mikrosecs to flip all the domains
inside the core and produce this pulse...

Good questions Stefan,  i can do some extra tests tonight.
No idea what material the core is made of though.
I have a smaller (half smaller) core which i can test.

No idea why the base starts ringing when the duty cycle gets shorter, the used transistor (MJE13005) seems ok.
The exact diagram (a part of the whole Akule diagram) is in post #65 (handdrawn):
http://www.overunity.com/14687/akula-eternal-lantern-4/msg412459/#msg412459

Regards Itsu
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 04, 2014, 09:06:42 AM
Akula was getting the exact same strange pulses on the collector and base.
It looks like these pulses may be what Akula is calling 'ferromagnetic resonance'.
See the attached screen capture from Akula's video. The same sort of strange pulses on the
base and collector that showed up in Itsu's video are in Akula's scope shots as well...

I just rewatched the English translation of Akula's video.
It seems those strange pulses are what Akula is saying are indicating 'ferromagnetic resonance'.
However it seems he says those liittle pulses on the collector by themselves do not give much power (the pulses are quite narrow, so that seems to make sense).
He then makes an adjustment to the pulse width and then gets the big exponentially rising pulses on the collector,
which it seems is where he is getting his extra energy to make the circuit self running.
All the best...


He also mentions (translated tekst) to keep the frequency the same (256Hz) and indeed to "adjust the pulse".
Guess he manipulates with this pot/var cap. the duty cycle, but when i do that i do not see this "big exponentially rising pulses on the collector".

What i did was to decrease the duty cycle so the closing end of the base signal is around this strange pulse (60us) as this is
how i understand Akule was getting this "big exponentially rising pulses on the collector"

But not with me   :(

More tonight....  regards Itsu 
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 04, 2014, 09:40:09 AM
I don't understand what happens here
http://youtu.be/DnuXqnTlJNM?t=9m25s
It doesn't appear to be a cut... he in increasing the voltage from 2.0V to 5.0V, and seems to click again to get 5.0V and then 10.0V but between the 5.0 and 5.0, the curve flattens out.  the negative basically totally disappears, and it becomes flat on the top... and then at 10:00 he's expanding the time, and there's no significant low dip...  and then by 10:15 he increases the voltage sensitivity again and the curve returns.... scope internal capacitance change?

Good observation. I have exactly the same sort of seeming strangeness going on right now as well on my scope.
The strangeness where the waveform goes from big curved waveforms to a flat waveform also happens for me when switching
between 2V/div and 5V/div on the vertical scale on the scope. This appears to possibly be some quirk of the way the oscilloscope works.
I have never encountered this weirdness when switching between 2V/div and 5 V/div previously however. I will have to check
out my scope further when I have the chance to make sure there is not something wrong with my scope, but Akula's scope
seems to have showed the same quirk when switching between 2V/div and 5V/div on this type of waveform...  ???

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 04, 2014, 10:50:16 AM
Hi Void,  please tell us how you did it,
Regards Itsu

Hi Itsu. All I did was adjust the pulse width, like Akula showed in his video.
However, as I described in my previous comment above, my scope is also doing
some strange things when switching between 2V/div and 5V/div, so I am not sure
if I can rely on the waveforms I am currently seeing on my scope. Maybe someone has an explanation
for the weirdness I am seeing with my scope when switching between 2V/div and 5V/div?
I need to do more investigation into this to try to understand better what is going on, but Akula's
scope also apparently showed the same quirk.

As far as how things have to be adjusted, I suspect it may well depend a lot on the exact core you are testing with.
A lot more experimenting is likely needed. :)

I discovered that my regulated power supply seems to run OK when using higher pulse frequencies,
but at lower pulse frequencies the regulator on my power supply can't handle it and starts acting
very erratically.  I need to find a different power supply for testing with so I can test at
lower pulse frequencies.

All the best...



Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 04, 2014, 11:14:27 AM
Hi Itsu. All I did was adjust the pulse width, like Akula showed in his video.
However, as I described in my previous comment above, my scope is also doing
some strange things when switching between 2V/div and 5V/div, so I am not sure
if I can rely on the waveforms I am currently seeing on my scope. Maybe someone has an explanation
for the weirdness I am seeing with my scope when switching between 2V/div and 5V/div?
I need to do more investigation into this to try to understand better what is going on, but Akula's
scope also apparently showed the same quirk.

As far as how things have to be adjusted, I suspect it may well depend a lot on the exact core you are testing with.
A lot more experimenting is likely needed. :)

I discovered that my regulated power supply seems to run OK when using higher pulse frequencies,
but at lower pulse frequencies the regulator on my power supply can't handle it and starts acting
very erratically.  I need to find a different power supply for testing with so I can test at
lower pulse frequencies.

All the best...

Thanks void,

but what kind of adjustments did you make,  like from 4% duty cycle to 2%?   Or do you vary the pulse width by some other means?

I have no idea why your scope would display strange things when switching between 2 and 5V/div.
I have not seen that here, and it does not make sense, unless there is the same influence as with your bench PS on your
scopes vertical amplifier

I have seen acting my bench PS weird also on other experiments, not here though.
Perhaps you can use a battery (12V) with some voltage regulators (5V or even 3V).

Are you able to replicate the pulse i see with the settings i use?


Thanks,  regards itsu
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 04, 2014, 06:03:58 PM

I did some additional tests as mentioned by others above, like changing the coil/core for an air coil.
It also has this peak allthough its on another position (45us), so it has nothing to do with the ferrite.

The smaller core also shows this too also again on another position.

So void, please try to find out what is happening with your setup that makes your PS / scope go strange.
Do you have any details on what you are using like coils/core/transistor etc.?

Thanks,  regards itsu

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 04, 2014, 09:51:59 PM
Hello Itsu. The adjustments I made to the pulse width were just to increase it slowly
until I saw the exponentially rising waveforms on the Drain. However as you will see in the
two attached scope shots, this really does appear to be some quirk with my scope such that
I only see the curved waveforms on the Drain when I have the scope set to 2V/div or less, and the
Drain waveform looks normal with a flat top when set to 5V/div or higher. As D3xOr suggested, it may
be due to some difference in capacitance or input impedance in the scope when I switch between
2V/div and 5V/div, and this particular setup seems to be very sensitive to this. I really don't know
for certain why this is happening however. See the attached waveforms to see how the waveform
appearance changes when set on 2V/div or 5V/div.
Blue is the Drain.
Yellow is the Gate.


Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on August 04, 2014, 10:07:20 PM
I had the same problems years ago with my analog Hameg scope HM 312 when I researched the Newman machine pulses and back current spikes from the back EMF...
In the lower volts/div settings I always had bigger spikes and flanks than in the higher volts/div scale...
But it also happened on another scope , so I am not sure , what it exactly is... Maybe a different bandwidth of the input amplifier or changing the input impedance or something like that ?

Would be good to find out the cause of it. I used a 100x scopehead...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 04, 2014, 10:11:23 PM
Ok Void,   

thanks, i got it.

I also changed to an IRF740 MOSFET, so had to crank up the pulse signal to 8V, but needed to add a TVS to the drain/source to limit the severall hundreds volt peak on the drain.

That showed a similar picture as yours, but both at the 2V/div and 5V/div settings the blue (drain) trace is the same.
So probably a glitch in your (and AKULA's?) scope.

I do notice that when increasing the duty cycle from the 3% shown in the screenshot to about 8% my bench PS goes into current limiting (even when set at 10A  :o ) and starts to make noises (also the core goes humming).

Regards itsu

 
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on August 04, 2014, 10:13:28 PM
The question is now , if these exponential rising flanks are really there or not....hmm..

Itsu,  also strange to hear from you that this center spike is still there without the core ??

I guess these exponentially rising slopes only occur , when the pulse is so short that it also affects the basis pulse as shown by you Itsu...when you made the pulse duration very short...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on August 04, 2014, 10:16:33 PM
@Void and Itsu, just use an LC lowpassfilter after your power supply , so your Powersupply will basically just see a DC load and will not be affected.. an 1 Henry and 10.000 uF lowpassfilter should do it...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 04, 2014, 10:16:42 PM
Itsu, regarding whether I get those strange pulses that you are seeing on your collector,
I do not see them at all when using a MOSFET for the driver. I suspect that may be why Akula
used a KT805 transistor to do his initial testing to look for the pulses. Those pulses may not appear
when you are using a MOSFET as the driver. This might explain why Akula used the KT805 transistor
first, and then planned to switch to his MOSFET later after determining what sort of pulse width and
frequency he needed. If you have a MOSFET you can try, I would be interested to see if you still get 
those pulses when using a MOSFET.

As a quick test of this concept, I used the Gate drive pulse signal on my MOSFET pulser circuit to drive a
TIP31C NPN power transistor I had available. I had a 1K resistor going from the base to ground.
The base drive pulses were not very clean, as it seems the pulse driver was getting loaded down,
but nevertheless I did see the collector going high while the base pulse was still On, but I didn't get
a pulse like you are getting. It may be dependent somewhat on which specific transistor you are using,
and the pulses going to my base were maybe lacking a bit in drive current. I'll need to repeat this test
when I have the chance. My old function generator stopped working a while back, so I am waiting for a new
one to come, but it is coming from China and has been delayed as well, so it will likely take a while...   :)

I got nothing unusual on the Collector of my TIP31C transistor when there was no gap I my toroid core,
but saw the unusual switching back to high in the Collector waveform when I had a 1.5mm gap in the toroid core.
Varying the gap in the core, changed the point in time that the Collector switched to High.




Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 04, 2014, 10:21:29 PM
I had the same problems years ago with my analog Hameg scope HM 312 when I researched the Newman machine pulses and back current spikes from the back EMF...
In the lower volts/div settings I always had bigger spikes and flanks than in the higher volts/div scale...
But it also happened on another scope , so I am not sure , what it exactly is... Maybe a different bandwidth of the input amplifier or changing the input impedance or something like that ?

Would be good to find out the cause of it. I used a 100x scopehead...

Thanks for the feedback on this. I have some X100 scope probes I can try.
I will give that a try as soon as I have the chance, to see if that makes any difference at all...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on August 04, 2014, 10:26:30 PM
@Void,  you dont get this center pulse with your setup ?

Regarding the 2 and 5 Volts/div differences in ths slope rising , do you have your scope grounded and if yes at which points ?
Maybe it is a groundloop inductance charging or something like this..
Maybe the input amplifier is more snsible to ground loops with inductances in cables
or something like this ??
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 04, 2014, 10:27:14 PM
Ok Void,   

thanks, i got it.

I also changed to an IRF740 MOSFET, so had to crank up the pulse signal to 8V, but needed to add a TVS to the drain/source to limit the severall hundreds volt peak on the drain.

That showed a similar picture as yours, but both at the 2V/div and 5V/div settings the blue (drain) trace is the same.
So probably a glitch in your (and AKULA's?) scope.

I do notice that when increasing the duty cycle from the 3% shown in the screenshot to about 8% my bench PS goes into current limiting (even when set at 10A  :o ) and starts to make noises (also the core goes humming).

Regards itsu

Thanks for confirming that Itsu.
Yes, it could be just due to having an economy scope, and there may well be a quirk there.
Yes, I have been noticing the same thing regarding the power supply. What I found is that
I can operate OK at lower frequencies as long as I keep the duty cycle quite low, but as soon as
reached a certain width in the duty cycle the power supply regulator really starts acting up and
my core can really start chattering if I have a small gap in it.


Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 04, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
Itsu, regarding whether I get those strange pulses that you are seeing on your collector,
I do not see them at all when using a MOSFET for the driver.


I was just testing this   :) , but i do, see screenshot.
Also here the pulse is there smack in the middle of the drain window.
The trick is to lower the gate input voltage to just opening the MOSFET (4V in my case).

This also worked for the MJE13005 transistor, allthought i thought that it should be fully open above 0.7V, but the same effect was seen (pulse)
with a base voltage between 0.7 and 4V.   Going higher made the pulse disappear.

Probably the low collector voltage (3V) has an influence in this effect?

Regards Itsu 
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 04, 2014, 10:31:18 PM
@Void,  you dont get this center pulse with your setup ?

Regarding the 2 and 5 Volts/div differences in ths slope rising , do you have your scope grounded and if yes at which points ?
Maybe it is a groundloop inductance charging or something like this..
Maybe the input amplifier is more snsible to ground loops with inductances in cables
or something like this ??

Hi Stefan. No, I don't get the center pulse with a MOSFET, but see my recent post in which I
showed the odd Collector waveform I get when I tried a TIP31C NPN transistor. If I set about a
1.5mm gap in the torroid core, I get the Collector transistioning back to high right in the
center of the base pulse. Whether a center pulse occurs may depend on the exact transistor being used,
but I don't get any center pulses using a MOSFET (so far anyway).
All the best...


To make sure that I didn't have a ground loop to my power supply circuitry, I have the scope isolated from ground.

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 04, 2014, 10:34:29 PM

I was just testing this   :) , but i do, see screenshot.
Also here the pulse is there smack in the middle of the drain window.
The trick is to lower the gate input voltage to just opening the MOSFET (4V in my case).

This also worked for the MJE13005 transistor, allthought i thought that it should be fully open above 0.7V, but the same effect was seen (pulse)
with a base voltage between 0.7 and 4V.   Going higher made the pulse disappear.

Probably the low collector voltage (3V) has an influence in this effect?

Regards Itsu

Ah OK, thanks for that Itsu. My pulse driver board does not allow me to adjust the
Gate pulse voltage. I will have to wait until I get my new function generator, which has been
delayed and probably won't get here for quite some time yet, or until I fix my old function generator.
That's a nice looking center pulse you got with your MOSFET...
All the best...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 04, 2014, 10:41:58 PM
@Void and Itsu, just use an LC lowpassfilter after your power supply , so your Powersupply will basically just see a DC load and will not be affected.. an 1 Henry and 10.000 uF lowpassfilter should do it...

Thanks Stefan,

i was meaning to make something like that because i hate it when the PS does that.

Ok,  so we are back to square 1 i guess.

Perhaps we need a better translation of the video in which Akula explains the effect, i personally had problems following the tekst  :o


Regards Itsu
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 04, 2014, 10:44:11 PM
The question is now , if these exponential rising flanks are really there or not....hmm..

Itsu,  also strange to hear from you that this center spike is still there without the core ??

I guess these exponentially rising slopes only occur , when the pulse is so short that it also affects the basis pulse as shown by you Itsu...when you made the pulse duration very short...

I suspect that those exponentially rising pulses are not there. It may be due to
some change in capacitance when switching between 2V/div and 5V/div. I think the Atten
scopes have the same insides as my Siglent scope, at least for certain models anyway,
so that might explain why Akula got the same strange looking waveform on his scope.
If the strange looking waveform is just an artifact of the scope, then what was Akula talking about?

Also, yes. If Itsu gets the same odd pulses when using an air core coil, then it seems it is not
related to some characteristic of ferrite. So then, what exactly causes those strange pulses?
Could it be just random short duration noise spikes on the base or gate causing the switching to occur?
Wait, no, I guess not, because the pulses Itsu and Akula are getting seem to be very stable and consistent...


Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 04, 2014, 10:47:54 PM
@Void and Itsu, just use an LC lowpassfilter after your power supply , so your Powersupply will basically just see a DC load and will not be affected.. an 1 Henry and 10.000 uF lowpassfilter should do it...

Yes, I have already tried a large value choke with not much change, but maybe
including the large filter cap as well will help. I have found however that the power supply regulator
is OK at lower pulse frequencies if I keep the pulse widths short.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 04, 2014, 10:55:05 PM
I suspect that those exponentially rising pulses are not there. It may be due to
some change in capacitance when switching between 2V/div and 5V/div. I think the Atten
scopes have the same insides as my Siglent scope, at least for certain models anyway,
so that might explain why Akula got the same strange looking waveform on his scope.
If the strange looking waveform is just an artifact of the scope, then what was Akula talking about?

Also, yes. If Itsu gets the same odd pulses when using an air core coil, then it seems it is not
related to some characteristic of ferrite. So then, what exactly causes those strange pulses?
Could it be just random short duration noise spikes on the base or gate causing the switching to occur?
Wait, no, I guess not, because the pulses Itsu and Akula are getting seem to be very stable and consistent...

I just used my other scope (200MHz OWON PDS8202), but also there no difference in the drain/collector 2 or 5V/div. settings.


Yes i think its a (false) switching of the transistor/MOSFET due to the low gate/base (well, not really on the base) input signal, allthough my Tektronix scope "sees" no spikes or noise on that gate/base signal.

Regards itsu

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on August 04, 2014, 10:55:35 PM
Hi Istu and Void,
Where are you measuring exactly the yellow gate (base) signal ?

Directly at the Function generator output or
directly at the basis of the transistor ?

If you still have 10 Ohms parallel with 10 nF in series at the output of the
FG before going into the base , this RC could really be
Responseable for the sudden switch off or spike in the circuit
As it could ring itsself with its stray inductance by being energized by a pulse...
So please only directly show the signal at the base..
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on August 04, 2014, 10:58:23 PM
Yes, I have already tried a large value choke with not much change, but maybe
including the large filter cap as well will help. I have found however that the power supply regulator
is OK at lower pulse frequencies if I keep the pulse widths short.

you really need this Filter capacitor otherwise it is no lowpass filter and it will not help
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 04, 2014, 11:01:19 PM
All my yellow traces are only measured directly on the base/gate.

The purple trace (in some screenshots) is at the input of the circuit, meaning before the 10 Ohm / 10nF RC.

Regards Itsu
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on August 04, 2014, 11:04:29 PM
I find it really strange that in theAkula scope shots there is on the yellow base signal
3 different states like high , mid and low...
Why is the base signal going back to mid state after just a few nanoseconds of
 on time ?
 does anybody know , why this happens ?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on August 04, 2014, 11:12:59 PM
All my yellow traces are only measured directly on the base/gate.

The purple trace (in some screenshots) is at the input of the circuit, meaning before the 10 Ohm / 10nF RC.

Regards Itsu

Okay,  I  see then your signal from the drain or collector effects the base signal by some kind of capacitive coupling between the drain and gate capacitor or collector and Base diodes..
 otherwise it is note possible that one could get such a burst on the base signal when pulse width is so low....so the gate or base is affected by the drain or collector...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 04, 2014, 11:59:18 PM
I find it really strange that in theAkula scope shots there is on the yellow base signal
3 different states like high , mid and low...
Why is the base signal going back to mid state after just a few nanoseconds of
 on time ?
 does anybody know , why this happens ?

Can you post a scope shot. Could what you are calling a high state on the base
be overshoot, and then it falls back to its high pulse level, and the low state is base pulse off?

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on August 05, 2014, 12:02:21 AM
Yes could be overshot. I think in #64 posting were the Akula scopeshots..

The question is , if these overshots and base bursts only occur at the low supply voltages like 3 volts ??
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on August 05, 2014, 12:09:14 AM
From Itsus scopeshots we can see , that this center spikes ocCurs , when the coil charge current is at its maximum and stops charging the coil field. as thid is a change in dI/ dt inside the coil we also get an induction voltage it seems , but it is quite high....
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 05, 2014, 12:19:50 AM
In his video, Akula really seems to be stressing that he thinks those exponentially
rising waveforms on the collector are indicating extra energy coming from the ferrite.
That being the case, it then seems important to determine if those waveforms really exist or
if they are just due to some glitch with the scope when set to below 5V/div. I figured an
easy way to determine this would be to put one scope probe (blue) on my Drain showing the
big curved waveforms on the Drain, and the other  scope probe on the secondary winding to
see if those same waveforms are transferring to the secondary. Should be a straightforward test.  ;D
Well, it turns out even this is not free from weirdness. With the yellow probe on the secondary winding,
it does not show the big curved pulses when the scope is set to 5V/div, but does show the big
curved pulses when the scope is set to 2V/div. So it doesn't matter whether the scope probe
is on the Drain or across the secondary winding. The same weirdness occurs between setting the
scope to 2V/div and 5V/div. It seems the scope is generating this difference in the internal processing
of the signal since it doesn't matter whether the probe is on the drain or on the secondary winding.
I can put my scope probe on the calibration lug on the front of the scope to display the calibration squarewave,
and then switch between 2V/div and 5V/div and not see any changes in the waveform shape. I
really can't understand why this is happening. The mind boggles...  :o

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 05, 2014, 12:45:54 AM
To further compound the mystery with the scope showing different waveform
shapes depending on the voltage vertical scale setting, I kept all settings exactly the same
with my pulse driver (same pulse width and frequency) and just replaced the coil on the
Drain with a 1k ohm carbon film resistor. I then took scope shots with the voltage setting
at both 2V/div and 5V/div. There is no change to the shape of the waveforms at all in this test,
even though the pulse width and pulse frequency are identical. The only difference is I am
pulsing a 1k resistor here, and I was pulsing a coil on a ferrite core previously. I really do
not understand this. There may be a simple explanation, but whatever it is it is eluding me.   ;D

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on August 05, 2014, 01:12:36 AM
Here is an old scopeshot from my. newman research.
http://www.overunity.com/newman2/myspike3.jpg

It only showed these large negative going spikes at the 2 lowest
Volts/div settings...
Strange...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on August 05, 2014, 01:14:38 AM
This was the input current into a Newman coil measured at a 1 or 10 Ohm shunt resistor and the coil was pulsed by a mechanical relay..
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on August 05, 2014, 01:15:45 AM
Ground deformation(deform) could cause a false-off... be interesting to see the signal on the emitter too at the point the collector spikes.
Probably the current gets up high enough that it's able to cause a slight positive on the emitter, which lowers the gap between the base and emitter, which causes a false-off.


When my power supply has issues with back spikes, I just add some diodes and a cap... so the power supply never gets the back pulses... the cap does, but the diodes keep the currents from the power supply in the correct direction.


Well I must say that's all less than encouraging :)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 05, 2014, 03:03:36 AM
Here is an old scopeshot from my. newman research.
http://www.overunity.com/newman2/myspike3.jpg

It only showed these large negative going spikes at the 2 lowest
Volts/div settings...
Strange...

Yeah, well it seems it can happen with various scopes then.
I guess one more potential problem area to keep an eye out for when using scopes....  :)




Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on August 05, 2014, 03:07:16 AM
Well I must say that's all less than encouraging :)

It is not looking like Akula's explanations in his lantern 4 video are holding up too well,
even though we have replicated some of the strange waveforms he showed in the video.
After doing a lot of testing, I as yet don't see at all where Akula is getting the extra power from to make
it a self runner...


Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 04:00:49 AM
Some very interesting scoposcopy going on here, I like to see this. I hope you don't mind too much if I put in my two pfennigs worth.

First, I concur that the Atten/Siglent scopes are causing the weirdness somehow. Void's experiment with the resistor instead of the coil would seem to indicate that the scope/probe combo is doing something strange when it sees the reactive load. I would like to see one other experiment done if it's not too much trouble: Deliberately decompensate the probe by "reverse setting" the capacitor. That is, have the probe make the "worst" square wave when connected to the calibrator output. Then try the 2v/5v settings again and see if that weirdness changes at all. Also see if there is any difference between AC-coupled and DC-coupled, and see what happens if you hook both probes to the same point, to display the same signal on both channels.
I have long thought that the Atten/Siglent line are the preferred scopes for OU research .....   :-\ This, and the nonadjustable DC offset issue we noted with LTseung's scope, which was also repeated at the electronics store on other Atten scopes, IIRC.... would lead me away from recommending these scopes.

The strange soft turn-off in the middle of the drive pulse ...hmm... I'd like to see some more comparisons between mosfets and BJTs before I stick my neck out on that one but I'm thinking maybe just not enough current, although one would think the drive voltage would sag in that case. Another possible culprit would be core saturation, since it seems to be related to the gap in the core.

Power supply output filtering: Yes, absolutely. Sometimes it doesn't work though. I think I managed to weld a range-switching relay in my Topward PSU by fooling around too much with weird circuits demanding strange power input, and it has some degree of built in input protection, obviously not enough. Choke in series, cap in parallel, good idea.

ETA: One other thing: I see some effects very much like that on my old HP180a scope, on one channel at three mid-low settings of that channel's attenuator. Not the lowest setting. In my case I  know this is because there is some fault in the attenuator circuit at the switch itself, or sometimes I suspect that the attenuator has been deliberately altered by the previous owner (Lawrence Livermore laboratory) to be more sensitive on those settings by about 10x.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 05, 2014, 11:37:19 AM
Thanks TK for your insights,

Quote
Some very interesting scoposcopy going on here, I like to see this. I hope you don't mind too much if I put in my two pfennigs worth.

.....

The strange soft turn-off in the middle of the drive pulse ...hmm... I'd like to see some more comparisons between mosfets and BJTs before I stick my neck out on that one but I'm thinking maybe just not enough current, although one would think the drive voltage would sag in that case. Another possible culprit would be core saturation, since it seems to be related to the gap in the core.

.....

I found out later and reported it back that even with an air coil i had this "strange soft turn-off in the middle of the drive pulse"
So probably some capacitive coupling between base/gate and collector/drain is at play here.


Regards Itsu
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: itsu on August 05, 2014, 12:09:55 PM
Hi Istu and Void,
Where are you measuring exactly the yellow gate (base) signal ?

Directly at the Function generator output or
directly at the basis of the transistor ?

If you still have 10 Ohms parallel with 10 nF in series at the output of the
FG before going into the base , this RC could really be
Responseable for the sudden switch off or spike in the circuit
As it could ring itsself with its stray inductance by being energized by a pulse...
So please only directly show the signal at the base..

Looking back at the HD video from post #2 i see that Akula's yellow probe is NOT directly on the base, but looks like its on the input (so before the 10 Ohm / 10nF RC):

Regards itsu
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: PCB on October 30, 2014, 11:39:14 PM
This thread came to a rather sudden end in Ausgust and I was wondering were things stand, and what the general consensus is as to whether these "type" of circuit are real or some kind of fackery. I notice there is a lot of activity here "Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY (http://www.overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg421684/#msg421684)", but this is really the same knid of thing and only with much more power.

When I say fackery are we talking about:

1. A glorified Joule thief as TK says, feeding off the stored energy in the tank circuit, giving the appearance of self running. I notice that the 30W version has a very much larger inductor arrangement.

2. Are they feeding of electromagnetic energy in the environment, perhaps local broadcast stations.

3. Something else?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: ILLATIKSI on November 29, 2014, 05:57:09 AM
I cannot tell for how long Akula's devices managed to run. However, I ran my circuit for a week before manually switching it off.
I have not, however, tried it with a few LEDs attached which may result in a short run time, primarily because I am not interested in creating yet another lantern. I will show a high output device when it is ready.

Anyway, the effect is real and can be harnessed. Akula is not entirely correct in his explanations regarding the nature of the phenomenon, but it exists and can be applied easily.

Have a look:
http://youtu.be/vgYLVyswgeQ

~A

Avalon Hello, I am new to the forum but I've been reading a lot about the subject. From everything I was watching your video I found of the most interesting. I wonder if you've made progress in your tests. Any new news?

I think that a similar effect occurs in following patents: "ENERGY GENERATION APPARATUS AND METHODS BASED UPON MAGNETIC FLUX SWITCHING", us 4004401 and others. The difference is that the switch is realized with magnetic switches and permanent magnets.  They uses FINEMET FT 3H as core, dificult to find, with sharp H-B. I belive this material have lower losses than Ferrite types.

Cheers
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on March 04, 2015, 06:11:35 PM
New Akula circuit video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cSXYeGsO9o

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on March 04, 2015, 07:45:54 PM
How many is that now, a dozen or more, all working, all simple, NONE ever replicated? Akula is really fishing for the Big Fish now.

Quote
We are currently looking for investors and licensees who can advance the project with financial strength. For further questions please contact us at akula2015@gmx.de

I myself can connect Akula with an investment funding source beyond his wildest dreams... IF he actually can prove to ME that he has what he claims. Just send me a working unit for me to examine. I'll be happy to sign whatever NDAs or other Legal Documents he desires.... and if his device actually operates as he claims, the funding and development can begin very soon. I still have the ear of some very influential people and a recommendation from me will go a long way towards achieving what Akula says he wants.

The ONLY thing that is keeping investors and funders from making Akula and his partners fabulously rich -- and saving the world too -- is his own attitude of non-cooperation with proper testing and evaluation. I can arrange the proper testing and evaluation immediately. and the doors to virtually unlimited funding can open shortly thereafter -- IF he actually has something that performs as he claims.

Akula, or Wesley, or anyone, can contact me about this by PM on this forum and we can proceed from there. The very first part of the process will be for Akula to submit a working device to me for complete examination, or directly to one of several laboratories I will indicate when I am contacted by PM. While I would like to be the "messenger" this is not really necessary... the laboratories can be contacted directly by Akula if he _really_ has what he claims and _really_ desires investment and development of his devices.

I am trying to make it as easy as possible for Akula to get the investments and funding that he is asking for. I am eager to help bring any such device into practical and widespread use, and I can arrange for a working device to be examined fully and completely by Engineering and Scientific Laboratories in just about any country desired. Germany, Australia, Canada, the USA, France, the UK....
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 04, 2015, 08:15:39 PM
How many is that now, a dozen or more, all working, all simple, NONE ever replicated? Akula is really fishing for the Big Fish now.

I myself can connect Akula with an investment funding source beyond his wildest dreams... IF he actually can prove to ME that he has what he claims. Just send me a working unit for me to examine. I'll be happy to sign whatever NDAs or other Legal Documents he desires.... and if his device actually operates as he claims, the funding and development can begin very soon. I still have the ear of some very influential people and a recommendation from me will go a long way towards achieving what Akula says he wants.

The ONLY thing that is keeping investors and funders from making Akula and his partners fabulously rich -- and saving the world too -- is his own attitude of non-cooperation with proper testing and evaluation. I can arrange the proper testing and evaluation immediately. and the doors to virtually unlimited funding can open shortly thereafter -- IF he actually has something that performs as he claims.

Akula, or Wesley, or anyone, can contact me about this by PM on this forum and we can proceed from there. The very first part of the process will be for Akula to submit a working device to me for complete examination, or directly to one of several laboratories I will indicate when I am contacted by PM. While I would like to be the "messenger" this is not really necessary... the laboratories can be contacted directly by Akula if he _really_ has what he claims and _really_ desires investment and development of his devices.

I am trying to make it as easy as possible for Akula to get the investments and funding that he is asking for. I am eager to help bring any such device into practical and widespread use, and I can arrange for a working device to be examined fully and completely by Engineering and Scientific Laboratories in just about any country desired. Germany, Australia, Canada, the USA, France, the UK....

Akula and his German business partners state they are looking for serious investors.
They provided a contact email in their video. If you sincerely know of some investors
that are interested, and have confirmed that with the investors, then it would seem likely that
Akula and his business partners would be willing to discuss terms with any such investor.

If an investor is really serious, and assuming they could come to some sort of financial agreement,
it wouldn't be hard for the investors to draw up a contract that states that no money will be paid,
(money could possibly be held in escrow), until full testing is done by the investors under their
specified conditions. If Akula and his partners are serious, I think they will already understand that
some sort of formal testing will have to occur before any money exchanges hands, as that would
pretty much be a no brainer requirement for most any investor for this type of device. Any investors interested
can just simply contact Akula and his business partners and set up a meeting. There is no need to speculate
about what Akula and his partners will or will not do, or agree to. 

P.S. You should read through the comments in the video's comment section.
There is a lot of info provided in there.

All the best...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Hoppy on March 04, 2015, 08:16:16 PM
On the face of it, I see nothing to get excited about. Yet another very low powered LED driver with room for a concealed battery.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 04, 2015, 08:20:49 PM
On the face of it, I see nothing to get excited about. Yet another very low powered LED driver with room for a concealed battery.

Which any potential investor would quickly find when they examined and tested the device
in the lab of their choice. It really wouldn't make any sense to try such an obvious trick when looking for serious
investors, but we have already discussed that. ;)

All the best...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Vortex1 on March 04, 2015, 08:24:37 PM
Agreed, TK , Hoppy, Void

But the Big Fish he is fishing for, (and considering the bait) , may have tiny brains, and as such he may just get lucky and land one.

He only needs one good one to live in style off for a good long while.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on March 04, 2015, 09:02:51 PM
Akula and his German business partners state they are looking for serious investors.
They provided a contact email in their video. If you sincerely know of some investors
that are interested, and have confirmed that with the investors, then it would seem likely that
Akula and his business partners would be willing to discuss terms with any such investor.

If an investor is really serious, and assuming they could come to some sort of financial agreement,
it wouldn't be hard for the investors to draw up a contract that states that no money will be paid,
(money could possibly be held in escrow), until full testing is done by the investors under their
specified conditions. If Akula and his partners are serious, I think they will already understand that
some sort of formal testing will have to occur before any money exchanges hands, as that would
pretty much be a no brainer requirement for most any investor for this type of device. Any investors interested
can just simply contact Akula and his business partners and set up a meeting. There is no need to speculate
about what Akula and his partners will or will not do, or agree to. 

P.S. You should read through the comments in the video's comment section.
There is a lot of info provided in there.

All the best...

I've read the comments and I don't see a "lot of info" there.  I see a German translation of the information in the Description, which simply repeats the "akula said" claims and refers to the "disassembly" video which did not disassemble the capacitor cans of that device, but only took apart the Red Herring coil.

Also, I see this comment from Shubus:
Quote
Free energy, my ass.  This is but a variation on the Joule Ringer circuit. Do not send this man money.

Investors who will contact Akula based on his "demonstrations" of a dozen different "self runners" are already self-selecting for gullibility. We have already seen how Akula gained some financial support by an easily-faked demonstration or two that did not allow proper examination of the device. There is a right, _scientific_ way to go about vetting and seeking investment, and there is another way that depends on faith, promises, and inadequate "demonstrations" which could very easily be faked in a number of different ways. Which way is Akula taking? I think you know the answer to that.

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on March 04, 2015, 09:12:57 PM
On the face of it, I see nothing to get excited about. Yet another very low powered LED driver with room for a concealed battery.

Not there, that's too easy to find on a casual examination. Taking apart the larger electrolytic capacitor can and inserting three AG13 button cells (or similar) in place of the original guts would be much better and much more difficult to find. A simple latching JouleThief circuit implemented with the visible components on the board would complete the device and make it perform _exactly_ as shown in the video, and will keep the LED bank running for many hours once it's started. Certainly longer than the attention span of anyone he is likely to be showing the device to in person.

Heck, even a simple Supercapacitor would suffice for the short time interval of that video demo.

Let an electrical engineering graduate student approach the board with diagonal cutting pliers in hand, and watch Akula freak out ...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on March 04, 2015, 09:35:01 PM
Here's why I don't believe in Akula or his miracle devices:

1. There are too many of them, all seemingly different in construction and operation. This violates "Conservation of Miracles".
2. Each and every one of the demonstrations could be easily faked by any of several different means. No fully bullet-proof demonstration has been presented, even though it would be relatively easy to present one were the claims true.
3. Nobody credible has successfully "replicated" the self-running part of Akula's devices, in spite of the schematics and other information presented.
4. I have reproduced the _exact_ waveforms published by Akula in my replication of the device that has the most credible schematic, etc. yet mine does not "self-run". However it would run quite nicely for hours if I simply replaced the insides of one of the capacitor cans with small button-cell batteries.
5. Akula refuses to send one of the simple, "working" devices to anyone outside his control for examination and testing.
6. There are ready-made excuses for the devices "not working" at some location other than at Akula's home base, like "geographical tuning". Even for devices that have no obvious means for tuning!
7. The pleas for funding and investments, the attempts to "sell licences", when any such _real_ device, credibly vetted, would have investors knocking down his door begging for the opportunity to invest.
8. The devices are constructed of commercial off-the-shelf components, with at most a "special" coil or two. There is no reason to believe that standard circuits using standard components can perform as "self runners" or produce OU performance.
9. There have been no measurements presented, ever since my replication of the exact waveforms referred to above. And in that last presentation of scopehots by Akula, a "mistake" was made that caused his scope to show voltage values of 10x the true values. Was this actually a simple mistake, or was Akula caught deliberately falsifying the measurement? When he gives too much information it becomes too easy to analyze and uncover the misrepresentations.

I can probably think of many more reasons _not_ to believe in Akula. Can anyone give a similar list of reasons that one should believe what he has been presenting?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: a.king21 on March 04, 2015, 10:28:43 PM
I don't believe Akula either.  For once I'm 100% in agreement with Tinsel.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 04, 2015, 10:57:50 PM
I don't believe Akula either.  For once I'm 100% in agreement with Tinsel.

Interesting. I personally don't see how belief either way is much of a factor.
All a serious investor needs to do is just contact Akula and his business partners and ask if they would
be willing to arrange a meeting where the investor could have their engineer/technologist personally fully
examine the device, and to completely tear down the device after seeing the demonstration.
That is they can just simply ask if they can fully disassemble the device and cut open electrolytic capacitor
cans and disassemble the coils and cores and any other components they like to make sure there are no
hidden power sources. Either they will agree to those conditions or they won't. There is nothing lost by asking. ;)

Any investor who can afford to invest potentially millions in such a device shouldn't have any problem with
flying a couple people over to Germany to see a demonstration and inspect the device in person. It all
really depends if a person has the means and are seriously interested in investing in this sort of technology, or if they are just
really interested in looking for excuses to condemn something based on speculation. ;) I think Akula and his partners probably
won't have too much problem to at least find some potential investors that are willing to talk to them. Whether
anyone can come to agreeable financial terms with them depends on their conditions and how much money they are
looking for. I would guess that if they are legit, that they are looking for a fair bit of money at this point, as they say
that the device is now quite stable in its current form. They do say they want to do more R&D into the ferrite compositions
used for the cores, so it seems the ferrite composition is important for this type of device. I mentioned it elsewhere,
but anyone who does get a chance to view this device in person should seriously consider bringing a good portable Geiger
counter with them to check for any unusual radiation levels around the running device, if they allow it. It might prove interesting. ;)

All the best...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Hoppy on March 04, 2015, 11:20:56 PM
Which any potential investor would quickly find when they examined and tested the device
in the lab of their choice. It really wouldn't make any sense to try such an obvious trick when looking for serious
investors, but we have already discussed that. ;)

All the best...

As I commented some time back, not all investors are honest, so will invest in something that that does not necessarily do what the product is advertised to do. The electroscope was an example of an expensive electronic long range metal detector, that was proved to be nothing more than a glorified dowsing stick when disassembled. This involved de-potting the circuit, which simply consisted of a battery, resistor, switch and an analogue meter. Many of these instruments were manufactured and sold throughout the world before the fraud was discovered. They were advertised as high tec electronic instruments, thus the high price tag. Having said this, its quite possible and probably more likely that Akula's device is based on Lasersaber's genuine low powered cap discharge LED driver, which could provide a substantial financial gain for Akula if cheaply produced in quantity as a useable product and expertly marketed as a self-running device.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 04, 2015, 11:30:19 PM
As I commented some time back, not all investors are honest, so will invest in something that that does not necessarily do what the product is advertised to do. The electroscope was an example of an expensive electronic long range metal detector, that was proved to be nothing more than a glorified dowsing stick when disassembled. This involved de-potting the circuit, which simply consisted of a battery, resistor, switch and an analogue meter. Many of these instruments were manufactured and sold throughout the world before the fraud was discovered. They were advertised as high tec electronic instruments, thus the high price tag. Having said this, its quite possible and probably more likely that Akula's device is based on Lasersaber's genuine low powered cap discharge LED driver, which could provide a substantial financial gain for Akula if produced in quantity as a useable product and expertly marketed as a self-running device.

Hi Hoppy. Anyone who wants to sell fraudulent devices risks criminal charges or being sued.
Seems pretty dumb. At any rate, Akula and his German business partners are not selling the
device to end users. They say they are looking for investment or for licensing out the technology.
Any reasonable investor will simply arrange to fully test the device under their own conditions before
any money exchanges hands, so that is really not a major issue.
All the best...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 04, 2015, 11:38:19 PM
Akula's claims are BS.  Like many BS claimants he's "seeking investors", better read as "seeking suckers" who will give him money based on greed over diligence.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 04, 2015, 11:45:53 PM
Any airport X-ray machine would quickly reveal hidden button cell batteries. Here's a guy with an engineering degree who wouldn't qualify to rent a cheap motel room if he were exposed as that kind of decrepit fraud. Akula would be risking everything including his freedom on that "high a toss of the dice".
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 04, 2015, 11:47:50 PM
Akula's claims are BS.  Like many BS claimants he's "seeking investors", better read as "seeking suckers" who will give him money based on greed over diligence.

So various people keep speculating. Yet none of these same people have actually contacted Akula and
his business partners and talked with them and arranged to see the device in person. Of course you will probably need to
have some interested investors on board before they will take the time to meet with you, as any business
person would likely require in such a situation. ;) Speculation is only speculation. It might be true. It might not be true. ;)
All the best...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Hoppy on March 05, 2015, 12:05:51 AM
Hi Hoppy. Anyone who wants to sell fraudulent devices risks criminal charges or being sued.
Seems pretty dumb. At any rate, Akula and his German business partners are not selling the
device to end users. They say they are looking for investment or for licensing out the technology.
Any reasonable investor will simply arrange to fully test the device under their own conditions before
any money exchanges hands, so that is really not a major issue.
All the best...

You describe a fairly normal procedure. A 'self-running' label and the products application is the key to its attractiveness and thus success in the marketplace. The issue is not that the device would not test out satisfactorily by an investor, rather can a Lasersaber type of device be honestly described as self-running under the general understanding that this term describes a device that operates from energy not stored and drawn from a capacitor that has been pre-charged from an external battery. My opinion is that if such a device were to be marketed with a self-running label, then it would at least be dishonest.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 05, 2015, 12:25:52 AM
You describe a fairly normal procedure. A 'self-running' label and the products application is the key to its attractiveness and thus success in the marketplace. The issue is not that the device would not test out satisfactorily by an investor, rather can a Lasersaber type of device be honestly described as self-running under the general understanding that this term describes a device that operates from energy not stored and drawn from a capacitor that has been pre-charged from an external battery. My opinion is that if such a device were to be marketed with a self-running label, then it would at least be dishonest.

Hi Hoppy. Yes, leaving the device running for a long duration in a test lab might be advisable,
but you could also just check for super caps or similar if you do a full disassembly and inspect/test/measure
each individual part. I think any reasonably cautious person would request to be able to do such thorough testing
before agreeing to any money exchange. If they don't agree to such a test, then an investor can simply move on.
Again, not a major problem. :)
All the best...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 05, 2015, 12:58:16 AM
So various people keep speculating. Yet none of these same people have actually contacted Akula and
his business partners and talked with them and arranged to see the device in person. Of course you will probably need to
have some interested investors on board before they will take the time to meet with you, as any business
person would likely require in such a situation. ;) Speculation is only speculation. It might be true. It might not be true. ;)
All the best...
If you would like to pay my fees then I will be happy to show you in detail.  I only charge 10% of what the investor would invest if the claims were true.  By using my services the investor saves 90%.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 05, 2015, 01:11:31 AM
If you would like to pay my fees then I will be happy to show you in detail. 
I only charge 10% of what the investor would invest if the claims were true. 
By using my services the investor saves 90%.

Hi MarkE. If I had the money to invest in a device like this, I would go over
and talk to them in person and take a look at the device myself. ;)
All the best...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 05, 2015, 02:23:21 AM
Hi MarkE. If I had the money to invest in a device like this, I would go over
and talk to them in person and take a look at the device myself. ;)
All the best...
The Catch-22 for that plan is that if you do not already realize that it is a scam, then you probably do not have the skills necessary to evaluate it in person.  Whereas: if you realize the fact that it is a scam, then you probably would not have any interest in evaluating it in person.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 05, 2015, 02:32:59 AM
The Catch-22 for that plan is that if you do not already realize that it is a scam, then you probably do not have the skills necessary to evaluate it in person.  Whereas: if you realize the fact that it is a scam, then you probably would not have any interest in evaluating it in person.

I admire your blind faith, but I always prefer actual evidence to speculation.
If the opportunity arose, I would test the device thoroughly before attempting to
draw any conclusions, just as any reasonable person would do. The device will either
work as claimed, or it won't. ;)
All the best...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MileHigh on March 05, 2015, 02:47:06 AM
I admire your blind faith, but I always prefer actual evidence to speculation.
If the opportunity arose, I would test the device thoroughly before attempting to
draw any conclusions, just as any reasonable person would do. The device will either
work as claimed, or it won't. ;)
All the best...

The reality is that no combination of coils, resistors, capacitors, transistors, or MOSFETs can produce free energy.  Nonetheless, you have a revolving door with an endless stream of people pitching free energy circuits and people discussing and sometimes believing in these alleged free energy circuits.  So you have two agents stuck in the revolving door, the pitchers and the observers, endlessly turning and turning and turning and going nowhere.

Sometimes an observer drops some money onto the floor.  The bills slip under one of the doors and are picked up by the pitcher walking behind in the next compartment.  That feeds the system and keeps the door revolving and revolving and revolving.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 05, 2015, 02:52:29 AM
I admire your blind faith, but I always prefer actual evidence to speculation.
If the opportunity arose, I would test the device thoroughly before attempting to
draw any conclusions, just as any reasonable person would do. The device will either
work as claimed, or it won't. ;)
All the best...
I think you have funny definitions of terms such as:  "blind faith", "evidence", and "speculation".

I suggest that you first learn what the term:  "passive" means.  Akula claims that all of his components are passive.  Ergo he claims none of his components produce energy.  Ergo the sum of those components cannot produce energy.  Ergo by his own statements, his demonstrations are not powered by the components he claims to use.  QED. 
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 05, 2015, 02:58:30 AM
I think you have funny definitions of terms such as:  "blind faith", "evidence", and "speculation".
I suggest that you first learn what the term:  "passive" means.  Akula claims that all of his components are passive.  Ergo he claims none of his components produce energy.  Ergo the sum of those components cannot produce energy.  Ergo by his own statements, his demonstrations are not powered by the components he claims to use.  QED.

Actually Akula and his partners seem to be saying that they believe that they are tapping
into the Earth's magnetic field somehow, and they have also indicated that the composition
of the ferrite cores is also important in this device. Whether there is any truth to this or not remains to be seen.
All the best...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 05, 2015, 03:06:26 AM
Actually Akula and his partners seem to be saying that they believe that they are tapping
into the Earth's magnetic field somehow, and they have also indicated that the composition
of the ferrite cores is also important in this device. Whether there is any truth to this or not remains to be seen.
All the best...
People say lots of things.  What they demonstrate is something else.

The Earth's magnetic field is for all purposes static at any given location on the planet's surface.  Ergo there is no changing flux to be intercepted.  Ergo there is no induction to be tapped.  Ergo any claim of "tapping into the Earth's magnetic field somehow" is utter BS.  QED.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MileHigh on March 05, 2015, 03:16:27 AM
The Earth's magnetic field is for all purposes static at any given location on the planet's surface.  Ergo there is no changing flux to be intercepted.  Ergo there is no induction to be tapped.

Yes indeed.  All that you have to do is open up a science book and read and understand to understand this simple fact.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 05, 2015, 03:22:18 AM
People say lots of things.  What they demonstrate is something else.

The Earth's magnetic field is for all purposes static at any given location on the planet's surface.  Ergo there is no changing flux to be intercepted.  Ergo there is no induction to be tapped.  Ergo any claim of "tapping into the Earth's magnetic field somehow" is utter BS.  QED.

Using words like ergo and QED doesn't make your comments any more convincing to me. :)
They of course could be wrong about the Earth's magnetic field explanation, but if they are wrong about
that, that still doesn't necessarily mean the device doesn't work. They may just not really understand what
is really making it tick. This is all besides the point, because when it comes down to it, any investor who is on
the ball at all will insist on a thorough testing under their own conditions before giving them any money. ;)
All the best...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 05, 2015, 03:22:28 AM
Yes indeed.  All that you have to do is open up a science book and read and understand to understand this simple fact.
Or one can open up a pocket compass and set it down.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 05, 2015, 03:25:41 AM
Using words like ergo and QED doesn't make your comments any more convincing to me. :)
They of course could be wrong about the Earth's magnetic field explanation, but if they are wrong about
that, that still doesn't necessarily mean the device doesn't work. They may just not really understand what
is really making it tick. This is all besides the point, because when it comes down to it, any investor who is on
the ball at all will insist on a thorough testing under their own conditions before giving them any money. ;)
All the best...
Well, I suppose it is possible that you were never introduced to formal logic in school, or how a proof works.
They make a claim that defies established experience.  They fail to offer any compelling evidence in favor of their claim.  Ergo they offer nothing to dispute the established experience they wish to defy.  Ergo their claims fail.

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 05, 2015, 03:48:58 AM
Well, I suppose it is possible that you were never introduced to formal logic in school, or how a proof works.
They make a claim that defies established experience.  They fail to offer any compelling evidence in favor of their claim.  Ergo they offer nothing to dispute the established experience they wish to defy.  Ergo their claims fail.

Hi MarkE. You are too much mate. ;)
All the best...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Hoppy on March 05, 2015, 09:51:03 AM
Hi Hoppy. Yes, leaving the device running for a long duration in a test lab might be advisable,
but you could also just check for super caps or similar if you do a full disassembly and inspect/test/measure
each individual part. I think any reasonably cautious person would request to be able to do such thorough testing
before agreeing to any money exchange. If they don't agree to such a test, then an investor can simply move on.
Again, not a major problem. :)
All the best...

It would certainly be prudent to do so! The investor would need to decide if the device runs long enough for it to warrant a self-running label. In the case of Lasersabers device, it runs for a very long time and may well tempt an investor to deem it self-running, even if the device did contain a super-cap. The label in this case would then be misleading and dishonest in the generally accepted definition of the term 'self-running'. The point I'm trying to make here is that the investor decides if he can, if you will - 'get away with it' - legally. In the case of the electroscope I mentioned earlier, this was a classic case of getting away with it legally because it has never been scientifically proven that a bent coat hanger or hazel wand etc., can or cannot detect buried artefacts or hoards of coins in the hands of an operator skilled in the art of dowsing. The downfall in this case was the fact that the concealed circuitry did not match up to description. In the same way a very long running Lasersaber type device cannot be easily proven not to have a component of 'free energy' assisting its operation. It rests with the investor to make a judgement as to whether a device can be sold without legal comeback.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 05, 2015, 10:18:58 AM
It would certainly be prudent to do so! The investor would need to decide if the device runs long enough for it to warrant a self-running label. In the case of Lasersabers device, it runs for a very long time and may well tempt an investor to deem it self-running, even if the device did contain a super-cap. The label in this case would then be misleading and dishonest in the generally accepted definition of the term 'self-running'. The point I'm trying to make here is that the investor decides if he can, if you will - 'get away with it' - legally. In the case of the electroscope I mentioned earlier, this was a classic case of getting away with it legally because it has never been scientifically proven that a bent coat hanger or hazel wand etc., can or cannot detect buried artefacts or hoards of coins in the hands of an operator skilled in the art of dowsing. The downfall in this case was the fact that the concealed circuitry did not match up to description. In the same way a very long running Lasersaber type device cannot be easily proven not to have a component of 'free energy' assisting its operation. It rests with the investor to make a judgement as to whether a device can be sold without legal comeback.
Claims that the device is powered by the earth's magnetic field are blatantly false.  Competent examination will expose the specific details of Akula's ruse.  Such examination will be forcefully resisted as it would immediately kill any investment in what is just another battery powered LED light.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: a.king21 on March 05, 2015, 12:13:58 PM
The fact that all Akula can claim is a measly half to one watt when he reckons to have hundreds of watts  in his videos is proof enough that he is not worth following and is a waste of time.


I have maintained for some time that Kapanadze's devices are eye candy and the real secret is buried deep inside his device, probably a transformer anomaly.
For some reason he always liked to offer me three phase. He likes three phase transformers.
Look there.


Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Hoppy on March 05, 2015, 12:37:20 PM
The fact that all Akula can claim is a measly half to one watt when he reckons to have hundreds of watts  in his videos is proof enough that he is not worth following and is a waste of time.


Agreed. Most experienced constructors could cobble together a very low powered device as unconvincingly demonstrated as that we see in the video.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 05, 2015, 02:50:43 PM
The fact that all Akula can claim is a measly half to one watt when he reckons to have hundreds of watts  in his videos is proof enough that he is not worth following and is a waste of time.

I have maintained for some time that Kapanadze's devices are eye candy and the real secret is buried deep inside his device, probably a transformer anomaly.
For some reason he always liked to offer me three phase. He likes three phase transformers.
Look there.

Hi a.king21. I can't say what either Kapadnadze or Akula are really doing, but if Akula's devices really do work, I think
possibly Akula's higher power devices may be proving unstable in one or more ways. He seems to have gone with
the lower power device, at least for now, which he says he can make quite stable now, and which he says can scale up
to about 50 Watts. Stability is a very important factor if you are planning to market a device like this. The higher power devices
Akula has previously demonstrated, if they really work,  just may not be there yet as far as stability, or may not work the same
in different locations as has been suggested by some. At any rate, even if a person only has a self runner that can only initially
produce say 1/2 watt reliably, it is still something that will be of great interest, as the potential is immense. Who knows where 
such things could lead with in depth R&D.

I suspect that if Akula's current device really does work, that it may be due to some process occurring in the ferrite itself. The
description to the latest video suggests that this is an important factor as well. In some previous videos by Akula he has also indicated
that this is an effect that he was investigating, and what he thinks was making some of his similar devices work. This is something that I am
continuing to experiment with, but there are various different ferrite compositions and who knows if Akula is not coating his ferrites with some
substance as well. My suggestion that it might be a good idea to test Akula's devices of this type with a Geiger counter is based on this idea as well. :)

I'd be interested to hear from Stefan on this. Stefan, have you viewed any of Akula's devices in person, and if so, what was your impression?
Do you have any further info to add to this discussion?

All the best...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 05, 2015, 04:58:29 PM
The fact that all Akula can claim is a measly half to one watt when he reckons to have hundreds of watts  in his videos is proof enough that he is not worth following and is a waste of time.


I have maintained for some time that Kapanadze's devices are eye candy and the real secret is buried deep inside his device, probably a transformer anomaly.
For some reason he always liked to offer me three phase. He likes three phase transformers.
Look there.
Based on the dim appearance of his LEDs, Akula's latest demonstration is probably in the low 10's of mW power to the LEDs at best.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on March 05, 2015, 08:39:08 PM
Look, many people have seen David Copperfield make the Statue of Liberty disappear, live and in person. That doesn't mean he is actually doing it!  It simply means that he is very good at doing what he actually _does_ do to make you think the statue has disappeared. The testimony of "eyewitnesses" who cannot conduct a thorough and complete examination of what is being presented is essentially worthless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=823GNH4Rczg

It is also not true that dowsing has not been scientifically disproven. 
Here is a report on one of the largest and best studies, out of many, that have disproven the effectiveness of dowsing:
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/testing_dowsing_the_failure_of_the_munich_experiments/ (http://www.csicop.org/si/show/testing_dowsing_the_failure_of_the_munich_experiments/)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Hoppy on March 05, 2015, 09:16:32 PM

It is also not true that dowsing has not been scientifically disproven. 
Here is a report on one of the largest and best studies, out of many, that have disproven the effectiveness of dowsing:
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/testing_dowsing_the_failure_of_the_munich_experiments/ (http://www.csicop.org/si/show/testing_dowsing_the_failure_of_the_munich_experiments/)

https://www.jashow.org/wiki/index.php/Can_Scientific_Testing_Prove_Dowsing_Works
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 05, 2015, 09:30:23 PM
https://www.jashow.org/wiki/index.php/Can_Scientific_Testing_Prove_Dowsing_Works
From the top of that link:

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By: Dr. John Ankerberg and Dr.John Weldon; ©2012
We think that the reason demons are impersonating good angels today is not only for purposes of spiritual deception, theologically and philosophically, but also so that they can easily oppress and possess people through the guise of “higher consciousness”

LOL, yes "thinking" is the devil's work.  We should have known.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 05, 2015, 09:31:18 PM
Look, many people have seen David Copperfield make the Statue of Liberty disappear, live and in person. That doesn't mean he is actually doing it!  It simply means that he is very good at doing what he actually _does_ do to make you think the statue has disappeared. The testimony of "eyewitnesses" who cannot conduct a thorough and complete examination of what is being presented is essentially worthless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=823GNH4Rczg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=823GNH4Rczg)

It is also not true that dowsing has not been scientifically disproven. 
Here is a report on one of the largest and best studies, out of many, that have disproven the effectiveness of dowsing:
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/testing_dowsing_the_failure_of_the_munich_experiments/ (http://www.csicop.org/si/show/testing_dowsing_the_failure_of_the_munich_experiments/)

This is, of course, anecdotal but a good friend of mine needed to dig up his water pipes to fix a leak that happened after the water meter and before his house connection.  The water company does not care about those leaks as they get paid for it...

He did have to call the local water company to come out to mark the water lines and...a guy shows up and my friend, who is into electronic gizmos, was very curious as to what type of metal detector gadget he might use.  Well, this old guy arrives in the water company truck and, low and behold, he has two 90 degree bent pieces of metal and begins dowsing for the water lines for my friend to dig up.  It took him less than 10 minutes and he used spray paint to mark where my friend was to dig.

Of course my buddy was baffled and asked the guy how this worked and the guy said that yes, he had all sorts of high tech stuff in the truck to do this with but, he said he has been doing this for 20 years and never needed the equipment and has never been wrong even once.

My friend was skeptical as he was going to dig by hand but...low and behold, the water lines were exactly where the old guy had marked them.
He considered that maybe the guy studied the water line maps before getting to his house, but, in this area, what is on the maps is almost never where the lines actually run.  I found this out the hard way when I owned my last home.  My water lines were over 200 Ft. from the easement on my deed from the water company.

So, this is of course not conclusive of anything but, my friend is no idiot (retired Military Intelligence and retired from IBM as a tech.)  We just spoke about this event a few days ago and he still does not understand it.  He called the water company and they told him that yes, this guy is supposed to use the right equipment to locate the water lines but, they said he has never missed yet so they sort of let it go.

Take this for what it is.

Bill
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 05, 2015, 09:36:24 PM
Any chance we can keep this thread about Akula's self running lantern circuits?
Although interesting, dowsing is not really related to the topic at hand. :D

I was hoping that Stefan may have some comments on Akula's devices, since Stefan seems
to be in contact with Akula's business partners in Germany.

All the best...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 05, 2015, 10:30:07 PM
Any chance we can keep this thread about Akula's self running lantern circuits?
Although interesting, dowsing is not really related to the topic at hand. :D

I was hoping that Stefan may have some comments on Akula's devices, since Stefan seems
to be in contact with Akula's business partners in Germany.

All the best...

Hey, I'm sorry.  I just thought the story fit with where the topic had progressed to.

Let's see if Stefan has any info on this as you suggested.

Bill
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 05, 2015, 10:35:05 PM
Hey, I'm sorry.  I just thought the story fit with where the topic had progressed to.
Let's see if Stefan has any info on this as you suggested.

No worries mate. Your story was interesting. I have heard similar stories as well in regards to some 
traditional well diggers. Just wondering if Stefan has any comments, but maybe he is not reading
this thread.
All the best...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on March 06, 2015, 02:19:45 AM
https://www.jashow.org/wiki/index.php/Can_Scientific_Testing_Prove_Dowsing_Works (https://www.jashow.org/wiki/index.php/Can_Scientific_Testing_Prove_Dowsing_Works)

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But the critics who argue that nothing supernatural is ever involved in dowsing are wrong. Scientific or rationalistic explanations for dowsing phenomena simply do not do justice to the facts, nor are the arguments against dowsing in books such as Korem and Meier’s The Fakers entirely convincing. When supernatural phenomena are present, spiritistic activity is the most logical explanation for the results of dowsing. And when dowsing is practiced, such an influence may be present whether dowsing attempts are successful or not.

In other words, there are supernatural forces operating in the world and science is irrelevant, since the measurements and results of scientific testing cannot account for these supernatural forces and effects. You might as well give up then, because you can blame _everything that happens_ or seems to happen on "supernatural" causes. Maybe it is a supernatural cause that prevents almost all "free energy" devices from working, and only Akula has the right "spiritual" mindset to let those supernatural forces through, and his devices are powered by them.

There is no point in trying to reason with people who actually believe things like that... because "supernatural" forces always trump reason, rationality and science, and you can blame or attribute anything and everything to your "supernatural" causes. It's funny, though, how these supernatural forces and causes are so weak that they cannot overcome a proper scientific protocol and show their effects when tested by such protocols-- as the article readily admits.

Insert facepalm image here.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 06, 2015, 02:33:36 AM
In other words, there are supernatural forces operating in the world and science is irrelevant, since the measurements and results of scientific testing cannot account for these supernatural forces and effects. You might as well give up then, because you can blame _everything that happens_ or seems to happen on "supernatural" causes. Maybe it is a supernatural cause that prevents almost all "free energy" devices from working, and only Akula has the right "spiritual" mindset to let those supernatural forces through, and his devices are powered by them.

There is no point in trying to reason with people who actually believe things like that... because "supernatural" forces always trump reason, rationality and science, and you can blame or attribute anything and everything to your "supernatural" causes. It's funny, though, how these supernatural forces and causes are so weak that they cannot overcome a proper scientific protocol and show their effects when tested by such protocols-- as the article readily admits.

Insert facepalm image here.
Is it the demons or angels that are responsible for the false positives and negatives?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 06, 2015, 02:54:28 AM
Is it the demons or angels that are responsible for the false positives and negatives?

Both, ha ha.

Bill
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: hartiberlin on March 06, 2015, 06:12:17 PM
My suggestion that it might be a good idea to test Akula's devices of this type with a Geiger counter is based on this idea as well. :)

I'd be interested to hear from Stefan on this. Stefan, have you viewed any of Akula's devices in person, and if so, what was your impression?
Do you have any further info to add to this discussion?

All the best...

Well, I have not yet seen the device myself, but I hope I can visit them still in the coming months.
In this moment Akula is only here in Germany in the Stuttgart region for only 10 days.

But he will come back later longer this year.

Arthur Tränkle now has this new prototype and told me, that it is already running since last friday.
so now a week long.

He also told me, that the device is also running wrapped in aluminiumfoil and also
put in a metallic chocolate box....

So the claimed tapping of the earth magnetic field is rather vague, although it might just tap the
longitudinal waves part of the magnetic field of the earth magnetic field, that might not be able
to be shielded by an iron-metallic box ?

Also Arthur told me, that the ferrite material need to be specially heat treated in an oven...
Maybe the Q of the resonance is then better when you do such a heat  annealing ?
Or maybe it was shock cooled then ? I don´t know....

Maybe one should try to heat the cores with HHO gas...
or it really depends on the excited radioactive decay of the ferrite components ?
Maybe there are some kind of Morray type radioactive decay material inside the ferrite
or Akula put something around his transformer wire and coated them with some radioactive
active betay decay material ?

As Morray succeeded exciting his White Swedish stone material with High Voltage High Frequency bursts
from local radio stations via his antenna to give off excited Beta decay radiation into his circuit
and this worked like a negative resistance amplifier, it might be possible, that Akula also stumbled
onto this phaenomen and now has succeeded in tapping it....

We will see...


Regards, Stefan.

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 06, 2015, 06:38:16 PM
Hi Stefan. Thanks for the info on Akula's device, etc. My thinking is along the same line
as yours, that Akula is possibly doing something special with the ferrite cores. I continue to
experiment with ferrite cores to see if I can find any interesting effect along these lines.
All the best...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MenofFather on March 06, 2015, 06:46:56 PM
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So the claimed tapping of the earth magnetic field is rather vague, although it might just tap the[/size]longitudinal waves part of the magnetic field of the earth magnetic field, that might not be ableto be shielded by an iron-metallic box ?
I think, that it running on energy from backround enviroment. Like human running on air. If no air, human dead. But to run on air, you must put air in moutm you must open your mouth. Akula generator opening "mouth" to get energy from enviroment.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 06, 2015, 07:16:48 PM
Well, I have not yet seen the device myself, but I hope I can visit them still in the coming months.
In this moment Akula is only here in Germany in the Stuttgart region for only 10 days.

But he will come back later longer this year.

Arthur Tränkle now has this new prototype and told me, that it is already running since last friday.
so now a week long.

He also told me, that the device is also running wrapped in aluminiumfoil and also
put in a metallic chocolate box....

So the claimed tapping of the earth magnetic field is rather vague, although it might just tap the
longitudinal waves part of the magnetic field of the earth magnetic field, that might not be able
to be shielded by an iron-metallic box ?
For those who believe in this LW business, set-up an antenna for such things and measure the available energy density.
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Also Arthur told me, that the ferrite material need to be specially heat treated in an oven...
Maybe the Q of the resonance is then better when you do such a heat  annealing ?
Annealing is the LAST thing that anyone should want to do to a soft ferrite.  Soft ferrites are made by rapid quenching so as to avoid forming large crystal domains as occurs when one anneals material.  Annealing is great for making tempered glass.  For efficient ferrites, it is a bad idea.
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Or maybe it was shock cooled then ? I don´t know....
Rapid cooling is the normal method of producing soft ferrites.
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Maybe one should try to heat the cores with HHO gas...
or it really depends on the excited radioactive decay of the ferrite components ?
There isn't much in your typical ferrite in the way of radio nuclides.
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Maybe there are some kind of Morray type radioactive decay material inside the ferrite
or Akula put something around his transformer wire and coated them with some radioactive
active betay decay material ?

As Morray succeeded exciting his White Swedish stone material with High Voltage High Frequency bursts
from local radio stations via his antenna to give off excited Beta decay radiation into his circuit
and this worked like a negative resistance amplifier, it might be possible, that Akula also stumbled
onto this phaenomen and now has succeeded in tapping it....

We will see...


Regards, Stefan.
Ultimately, we will see that Akula is using a battery.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2015, 08:16:28 PM
Stefan
Thank you for keeping us informed,I would not expect the shark to
Go to Germany to hide batteries in a box...your technically savvy
countrymen would not be the first choice for a scam artist ..







Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: magpwr on March 06, 2015, 08:20:54 PM
For those who believe in this LW business, set-up an antenna for such things and measure the available energy density.Annealing is the LAST thing that anyone should want to do to a soft ferrite.  Soft ferrites are made by rapid quenching so as to avoid forming large crystal domains as occurs when one anneals material.  Annealing is great for making tempered glass.  For efficient ferrites, it is a bad idea.Rapid cooling is the normal method of producing soft ferrites.There isn't much in your typical ferrite in the way of radio nuclides.Ultimately, we will see that Akula is using a battery.

hi MarKE,

Akula merely told only half the story about repairing TV and made some discovery from there.
If my memory is still valid i last recall Akula had phone or skype meeting with verpies few years ago and Akula is working for the department of Nuclear magnetic resonance which is obviously related to the
department of alternative energy research.Maybe i am wrong or maybe we are really far behind. :o

Base on my knowledge in Asia any investor from China whom is willing to invest or throw millions would have small chance of government backing.

--------------
Additional info-
The Don smith replication in China few years ago were using expensive CREE SIC 1.2KV IGBT x 8.Base on currency exchange USD-CHY i doubt no ordinary group is willing to fork out that kind of money for
a replication if you got my point not counting the expensive B&W coil.They did not mention clearly which department they were from.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 06, 2015, 08:57:59 PM
It's preposterous to imagine that Akula could hide a battery inside a capacitor and trick anyone for more then 60 seconds.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MenofFather on March 06, 2015, 09:00:03 PM
It's preposterous to imagine that Akula could hide a battery inside a capacitor and trick anyone for more then 60 seconds.
Yes. Artur Trinkle, can change all capasitors to be shor, that not hiden battery in capasitor.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 06, 2015, 09:07:32 PM
Yes. Artur Trinkle, can change all capasitors to be shor, that not hiden battery in capasitor.

All you really need to do to check for hidden batteries is to measure each connection point on the circuit
with the device off and fully discharged, with respect to the device ground or component ground as appropriate,
and check for any DC voltage anywhere in the circuit. With care, it shouldn't be hard to detect a hidden battery
even without having to disassemble the device.
All the best...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 06, 2015, 09:16:53 PM
What do you think, does it look like it could be neodymium magnets in the following two
attached pictures of Akula's recent devices?
All the best..
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on March 06, 2015, 09:29:19 PM
It's preposterous to imagine that Akula could hide a battery inside a capacitor and trick anyone for more then 60 seconds.
It is not at all preposterous. You have _never_ seen any tests yet by Akula or anyone else on an Akula "working" device that would rule this trick out.

Now that the idea has been suggested, though, there is no reason why someone would not apply the appropriate tests to a "working" Akula device.

Or is there?

Will we see Tränkle examine the device's connections with a voltmeter, as Void has suggested, in a YT video?   Why haven't we _already_ seen such an examination, since the battery-in-a-capacitor-can idea was first proposed long ago?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on March 06, 2015, 09:46:50 PM
Stefan
Thank you for keeping us informed,I would not expect the shark to
Go to Germany to hide batteries in a box...your technically savvy
countrymen would not be the first choice for a scam artist ..

And that "would not expect" part is crucial. It keeps you from insisting on seeing
proper examination and measurements, because you trust the claimant to be
telling you the truth. Maybe he is... if so, he should welcome the appropriate
tests and examinations. So where is the simple and easy voltmeter test that
Void suggested?

"Here, you can keep this for a week, but first you must sign this NDA where you promise
not to try to reverse-engineer it, make any measurements in the circuit or take it apart,
to protect my intellectual property."

Or, more cynically...

"Here, I'll pay you a thousand Euro to keep your mouth shut about this because I've got
a big fish on the hook and when he comes through with a big check, I'll cut you in for ten
percent of the take."


Don't you remember the story of Viktor Roznyay and the antigravity machine that wasn't?
He arrogantly presented his device to a _very_ technically savvy team that included Ken Shoulders
and Hal Puthoff and he thought that they would be fooled by his repeatable weight-loss measurements.
There was a million dollars in grant funding at stake.
It took less than two days of _actual_ testing to show that the claims were false and to track down
the exact source of the "weight loss" that the device produced.

The key is _actual testing_ . If no actual testing is permitted by the claimant, then what good is any
amount of "technical savvy"? Scientists are actually pretty easy to fool, because they are trusting and
find it hard to believe that anyone would lie to them and deliberately try to fool them. And, believe it or
not, many scientists actually have very little experience in setting up and performing actual True Experiments
that have the ability to assign cause-and-effect relationships among the variables concerned.


Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 06, 2015, 10:57:12 PM
hi MarKE,

Akula merely told only half the story about repairing TV and made some discovery from there.
If my memory is still valid i last recall Akula had phone or skype meeting with verpies few years ago and Akula is working for the department of Nuclear magnetic resonance which is obviously related to the
department of alternative energy research.Maybe i am wrong or maybe we are really far behind. :o

Base on my knowledge in Asia any investor from China whom is willing to invest or throw millions would have small chance of government backing.

--------------
Additional info-
The Don smith replication in China few years ago were using expensive CREE SIC 1.2KV IGBT x 8.Base on currency exchange USD-CHY i doubt no ordinary group is willing to fork out that kind of money for
a replication if you got my point not counting the expensive B&W coil.They did not mention clearly which department they were from.
IOW you were told a bunch of uncorroborated stories.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 06, 2015, 10:57:55 PM
It's preposterous to imagine that Akula could hide a battery inside a capacitor and trick anyone for more then 60 seconds.
Why?  He's fooling some people on this forum.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: turbogt16v on March 08, 2015, 03:14:42 PM
He is pure scam artist,nothing more...
Really don't know why you let him dirt this forum too.
By his claims, he already has more than 20 patents for OU ,and not even 1 is reproduced by someone else but him
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Tink on March 09, 2015, 04:18:39 AM
He is pure scam artist,nothing more...
Really don't know why you let him dirt this forum too.
How do you know that?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 09, 2015, 05:44:36 AM
He is pure scam artist,nothing more...
Really don't know why you let him dirt this forum too.
By his claims, he already has more than 20 patents for OU ,and not even 1 is reproduced by someone else but him

@turbogt16v,

Here's a video by Dr. Stiffler where he illuminates an LED with three coils alone and no battery and no transistor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIIhgHTEoM0

Stiffler goes on to demonstrate the importance of "Spatial Resonant Frequency" where the longitudinal axis of the solenoid coil is in line with the North and South poles of Earth's magetic field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv-Q-_IszCg

Akula's claims are not too far removed from Dr. Stiffler's test results!
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 09, 2015, 06:54:34 AM
Antenna + tuned LC tank + rectifier = basic narrowband receiver. 
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: turbogt16v on March 09, 2015, 07:13:26 AM
How do you know that?

If you are able to produce even 1 unit that works ,you would do your best to draw perfect scheme for everybody to reproduce,
and help others to reproduce,and not try to blame it on some excuses why its maybe working maybe not ....
And if you claim to make more than 20 different units ,and no one can reproduce it ,
than it obvious to normal thinking people ,that his purpose is to distract people from proceeding in wright direction.
And the only problem is  that he is not alone.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Tink on March 09, 2015, 03:01:34 PM
How do you know that?

If you are able to produce even 1 unit that works ,you would do your best to draw perfect scheme for everybody to reproduce,
and help others to reproduce,and not try to blame it on some excuses why its maybe working maybe not ....
And if you claim to make more than 20 different units ,and no one can reproduce it ,
than it obvious to normal thinking people ,that his purpose is to distract people from proceeding in wright direction.
And the only problem is  that he is not alone.
So you don't know.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 09, 2015, 07:09:13 PM
Antenna + tuned LC tank + rectifier = basic narrowband receiver.

@MarkE,

Dr. Stiffler wraps his coils in an aluminum tray, places them in a microwave oven. Joe Tate's "Ambient Power Module" needs a long antenna. You can't have it both ways; A hidden battery, then radio waves! Stephan says his tester has Akula's unit wrapped in tin foil too. He would notice a stupid battery.

Dr. Stiffler demonstrates a different "Spatial Resonating Frequency" that is an inherent characteristic of the coil like the "Self Resonating Frequency" that's a function of Earth's magnetic field. Akula's been ridiculed for implying the "Earth Field" can have any efffect on his generator at all.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: plaxius on March 09, 2015, 08:17:03 PM
@turbogt16v,

Here's a video by Dr. Stiffler where he illuminates an LED with three coils alone and no battery and no transistor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIIhgHTEoM0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIIhgHTEoM0)

Stiffler goes on to demonstrate the importance of "Spatial Resonant Frequency" where the longitudinal axis of the solenoid coil is in line with the North and South poles of Earth's magetic field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv-Q-_IszCg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv-Q-_IszCg)

Akula's claims are not too far removed from Dr. Stiffler's test results!




VASMUS is similar concept ..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pC7W_aJiOk

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 09, 2015, 09:01:21 PM
He would notice a stupid battery.

Yes, I would think the first thing any reasonable person would do is at least do some basic and simple checks with a voltmeter
to check for a hidden battery.  While someone who is very gullible might not do such basic tests, I expect most anyone
who is going to be potentially spending any amount of money or promoting such a device would do such a very obvious test such
as checking for hidden batteries, and probably do a lot more in depth checking on the circuit as well. This whole thing about
hidden batteries really doesn't seem too likely at all considering that Akula's German business partners have been working
with Akula for quite some time now. So, if not hidden batteries, then maybe a disguised super cap, but to power that many LEDs
and the driver circuitry for a week (and possibly longer now) from a super cap or two is not too likely, as well, and would probably get
picked up when checking for a hidden battery anyway. :)

As an example to help get a rough idea, lets say you have a 25F super cap disguised as a lower value electrolytic cap.
Super caps of that capacitance size are usually rated at a max of 2.7V.
So, if fully charged, you have a stored energy of 91.125 Joules in the 25F super cap (at 2.7V).
Over 24 hours (86,400 seconds) that would supply an average input power of  91.125J/86,400s = 1.055mW
The LEDs plus the driver circuitry itself are likely consuming a fair bit more power than that, so even
a 24 hour run time with a 2.7V, 25F super cap would not even work. A whole week of continuous running and you would need
quite a bank of super caps, which the circuit clearly does not have. Also, a super cap takes a fair bit more than just a quick connection
to a battery to charge right up to 2.7V. Really, with even just a little thought it becomes clear that a hidden battery or super caps are not
very likely at all here. ;) The circuit has also been running for at least a week while wrapped in aluminum foil as well, so
even the possibility of a hidden wireless power transmitter appears to be unlikely, and I would guess they have probably done
a few more tests/checks to rule out a hidden wireless power source.
So, what is left?

All the best...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 09, 2015, 09:36:46 PM
@MarkE,

Dr. Stiffler wraps his coils in an aluminum tray, places them in a microwave oven. Joe Tate's "Ambient Power Module" needs a long antenna. You can't have it both ways; A hidden battery, then radio waves! Stephan says his tester has Akula's unit wrapped in tin foil too. He would notice a stupid battery.
We have two different claims and two completely different demonstrations, but you demand that they both must have the same explanation.  That's just silly.
Quote

Dr. Stiffler demonstrates a different "Spatial Resonating Frequency" that is an inherent characteristic of the coil like the "Self Resonating Frequency" that's a function of Earth's magnetic field. Akula's been ridiculed for implying the "Earth Field" can have any efffect on his generator at all.
Dr. Stiffler's "Spatial Resonating Frequency" is ordinary electromagnetics.  It results from materials reflecting and propagating electromagnetic waves.  I don't know what object you believe has a SRF that varies with the earth's magnetic field.  Outside of flux-gate magnetometers I am pressed to think of a device that would have such a behavior.  Anyone's claim that they: in a desktop sized device located anywhere near the surface of the earth and therefore immersed in both the relatively weak and very constant magnetic field of the earth extract induced electric energy energy from that field is false.  No time dependent change in B x l means no induction.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 09, 2015, 10:07:12 PM
Yes, I would think the first thing any reasonable person would do is at least do some basic and simple checks with a voltmeter
to check for a hidden battery.  While someone who is very gullible might not do such basic tests, I expect most anyone
who is going to be potentially spending any amount of money or promoting such a device would do such a very obvious test such
as checking for hidden batteries, and probably do a lot more in depth checking on the circuit as well. This whole thing about
hidden batteries really doesn't seem too likely at all considering that Akula's German business partners have been working
with Akula for quite some time now. So, if not hidden batteries, then maybe a disguised super cap, but to power that many LEDs
and the driver circuitry for a week (and possibly longer now) from a super cap or two is not too likely, as well, and would probably get
picked up when checking for a hidden battery anyway. :)

As an example to help get a rough idea, lets say you have a 25F super cap disguised as a lower value electrolytic cap.
Super caps of that capacitance size are usually rated at a max of 2.7V.
So, if fully charged, you have a stored energy of 91.125 Joules in the 25F super cap (at 2.7V).
Over 24 hours (86,400 seconds) that would supply an average input power of  91.125J/86,400s = 1.055mW
The LEDs plus the driver circuitry itself are likely consuming a fair bit more power than that, so even
a 24 hour run time with a 2.7V, 25F super cap would not even work. A whole week of continuous running and you would need
quite a bank of super caps, which the circuit clearly does not have. Also, a super cap takes a fair bit more than just a quick connection
to a battery to charge right up to 2.7V. Really, with even just a little thought it becomes clear that a hidden battery or super caps are not
very likely at all here. ;) The circuit has also been running for at least a week while wrapped in aluminum foil as well, so
even the possibility of a hidden wireless power transmitter appears to be unlikely, and I would guess they have probably done
a few more tests/checks to rule out a hidden wireless power source.
So, what is left?

All the best...
Evaluating energy to check the feasibility of stored energy is a reasonable thing to do.  There are 504,800s in a week.  So, you need ~505J/mW drawn from the circuit.  If we grossly assume 50.5% efficiency, then around 1kJ is required for each mW continuous output over a week.  A single CR1220 delivers ~350J.  Each cell is 0.5" dia x 0.08" h.  It seems Akula has plenty of space in his capacitor volumes to fit a bunch of such cells.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 09, 2015, 10:27:58 PM
Evaluating energy to check the feasibility of stored energy is a reasonable thing to do.  There are 504,800s in a week.  So, you need ~505J/mW drawn from the circuit.  If we grossly assume 50.5% efficiency, then around 1kJ is required for each mW continuous output over a week.  A single CR1220 delivers ~350J.  Each cell is 0.5" dia x 0.08" h.  It seems Akula has plenty of space in his capacitor volumes to fit a bunch of such cells.

Hi MarkE. Again however, a simple voltmeter check will pick up any hidden batteries,
so not very likely here...
All the best...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Hoppy on March 09, 2015, 10:38:28 PM
Hi MarkE. Again however, a simple voltmeter check will pick up any hidden batteries,
so not very likely here...
All the best...

Agreed, especially if this simple check is not in the best interests of both Akula and business partner(s) to show publicly.  ;)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 09, 2015, 10:50:56 PM
Agreed, especially if this simple check is not in the best interests of both Akula and business partner(s) to show publicly.  ;)

Hi Hoppy. Well, they don't really have any reason to show such details publicly.
Any potential investor will most likely do such tests for themselves under their own conditions, and
not take anyone's word for it. ;)

Are you suggesting that you or anyone else would trust it if they showed such a voltage check in a video?
You know you wouldn't trust any such test shown in a video. People would immediately post
comments saying that the voltmeter is rigged, or they are not making proper connection to the
circuit, or whatever. People can repeat the same suggestion about hidden batteries over and over again, but
repetition does not make it any more likely, at least not to me anyway. ;) Yes, it is possible that someone
who is very gullible or too trusting might not do such basic and obvious tests, but just not very likely for anyone who
is planning on spending some significant amount of money to invest or license the claimed technology...

P.S. Basically, the way I look at it, is Akula and his business partners would have to be awfully dumb to think
they could fool serious investors with just a hidden battery in the circuit, don't you think? That just doesn't
make much sense... :)

All the best...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 09, 2015, 10:57:05 PM
We have two different claims and two completely different demonstrations, but you demand that they both must have the same explanation.  That's just silly.Dr. Stiffler's "Spatial Resonating Frequency" is ordinary electromagnetics.  It results from materials reflecting and propagating electromagnetic waves.  I don't know what object you believe has a SRF that varies with the earth's magnetic field.  Outside of flux-gate magnetometers I am pressed to think of a device that would have such a behavior.  Anyone's claim that they: in a desktop sized device located anywhere near the surface of the earth and therefore immersed in both the relatively weak and very constant magnetic field of the earth extract induced electric energy energy from that field is false.  No time dependent change in B x l means no induction.

@MarkE,

The impotant difference is between the "Spatial Resonant Frequency" and the "Self Resonating Frequency" of the same object within or outside the Earth field, not any variation caused to the object by variations in the field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOq7-WsL5c

These "Spatial Frequencies" are important because as Dr. Stiffler points out: "There are particular frequencies and groups thereof that will cause a lattice response".

The lattice response Dr. Stiffler refers to involves opening a little door through which energy leaks in. This effect has nothing what-so-ever to do with time dependent induction from the "Earth Field".
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 09, 2015, 11:10:04 PM
@MarkE,

The impotant difference is between the "Spatial Resonant Frequency" and the "Self Resonating Frequency" of the same object within or outside the Earth field, not any variation caused to the object by variations in the field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOq7-WsL5c
The video makes no reference to the earth's magnetic field.  His "Spatial Resonant Frequency" is ordinary electomagnetics.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Hoppy on March 09, 2015, 11:47:23 PM
Hi Hoppy. Well, they don't really have any reason to show such details publicly.
Any potential investor will most likely do such tests for themselves under their own conditions, and
not take anyone's word for it. ;)

Are you suggesting that you or anyone else would trust it if they showed such a voltage check in a video?
You know you wouldn't trust any such test shown in a video. People would immediately post
comments saying that the voltmeter is rigged, or they are not making proper connection to the
circuit, or whatever. People can repeat the same suggestion about hidden batteries over and over again, but
repetition does not make it any more likely, at least not to me anyway. ;) Yes, it is possible that someone
who is very gullible or too trusting might not do such basic and obvious tests, but just not very likely for anyone who
is planning on spending some significant amount of money to invest or license the claimed technology...

P.S. Basically, the way I look at it, is Akula and his business partners would have to be awfully dumb to think
they could fool serious investors with just a hidden battery in the circuit, don't you think? That just doesn't
make much sense... :)

All the best...

I don't see how a device of this type and build would even get the attention of a serious investor. We are going round in circles, so let's just wait and see how this all pans out.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 10, 2015, 12:07:07 AM
I don't see how a device of this type and build would even get the attention of a serious investor.
We are going round in circles, so let's just wait and see how this all pans out.

Hi Hoppy. A self running electric generator will likely get the attention of many investors,
even if the generator is only very low power, because of the very obvious huge potential there if
it is not a fake, just as it has garnered quite a lot of attention in forums like this. There are many
people who believe such things are completely impossible so won't bother to even take a look, but there are probably
many others with big bucks behind them who will leave no stone left unturned in their search for new potential sources 
of energy. It is a very large world, and we can't rely on oil forever. Countries that don't have their own large
resources of oil and gas may take more interest.  It also depends on what sort of business
connections and savvy Akula's partners have in drawing attention to what they have.   
Yes, we may see what happens, but then again private business deals often remain private. 
All the best...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2015, 01:02:42 AM
The video makes no reference to the earth's magnetic field.  His "Spatial Resonant Frequency" is ordinary electomagnetics.

@MarkE,

You simply haven't looked at Dr. Stiffler's videos. I'm not going to start to spoon feed you again. You can dwell in your ignorance.
Go back to post #212 and look at the second video. You show up routinely with a blind spot the size of Texas!

The other important fact is that Akula manufactured a ferrite alloy with molecular characteristics that complement the body of "Spatial Resonant Frequencies" that free up and channel electrons.

It's important to understand that the "Lattice Emitting Resonant Frequencies" only appear when the longitudinal axis of the solenoid coil is in line with the Noth South axis of Earth's Magnetic Field. Now you need to brush up on your home work Mr. Edison.

                                                                      Pay attention!
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: memoryman on March 10, 2015, 02:13:36 AM
"It's important to understand that the "Lattice Emitting Resonant Frequencies" only appear when the longitudinal axis of the solenoid coil is in line with the North South axis of Earth's Magnetic Field. " don't forget the full moon at midnight on the 29th of February, while sipping your tea made of ground Unicorn horn, chanting all the while.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2015, 02:22:37 AM
"It's important to understand that the "Lattice Emitting Resonant Frequencies" only appear when the longitudinal axis of the solenoid coil is in line with the North South axis of Earth's Magnetic Field. " don't forget the full moon at midnight on the 29th of February, while sipping your tea made of ground Unicorn horn, chanting all the while.

@Memoryman,

You need to view Dr. Stiffler's videos too wise guy! What is "Spatial Resonant Frequency" a drug induced hallucination perchance? You grade schoolers are good at crapping on academic scholars.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: memoryman on March 10, 2015, 02:32:54 AM
"You grade schoolers are good at craping on academic scholars." At least we know how to spell and use proper grammar...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2015, 02:37:24 AM
"You grade schoolers are good at craping on academic scholars." At least we know how to spell and use proper grammar...

@Memoryman,

Eat shit!
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: memoryman on March 10, 2015, 02:42:18 AM
A real reply worthy of an academic. " Eat shit!" Are you referring to eating your posts?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2015, 02:47:32 AM
A real reply worthy of an academic. " Eat shit!" Are you referring to eating your posts?

@Memoryman,

That's from the big 154, and three puny gold stickers!
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 10, 2015, 02:53:51 AM
@MarkE,

You simply haven't looked at Dr. Stiffler's videos. I'm not going to start to spoon feed you again. You can dwell in your ignorance.
Go back to post #212 and look at the second video. You show up routinely with a blind spot the size of Texas!

The other important fact is that Akula manufactured a ferrite alloy with molecular characteristics that complement the body of "Spatial Resonant Frequencies" that free up and channel electrons.

It's important to understand that the "Lattice Emitting Resonant Frequencies" only appear when the longitudinal axis of the solenoid coil is in line with the Noth South axis of Earth's Magnetic Field. Now you need to brush up on your home work Mr. Edison.
Synchro1 neither does the second video make any statement, claim or reference to the earth's magnetic field having any effect on his demonstration.

Sure, if he told you so I am sure you would repeat without question that Akula also genetically engineered replicant assistants to also help him assemble his test apparatus as a fact.  You have no evidence that Akula fabricated any ferrite pieces much less that they have any special properties.

Maybe you should brush up on what it takes to polarize and E/M field and why that might matter in an RF experiment.  Here is a clue for you:  When testing equipment for emissions, the equipment is placed on a table that is rotated through 360 degrees yaw and the receiving antenna is oriented in separate test runs horizontally and vertically.  The antenna is further situated at different heights with respect to the equipment being tested. 
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2015, 03:01:16 AM
Synchro1 neither does the second video make any statement, claim or reference to the earth's magnetic field having any effect on his demonstration.

Sure, if he told you so I am sure you would repeat without question that Akula also genetically engineered replicant assistants to also help him assemble his test apparatus as a fact.  You have no evidence that Akula fabricated any ferrite pieces much less that they have any special properties.

Maybe you should brush up on what it takes to polarize and E/M field and why that might matter in an RF experiment.  Here is a clue for you:  When testing equipment for emissions, the equipment is placed on a table that is rotated through 360 degrees yaw and the receiving antenna is oriented in separate test runs horizontally and vertically.  The antenna is further situated at different heights with respect to the equipment being tested.

@MarkE,

What purpose do you think the paper with the directional N S E W co-ordinates under the coil serves? Dr. Stiffler hosted a 75 page thread on Energetic Forum you obviously never looked at either. Look at the 1st video in the series and see if you can understand what he's up to!
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 10, 2015, 03:04:48 AM
@MarkE,

What purpose do you think the paper with the directional N S E W co-ordinates under the coil serves?
It put the thrill of magic into your heart.  Otherwise, for purposes of the demonstration it is just two orthogonal lines.  The demonstration did not show any change in behavior by altering the orientation with respect to those lines.  It did not show any correlation between those lines and the local magnetic field.  The demonstrator made no claims for any behavior that supposedly arose due to orientation with respect to those lines.  It seems that you weren't paying the kind of attention that you tell others to pay.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2015, 03:07:43 AM
It put the thrill of magic into your heart.  Otherwise, for purposes of the demonstration it is just two orthogonal lines.  The demonstration did not show any change in behavior by altering the orientation with respect to those lines.  It did not show any correlation between those lines and the local magnetic field.  The demonstrator made no claims for any behavior that supposedly arose due to orientation with respect to those lines.  It seems that you weren't paying the kind of attention that you tell others to pay.

@MarkE,

You're a Nincompoop!
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: memoryman on March 10, 2015, 03:16:37 AM
synchro1, you are really outdoing yourself in spurious remarks; do you have any REAL arguments?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2015, 03:34:25 AM
synchro1, you are really outdoing yourself in spurious remarks; do you have any REAL arguments?

@Memoryman,

You guys really take the cake! What the hell have you been doing over the past five years that you need to catch up so fast you're suffering from fits of convulsions? Slow down and sleep on it. This is a "Quantum Leap" transition for you "Rip Van Winkles"! There's more to Akula than trick batteries! Take a rest. I'll try and help more after you recover from "Future Shock". "Spatial Resonance" and "Lattice emission" are the keys to understanding Akula's marvelous generator.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 10, 2015, 03:39:38 AM
So far you have only embarrassed yourself by claiming that the two videos you linked had content that they did not have.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2015, 03:50:55 AM
So far you have only embarrassed yourself by claiming that the two videos you linked had content that they did not have.

@MarkE,

Don't you feel a Little foolish hiding from Dr. Stiffler's North South coil alignment diagram, huh? Go to bed and sleep on it. Wake up refreshed and review it again.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: memoryman on March 10, 2015, 03:56:02 AM
Does your response apply to Wasif, Yildiz, JPRohner as well? (just to name a few) Oh. let's not forget JDS, Save The World, and... the list is endless.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2015, 04:01:13 AM
Does your response apply to Wasif, Yildiz, JPRohner as well? (just to name a few) Oh. let's not forget JDS, Save The World, and... the list is endless.

@Memoryman,

"Spatial Resonant Frequency" is the topic limit, not all the "Tea in China". MarkE wants me to expain to him why Dr. Stiffler didn't rotate the coil 360 degrees for him, and fish for different or same frequencies on video. He's probably just lazy. You can believe he tried it enough to notice a stark difference to the selected alignment.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 10, 2015, 04:12:44 AM
@MarkE,

Don't you feel a Little foolish hiding from Dr. Stiffler's North South coil alignment diagram, huh? Go to bed and sleep on it. Wake up refreshed and review it again.
Synchro1, kindly do me a favor and point to where in either of those videos Dr. Stiffler made any statement about or demonstrated any behavior that would change if he changed the orientation of the coil.  Kindly point to anywhere in either video where he showed that his lines were aligned with the local magnetic field. 
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 10, 2015, 04:15:25 AM
@Memoryman,

"Spatial Resonant Frequency" is the topic limit, not all the "Tea in China". MarkE wants me to expain to him why Dr. Stiffler didn't rotate the coil 360 degrees for him, and fish for different or same frequencies on video. He's probably just lazy. You can believe he tried it enough to notice a stark difference to the selected alignment.
I asked for no such thing.  I asked you to show where in the video Dr. Stiffler established:  1) Where rotation alignment in the X-Y plane made a difference in the observed behavior, and 2) That his compass lines actually aligned to the local magnetic field.  I am still waiting for you to show those things.  Will you please do so now?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2015, 04:20:21 AM
I asked for no such thing.  I asked you to show where in the video Dr. Stiffler established:  1) Where rotation alignment in the X-Y plane made a difference in the observed behavior, and 2) That his compass lines actually aligned to the local magnetic field.  I am still waiting for you to show those things.  Will you please do so now?

@MarkE,

Dig for it.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 10, 2015, 05:51:59 AM
@MarkE,

Dig for it.
Dude, it's your claim that is in tatters.  Find some evidence to support it, or wave goodbye as it swirls out to the sewer.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: a.king21 on March 10, 2015, 06:22:07 AM
THere's a very simple way to replicate Akula's half watt system. Use a low grade radioactive material for the core. Maybe the extract from a smoke detector.
That's why I'm sceptical on THIS occasion.
Akula has produced 100s of watts in other demos.
 How come we're now down to half a watt?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 10, 2015, 06:44:46 AM
THere's a very simple way to replicate Akula's half watt system. Use a low grade radioactive material for the core. Maybe the extract from a smoke detector.
That's why I'm sceptical on THIS occasion.
Akula has produced 100s of watts in other demos.
 How come we're now down to half a watt?
You aren't going to get even a tiny fraction of a Watt from the ~0.3ug Americium oxide in a typical smoke detector.  The emission rate is about 1 microCurie.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2015, 09:33:33 AM
Dude, it's your claim that is in tatters.  Find some evidence to support it, or wave goodbye as it swirls out to the sewer.

@MarkE,

I'm not your research librarian! Get off your dead ass for a change and stop acting like royalty.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Hoppy on March 10, 2015, 11:19:57 AM

It also depends on what sort of business
connections and savvy Akula's partners have in drawing attention to what they have.   
All the best...

Yes and Arthur Trankle is a business man with some interesting background and connections.  ;)

Lets just wait and see if Akula does indeed have anything worth drawing attention to.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 10, 2015, 11:57:55 AM
@MarkE,

I'm not your research librarian! Get off your dead ass for a change and stop acting like royalty.
LOL, it is up to you to present evidence that backs your claims.  You have already discredited yourself by making the false claim that those two linked videos contained evidence of your claims, when neither did.  It is not up to me or anyone else to go searching for evidence that may or may not exist that might help your claims.  Let me know if you ever come up with any.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Hoppy on March 10, 2015, 04:07:23 PM
THere's a very simple way to replicate Akula's half watt system. Use a low grade radioactive material for the core. Maybe the extract from a smoke detector.
That's why I'm sceptical on THIS occasion.
Akula has produced 100s of watts in other demos.
 How come we're now down to half a watt?

For educational purposes: http://oridnepr.pp.ua/video.php?v=hoqF3gjLIyI&t=EEVblog
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 10, 2015, 07:04:24 PM
For educational purposes: ...

Hi Hoppy, Aside from the fact that video has no relevance to this thread whatsoever,
that site that you link is plastered with x rated advertisements. Everything ok today mate? ;)
Akula's circuit is claimed to be self running, so measurement error or miscalculations should not be a factor with his circuit.
It either works as claimed or it doesn't. :)

All the best...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Hoppy on March 10, 2015, 07:52:51 PM
Hi Hoppy, Aside from the fact that video has no relevance to this thread whatsoever,
that site that you link is plastered with x rated advertisements. Everything ok today mate? ;)
Akula's circuit is claimed to be self running, so measurement error or miscalculations should not be a factor with his circuit.
It either works as claimed or it doesn't. :)

All the best...

Oh, I think it does! Measurements are not a factor that we can judge the performance of his device from because there are none supplied.  :( However, given that its almost certainly has a conventional power supply, I agree that measurement errors need not be a factor with this circuit. Now, we really must stop going in circles.

X rated ads  :o You were only supposed to look at the educational video.  ;)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2015, 08:57:24 PM
@MarkE,

Dr. Stiffler has one end of his solenoid coil connected to an "Earth Ground". The subtle perturbations from the "Earth Ground" are the sole source of the self oscillation of the coil, determining it's "Spatial Resonant Frequency". Earth's magnetic field flux is not stationary, but oscillatory.

"We’re interested in the time rate of change of this flux, and let’s say we have a circle with a diameter of 1 meter. The rate of change of the flux is thus (1 nanotesla/second)*(3.14 meters^2). Which is 3.14×10^-9 volts. Three one-billionths of a volt per square meter of flux-collecting Surface".

The coil oscillation is driven by the "Earth's magnetic field". The orientation of the coil axis in relation to the field effects the resonating frequency. Dr. Stiffler points out in his videos that even so much as a tiny piece of metal in adjacency to the coil is enough to influence the "Earth Ground" oscillating frequency. Why do you have trouble understanding that the coil simply acts as a magnetometer when attached to an "Earth Ground" and the sensitive measuring instruments?

The other important feature is that the coil and partners "Light LED bulbs" with no hidden batteries!
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 10, 2015, 10:24:17 PM
@MarkE,

Dr. Stiffler has one end of his solenoid coil connected to an "Earth Ground". The subtle perturbations from the "Earth Ground" are the sole source of the self oscillation of the coil, determining it's "Spatial Resonant Frequency". Earth's magnetic field flux is not stationary, but oscillatory.
And just where do you think either video established that claim?
Quote

"We’re interested in the time rate of change of this flux, and let’s say we have a circle with a diameter of 1 meter. The rate of change of the flux is thus (1 nanotesla/second)*(3.14 meters^2). Which is 3.14×10^-9 volts. Three one-billionths of a volt per square meter of flux-collecting Surface".
Where is that quote coming from?  The B on the earth's surface is only 25-50nT.  1nT/s variation would amount to a 2% - 4% /s variation.  That is a large amount that would easily be visible on an ordinary compass.
Quote

The coil oscillation is driven by the "Earth's magnetic field". The orientation of the coil axis in relation to the field effects the resonating frequency.
That is something that you claim was evidenced in the videos but you have failed to point to where they supposedly do that.  The videos do not change the orientation of the coil.
Quote
Dr. Stiffler points out in his videos that even so much as a tiny piece of metal in adjacency to the coil is enough to influence the "Earth Ground" oscillating frequency.
Placing metal in proximity to a coil changes the local capacitance and therefore impacts the simple lumped circuit model.  No "earth ground oscillating frequency" explanation is required.
Quote
Why do you have trouble understanding that the coil simply acts as a magnetometer when attached to an "Earth Ground" and the sensitive measuring instruments?
No evidence has been presented of such a behavior.
Quote

The other important feature is that the coil and partners "Light LED bulbs" with no hidden batteries!
A narrow band radio receiver connected to an antenna is supposed to deliver power to a load.  Why do you think that is exceptional?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2015, 11:46:26 PM
@MarkE,

Quote from you:

"A narrow band radio receiver connected to an antenna is supposed to deliver power to a load.  Why do you think that is exceptional"?

Here's a quote from Dr. Stiffler:

"Using just self resonance in three properly chosen and spaced coils coupled to earth will allow a condition where LED(s) can be driven".

                      "Self Resonance Coupled to Earth" is not "Radio Waves" MarkE! Now stop causing trouble!

Here's a video of Dr. Stiffler powering 8 white LEDS with nothing but an "Earth Ground", running inside a Faraday Shield:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAZ-eb6EDiA

We can see "Akula's Eternal Lantern 4 Unit" illuminating 8 blue LEDS as well on the Home Page right now with no input, so what's the big deal?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 11, 2015, 12:36:39 AM
@MarkE,

Quote from you:

"A narrow band radio receiver connected to an antenna is supposed to deliver power to a load.  Why do you think that is exceptional"?

Here's a quote from Dr. Stiffler:

"Using just self resonance in three properly chosen and spaced coils coupled to earth will allow a condition where LED(s) can be driven".

                      "Self Resonance Coupled to Earth" is not "Radio Waves" MarkE! Now stop causing trouble!
Resonance is a passive property.  There must always be an energy source to excite the resonance.  A resonant network is very good at storing energy imparted by the excitation source.  So, assuming that your quote is accurate:  It is incomplete because it does not identify the supposed energy source.
Quote


Here's a video of Dr. Stiffler powering 8 white LEDS with nothing but an "Earth Ground", running inside a Faraday Shield:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAZ-eb6EDiA
Well no his device was on top of an aluminum cooking tray.  That is not a Faraday shield.  And no, I don't see anything even interesting there.  At any moment there is lots of "electro-smog" E/M radiation around and about from all the electronic devices and even just plain power wiring in a home.  Capacitive sense devices capitalize on that to detect that the operator is touching them.  A long lead that eventually goes to the earth makes for a long antenna.
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We can see "Akula's Eternal Lantern 4 Unit" illuminating 8 blue LEDS as well on the Home Page right now with no input, so what's the big deal?
We can see his demonstration dimly lighting those 8 blue LEDs.  There is no measure of power into the LEDs, no measure of power at other points in the circuit, and no measure of the ambient RF.  So, indeed:  What's the big deal?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 11, 2015, 03:02:11 AM
@MarkE,

The problem with your "Electronic Smog" theory is that you have it entirely contained under pressure inside your head.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 11, 2015, 03:27:38 AM
@MarkE,

The problem with your "Electronic Smog" theory is that you have it entirely contained under pressure inside your head.
LOL, do you think ad hom attacks substitute for reliable data?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: memoryman on March 11, 2015, 03:43:12 AM
"Electronic Smog" is not a theory, unlike the stuff you have been promoting.
Crystal radios work on them.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 11, 2015, 04:10:43 AM
"Electronic Smog" is not a theory, unlike the stuff you have been promoting.
Crystal radios work on them.

How can you pretend to know such things as the level of "electro-smog" in Dr. Stiffler's laboratory when he was the one there doing the testing not you?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 11, 2015, 04:20:50 AM
How can you pretend to know such things as the level of "electro-smog" in Dr. Stiffler's laboratory when he was the one there doing the testing not you?
Dr. Stiffler failed to establish the levels in his demonstrations, therefore pretty much invalidating them.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 11, 2015, 04:33:07 AM
Dr. Stiffler failed to establish the levels in his demonstrations, therefore pretty much invalidating them.

@MarkE,

You just failed to watch enough of his videos. You impress me as an impudent punk. You pretend Dr. Stiffler is that stupid.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 11, 2015, 05:12:39 AM
@MarkE,

You just failed to watch enough of his videos. You impress me as an impudent punk. You pretend Dr. Stiffler is that stupid.
Synchro1, once again it is not up to me or anyone else to go searching for evidence that might support your claims.  You posted links to two videos and said that they support what you claim when they do nothing of the kind.  If you want your claims to carry weight, then come up with evidence that supports them.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 11, 2015, 05:35:23 AM
Synchro1, once again it is not up to me or anyone else to go searching for evidence that might support your claims.  You posted links to two videos and said that they support what you claim when they do nothing of the kind.  If you want your claims to carry weight, then come up with evidence that supports them.

@MarkE,

You have no native interest in Dr. Stiffler's work because you strive solely to discredit him. Some people delve into his videos with relish. You on the other hand are adverse to the learning. You keep your blindfold tied tight. You are a very poor student. I refuse to keep placing material in your lap when you act like a spoiled a child who just tosses it to one side. I would have viewed all his videos voluntarily as I have instead of being asked to view them one by one squintingly. Your not worth the effort. You're just a chronic cynic addicted to ridicule with no learning ability. Find someone else to act like a "Patsy" for you!
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 11, 2015, 06:12:05 AM
@MarkE,

You have no native interest in Dr. Stiffler's work because you strive solely to discredit him. Some people delve into his videos with relish. You on the other hand are adverse to the learning. You keep your blindfold tied tight. You are a very poor student. I refuse to keep placing material in your lap when you act like a spoiled a child who just tosses it to one side. I would have viewed all his videos voluntarily as I have instead of being asked to view them one by one squintingly. Your not worth the effort. You're just a chronic cynic addicted to ridicule with no learning ability. Find someone else to act like a "Patsy" for you!
Dude:  Again, it is up to you to present evidence for your claims.  If you have videos that support your claims, then barring them each being three hours long, I am happy to look.  It's not my fault that you posted links to videos that fail to support your claims.  It is absurd that you claim you are teaching something when your evidence doesn't support your claims.  If you don't wish to support your claims, or are unable to support your claims you should not be surprised that others reject them.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 11, 2015, 03:53:58 PM
Hi synchro1. I have watched several of Dr. Stiffler's videos. While his stuff is interesting, I didn't see
anything that was really convincing me that something out of the ordinary was necessarily going on. If you think
that Dr. Stiffler's stuff is similar to what Akula is showing, then it is better to build something similar and do
your own experiments and see for yourself how it works. Trying to convince others of things like this based on
video demonstrations will never likely get you anywhere. Best is to do your own experiments and see for yourself
how things are working.

Does Dr. Stiffler have a video where he shows that physically rotating a coil to a different direction in relation to
north-south, east-west changes the performance of the coil? Akula also mentioned using the Earth's magnetic field,
but when they rotate his circuit board around it doesn't seem to affect performance of his circuit. If it is really using
the Earth's magnetic field, I would be inclined to think that changing the circuit board's orientation would have an
effect on performance, but there could possibly be more to it than that. I am more inclined to think that if Akula's
circuit really is self running, that it has more to do with the ferrite composition and coil arrangements and/or the way
he is driving the coils, or something along those lines, than anything else. I continue to experiment... ;)
All the best...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 11, 2015, 05:05:53 PM
Dude:  Again, it is up to you to present evidence for your claims.  If you have videos that support your claims, then barring them each being three hours long, I am happy to look.  It's not my fault that you posted links to videos that fail to support your claims.  It is absurd that you claim you are teaching something when your evidence doesn't support your claims.  If you don't wish to support your claims, or are unable to support your claims you should not be surprised that others reject them.

@MarkE,

You're the one with the false claim you can't support, that Dr. Stiffler powers his LEDS with "Electro-Smog" not ground excited coil resonance.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 11, 2015, 05:17:45 PM
Hi synchro1. I have watched several of Dr. Stiffler's videos. While his stuff is interesting, I didn't see
anything that was really convincing me that something out of the ordinary was necessarily going on. If you think
that Dr. Stiffler's stuff is similar to what Akula is showing, then it is better to build something similar and do
your own experiments and see for yourself how it works. Trying to convince others of things like this based on
video demonstrations will never likely get you anywhere. Best is to do your own experiments and see for yourself
how things are working.

Does Dr. Stiffler have a video where he shows that physically rotating a coil to a different direction in relation to
north-south, east-west changes the performance of the coil? Akula also mentioned using the Earth's magnetic field,
but when they rotate his circuit board around it doesn't seem to affect performance of his circuit. If it is really using
the Earth's magnetic field, I would be inclined to think that changing the circuit board's orientation would have an
effect on performance, but there could possibly be more to it than that. I am more inclined to think that if Akula's
circuit really is self running, that it has more to do with the ferrite composition and coil arrangements and/or the way
he is driving the coils, or something along those lines, than anything else. I continue to experiment... ;)
All the best...

@Void,

Dr. Stiffler indicates clearly the importance of orienting the coils the same way directionally for "Spatial Resonance Tuning". The coil's resonant frequency changes when a ground is attached to the North End. MarkE speculates that the ground wire is acting as an RF antenna. I experimented with Joe Tate's " Ambient Power Module" and can assure you, and every one else, that MarkE is causing nothing but trouble. Akula's ferrite pot acts as a "Virtual Ground". His circuit should work best facing one way.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: memoryman on March 11, 2015, 05:37:38 PM
synchro1, stick to facts pleasenstead of your personal feelings:  "can assure you, and every one else, that MarkE is causing nothing but trouble". The only 'trouble' Mark and I cause is asking for answers to pointed questions; sadly these answers are never provided.
Electrosmog is real; any wire will pick this up to some extend and have a measurable signal; that's how crystal radios work (I built one in the 1950s). If the 'Electrosmog' is locally strong enough, you can light leds with it.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Void on March 11, 2015, 05:56:21 PM
Hi synchro1. Why worry about what other people think or say? What various people say and think is often neither
here nor there in regards to what is true and what is not true. Something someone thinks or says may be true, 
or it may not be true. For this reason, in regards to these sort of devices, I never worry too much about what other people
think or say. I just do my own experiments and try to find out for myself what is true and what is not true, and what works
and what does not work. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't hurt to discuss ideas and theory and experimental results with others to
bounce ideas around and try to look for things you may have overlooked or misunderstood, or where you might have made an
error somewhere or whatever, but I always place my trust in actual experimental results over anything anyone else might say
or think. People have all different ideas and viewpoints, but experimental results that you can directly observe and prove to yourself
are what really counts. ;) You can argue with others until the cows come home in regards to these sort of devices, but it won't
likely get you anywhere.
All the best...

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 11, 2015, 06:29:40 PM
synchro1, stick to facts pleasenstead of your personal feelings:  "can assure you, and every one else, that MarkE is causing nothing but trouble". The only 'trouble' Mark and I cause is asking for answers to pointed questions; sadly these answers are never provided.
Electrosmog is real; any wire will pick this up to some extend and have a measurable signal; that's how crystal radios work (I built one in the 1950s). If the 'Electrosmog' is locally strong enough, you can light leds with it.

@Memoryman,

Not from inside a Faraday shield!
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: memoryman on March 11, 2015, 06:41:25 PM
that maybe true, but no Faraday cage is visible anywhere; an aluminum tray is NOT a Faraday cage.
Do you actually know what a Faraday cage is?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 11, 2015, 06:58:22 PM
that maybe true, but no Faraday cage is visible anywhere; an aluminum tray is NOT a Faraday cage.
Do you actually know what a Faraday cage is?

@Memoryman,

You used the "Cage" Word. Now look; Stop trying to "Chump" Dr. Stiffler out off your "Crystel Set" crayon board. Both you and MarkE are just a couple of Pea Brains compared to Dr. Stiffler.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 11, 2015, 08:04:51 PM
@MarkE,

You're the one with the false claim you can't support, that Dr. Stiffler powers his LEDS with "Electro-Smog" not ground excited coil resonance.
It is quite the opposite Synchro1.  You assert that somethng extraordinary is being demonstrated, when there are quite ordinary explanations that the demonstrations fail to rule out.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 11, 2015, 08:17:18 PM
@Void,

Dr. Stiffler indicates clearly the importance of orienting the coils the same way directionally for "Spatial Resonance Tuning". The coil's resonant frequency changes when a ground is attached to the North End. MarkE speculates that the ground wire is acting as an RF antenna. I experimented with Joe Tate's " Ambient Power Module" and can assure you, and every one else, that MarkE is causing nothing but trouble. Akula's ferrite pot acts as a "Virtual Ground". His circuit should work best facing one way.
Any length of wire is an RF antenna.  "Ground" is a convention that represents the reference point for measuring voltage.  In the presence of low frequency and moderate currents, there is very little potential variation over moderate distances and it becomes practical to call circuit board traces and/or planes tied together:  "ground".  As either signal frequency or currents rise, meaningful voltage drops occur across the resistance and inductive reactance of the chunks of metal that connect things together and the notion of a common potential that we can call "ground" evaporates. 

Which brings us to your assertion that Akula uses a ferrite to create a "Virtual Ground".  What properties do you believe this "Virtual Ground" possesses?  A coil on a ferrite can have a very high inductance, meaning that substantial voltage can develop / be required across the coil for even low frequency currents.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 11, 2015, 08:19:28 PM
@Memoryman,

Not from inside a Faraday shield!
An open basting tray is not an effective Faraday shield.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 11, 2015, 09:26:59 PM
An open basting tray is not an effective Faraday shield.

@MarkE,

It's enough just to show that the LEDS don't dim down from it.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 11, 2015, 10:18:10 PM
@MarkE,

It's enough just to show that the LEDS don't dim down from it.
Are you trying to say that if one places a circuit in something that is not a Faraday cage that we should be amazed that the circuit still acts like RF energy impinges on it, just because:  well ... RF energy still impinges on the circuit?

Do you know how a Faraday cage works?  It is our old friends Faraday induction and Lenz's Law at work again.  A changing magnetic field impinges on a conducting surface inducing currents in that surface that create an opposing magnetic field:  an image.  The better the conductor, the more exact the image is and the closer the sum of the image and the impinging field is to zero.  You might note that the top of the basting pan seen in the video is open.  there is no metal there to circulate current and so create an image to cancel the impinging field.  Placing a big conductive plate beneath a vertical antenna is common method of constructing an efficient 1/4 wave dipole.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 11, 2015, 10:27:01 PM
Are you trying to say that if one places a circuit in something that is not a Faraday cage that we should be amazed that the circuit still acts like RF energy impinges on it, just because:  well ... RF energy still impinges on the circuit?

Do you know how a Faraday cage works?  It is our old friends Faraday induction and Lenz's Law at work again.  A changing magnetic field impinges on a conducting surface inducing currents in that surface that create an opposing magnetic field:  an image.  The better the conductor, the more exact the image is and the closer the sum of the image and the impinging field is to zero.  You might note that the top of the basting pan seen in the video is open.  there is no metal there to circulate current and so create an image to cancel the impinging field.  Placing a big conductive plate beneath a vertical antenna is common method of constructing an efficient 1/4 wave dipole.

@MarkE,

Golly, you sure sound smart.



Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 11, 2015, 10:38:40 PM
It doesn't matter whether you think I know what I am talking about or not.  What matters are facts that you can verify.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 12, 2015, 12:15:54 AM
It doesn't matter whether you think I know what I am talking about or not.  What matters are facts that you can verify.

"MarkE,

Impinging theory!
 
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 12, 2015, 12:52:07 AM
When JonnyDavro was making his replications of the Slayer exciter, he was using an open basting pan for his receiving antenna, and another one for his virtual ground.  He was lighting leds from the basting pan antenna.

Bill

A quick search found a Lidmotor video using 2 basting pans in a replication of one of JonnyDavro's experiments.  Here Lidmotor is lighting 2 large leds from energy received by one of the basting pans.  Looks like a good antenna to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rzw4FRovnI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rzw4FRovnI)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 12, 2015, 01:00:16 AM
When JonnyDavro was making his replications of the Slayer exciter, he was using an open basting pan for his receiving antenna, and another one for his virtual ground.  He was lighting leds from the basting pan antenna.

Bill

A quick search found a Lidmotor video using 2 basting pans in a replication of one of JonnyDavro's experiments.  Here Lidmotor is lighting 2 large leds from energy received by one of the basting pans.  Looks like a good antenna to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rzw4FRovnI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rzw4FRovnI)

@Pirate88179,

The only thing that would beat an aluminum pan as an antenna would be a Faraday cage.


Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: TinselKoala on March 12, 2015, 01:07:47 AM
Here's the Description from Stiffler's video (the one with COMMENTS DISABLED that was linked up above, posted to YT 4 years ago):

Quote
This was made 12/09/2007 and continues today with No! Valid Replications, only verbal feedback

No valid replications. Why not? I know why. Don't you?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 12, 2015, 02:33:56 AM
Here's the Description from Stiffler's video (the one with COMMENTS DISABLED that was linked up above, posted to YT 4 years ago):

No valid replications. Why not? I know why. Don't you?

@Tinsekoala,

K4zep, "World's Smallest Lab", attempted a replication, but if you review his videos you'll notice that he mentions his 3 BMW coils have matching inductance. Dr. Stiffler points out that the 3 coils have to be tuned to the same "Spatial Resonant Frequency" which involves variations in inductance. This is largely the reason Ben met with mixed results. Overall successful Stiffler replications number in the hundreds on YouTube.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 12, 2015, 02:34:10 AM
@Pirate88179,

The only thing that would beat an aluminum pan as an antenna would be a Faraday cage.
Statements like that suggest that you do not understand how antennae or Faraday cages work.  A Faraday cage creates an image field that mirrors the impinging field.  The sum of the image and the impinging fields approaches zero.  In order to be effective it must create an image for fields impinging from any direction.  It must therefore completely surround what it is intended to shield. 
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 12, 2015, 02:37:13 AM
Statements like that suggest that you do not understand how antennae or Faraday cages work.  A Faraday cage creates an image field that mirrors the impinging field.  The sum of the image and the impinging fields approaches zero.  In order to be effective it must create an image for fields impinging from any direction.  It must therefore completely surround what it is intended to shield.

Which is why those basting pans worked for both Lidmotor, and Dr. Stiffler.

Bill
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 12, 2015, 02:48:05 AM
Statements like that suggest that you do not understand how antennae or Faraday cages work.  A Faraday cage creates an image field that mirrors the impinging field.  The sum of the image and the impinging fields approaches zero.  In order to be effective it must create an image for fields impinging from any direction.  It must therefore completely surround what it is intended to shield.

@MarkE,

You're just full of shit:

"Building a Faraday cage to protect from EMP is easy. ... Otherwise the cage can work as an antenna to concentrate an EMP and bridge it".
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 12, 2015, 02:54:41 AM
@MarkE,

You're just full of shit:

"Building a Faraday cage to protect from EMP is easy. ... Otherwise the cage can work as an antenna to concentrate an EMP and bridge it".
Actually, building a Faraday cage that is good enough to protect effectively against an EMP is a challenging task.  I can guess what you redacted from that quote: Mention that if the cage is not built well enough then the cage can end up becoming a receiving antenna. Why don't you cite the source?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 12, 2015, 03:08:06 AM
Actually, building a Faraday cage that is good enough to protect effectively against an EMP is a challenging task.  I can guess what you redacted from that quote: Mention that if the cage is not built well enough then the cage can end up becoming a receiving antenna. Why don't you cite the source?

@MarkE,

The interior ítem has to be completely insulated from the cage to protect against the EMP. Connecting the item to the cage turns the cage into an antenna, just like connecting the item to the aluminum tray.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: memoryman on March 12, 2015, 03:13:11 AM
synchro1, did you ever study electronics or physics? Did you complete courses in these subjects? Are you gainfully employed in electronics?
I answer yes to all these questions for myself (>50 years).
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 12, 2015, 03:15:36 AM
synchro1, did you ever study electronics or physics? Did you complete courses in these subjects? Are you gainfully employed in electronics?
I answer yes to all these questions for myself (>50 years).

@Memoryman,

I led the "Blue Angels".
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 12, 2015, 04:00:18 AM
@TinselKoala,

Dr. Stiffler shows that the 2nd coil's "Spatial Resonant Frequency" inductance ratio is effcted by the 1st coil while in close parallel adjacency with the other, and this requires tailoring the inductance by removing wire turns from the 2nd untill the "Frequency" matches the 1st, and again with the third along side the other two. We end up wih 3 different coil inductances. K4zep tried to replicate Dr. Stifflers experiment with 3 coils of "Matched Inductance", and blew it.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 12, 2015, 04:03:24 AM
@MarkE,

The interior ítem has to be completely insulated from the cage to protect against the EMP. Connecting the item to the cage turns the cage into an antenna, just like connecting the item to the aluminum tray.
Oh, do tell more.  So, it is your contention that the amount of energy that a circuit board exchanges with the outside world is best minimized if no part of the circuit connects to the a shielding metal enclosure?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 12, 2015, 06:58:51 AM
Oh, do tell more.  So, it is your contention that the amount of energy that a circuit board exchanges with the outside world is best minimized if no part of the circuit connects to the a shielding metal enclosure?

@MarkE,

Give up!
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 12, 2015, 07:51:03 AM
@MarkE,

Give up!
Synchro1 go ahead and explain this idea of yours.  Then maybe you can explain why it is that products are designed exactly opposite of your idea. 
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: forest on March 12, 2015, 08:11:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMct99DiZak
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 12, 2015, 08:58:26 AM
That is a very good video that demonstrates a several very good points:

1) A Faraday cage attenuates, it does not completely block RF energy transfer between the input and the output.
2) Sealing off openings makes a big difference in shielding effectiveness.
3) Shielding effectiveness is multiplicative.

Something that he did not mention is that the effectiveness of a given layer of shielding is depends on:  How conductive the shield material is, how thick the shielding material is, and what frequency range of the signals one is trying to block.  A couple of mils of aluminum blocks effectively down to around 2MHz below which the image cancellation drops off rapidly.  The same thickness of copper is effective to much lower frequencies due to the higher conductivity of copper.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: forest on March 12, 2015, 05:35:56 PM
MarkE


What would you propose to block EMI from 8kW radio transmitter put inside a box ? :-\




I heard Richard Willis has such problems with EMI radiation.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 12, 2015, 07:02:52 PM
@MarkE,

The interior ítem has to be completely insulated from the cage to protect against the EMP. Connecting the item to the cage turns the cage into an antenna, just like connecting the item to the aluminum tray.

@MarkE,

A transistor radio with a retractable aluminum antenna would be protected while completely isolated from the cage conductor. Extending the radio antenna enough to make contact with the cage conductor would turn the cage into an antenna! Got it?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 12, 2015, 08:40:05 PM
MarkE


What would you propose to block EMI from 8kW radio transmitter put inside a box ? :-\




I heard Richard Willis has such problems with EMI radiation.
I heard that Richard Willis' dropped phone numbers months ago, and now his web site registry has expired.
The shielding methods that will be most effective depends on whether wires have to come out of the box or not.  If they do, and they are long, then they are likely the biggest source of EMI.

In the case that no wires come out of the box:  An ordinary steel box with EMI gasket material around all seams, where the EMI gasket material makes gas tight contact with the box material (preferably with a tin or other conductive plating) will make the box pretty EMI tight. 

In the case that wires come out of the box, then in addition to the box above, the wires need to pass through a suitable EMI filter that is bonded to the box.  There are many off the shelf filters available.  The filter design depends on:  The voltage and currents that must be supported, the frequency of the current that must be passed, and the amount of noise that is on the lines unfiltered.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 12, 2015, 09:01:43 PM
@MarkE,

A transistor radio with a retractable aluminum antenna would be protected while completely isolated from the cage conductor. Extending the radio antenna enough to make contact with the cage conductor would turn the cage into an antenna! Got it?
An antenna works by having energy impinge on it that gets guided to a sensing circuit.  The energy travels along the surface and for MHz and up signals penetrates only a tiny bit into the surface of the metal.  The better the conductor, the less the penetration at any given frequency.  Deeper inside the metal there is virtually no net energy because the impinging field is virtually completely canceled by the image current of the surrounding metal. 

If you have a strong enough signal, the finite resistance and inductance of the metal structure will develop detectable voltage drops.  Those voltage drops conduct current through capacitance to whatever circuit is inside the box.  That capacitance reacts with the inductance of the box and circuit board structures establishing resonances.  EMC engineers push those resonant frequencies up by making multiple connections to the metal structure at spacings that are as small as possible and/or insert energy absorbing materials like carbon loaded foam to damp the resonances.  In extreme situations more than one level of box is used.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: forest on March 12, 2015, 09:14:39 PM
MarkE


The problem is when device has output wires carrying high frequency currents of many amps.A shield like copper tube around wire ?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 12, 2015, 10:10:33 PM
MarkE


The problem is when device has output wires carrying high frequency currents of many amps.A shield like copper tube around wire ?
If the wires are contained end to end in sealed metal enclosures then there will be very little radiation.  If the shielding were superconducting there would be no radiation.  In effect what you have is one big sealed Faraday Cage.  Except for rigid coax, the cable shielding is never perfect, and the bond to the metal enclosure is almost never solid.  That means that an antenna or antennae exist, and then the task is to decouple the internal noise from those antennae.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 12, 2015, 10:38:34 PM
@MarkE,

You're a nauseating and obnoxious fraud. Get a life!
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 12, 2015, 10:49:21 PM
MarkE


The problem is when device has output wires carrying high frequency currents of many amps.A shield like copper tube around wire ?
Forest, if you have a closed volume of metal, then currents flow on the inside surface of that metal.  Those currents make a magnetic image that is opposite and very nearly equal to the field that induced them.  So if you have a voltage generator sealed up in a metal box where the box itself is one of the conductors and a wire inside of the box is another of the conductors to a load resistor that also connects to the metal box, then what happens is that metal box creates an image (nearly) identical to the field from the wire.  So at that interior box boundary the two fields cancel and what gets outside is zero.  In reality the cancellation isn't quite perfect because of the finite resistivity of the box material.  That means that the exterior surface of the metal carries virtually no net high frequency current.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 12, 2015, 10:49:54 PM
@MarkE,

You're a nauseating and obnoxious fraud. Get a life!
Is that your best effort at a reasoned argument?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: synchro1 on March 13, 2015, 01:48:10 AM
Is that your best effort at a reasoned argument?

@MarkE,

Start a new thread. The current thread topic here is "The Led Generator"! You're running a "Faraday Cage" snout rut through it.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: forest on March 13, 2015, 09:55:34 AM
Forest, if you have a closed volume of metal, then currents flow on the inside surface of that metal.  Those currents make a magnetic image that is opposite and very nearly equal to the field that induced them.  So if you have a voltage generator sealed up in a metal box where the box itself is one of the conductors and a wire inside of the box is another of the conductors to a load resistor that also connects to the metal box, then what happens is that metal box creates an image (nearly) identical to the field from the wire.  So at that interior box boundary the two fields cancel and what gets outside is zero.  In reality the cancellation isn't quite perfect because of the finite resistivity of the box material.  That means that the exterior surface of the metal carries virtually no net high frequency current.


Device I'm working on is a high frequency few kW power generator with output wires to power resistive heaters inside second chamber.I guess I should enclose those wires in copper tube(s) and connect all chambers together then to ground to eliminate EMI.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 13, 2015, 10:32:06 AM

Device I'm working on is a high frequency few kW power generator with output wires to power resistive heaters inside second chamber.I guess I should enclose those wires in copper tube(s) and connect all chambers together then to ground to eliminate EMI.
You could, but that would be entirely unnecessary overkill.  If you generate DC output to the heaters then ordinary EMI filters can easily attenuate the high frequency noise.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: forest on March 13, 2015, 12:12:38 PM
You could, but that would be entirely unnecessary overkill.  If you generate DC output to the heaters then ordinary EMI filters can easily attenuate the high frequency noise.


Yes, I understand. The negative side is the need of very costly high power high frequency diodes and much more safety precautions I guess in case of heater current  leakage to ground (though heater stainless steel container will be grounded). In fact only the costs of diodes is the main reason and additional circuits to charge big 400VDC capacitor and keep it safe from overvoltage. The output stage of inverter will be 8 separate coils each giving at least 1kW. If I generate rectified DC from AC  will it be enough to supress inductive impedance of such heater elements , without going to filter it with capacitor ?.


MarkE, I'm very greatful that you are here and helping me, thank You!

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 13, 2015, 01:19:35 PM

Yes, I understand. The negative side is the need of very costly high power high frequency diodes and much more safety precautions I guess in case of heater current  leakage to ground (though heater stainless steel container will be grounded). In fact only the costs of diodes is the main reason and additional circuits to charge big 400VDC capacitor and keep it safe from overvoltage. The output stage of inverter will be 8 separate coils each giving at least 1kW. If I generate rectified DC from AC  will it be enough to supress inductive impedance of such heater elements , without going to filter it with capacitor ?.


MarkE, I'm very greatful that you are here and helping me, thank You!
Well, I think under the circumstances, the safest route for you is to use a traditional heater controller.  You can purchase one or more 20A solidstate relays and control them all from a relatively inexpensive controller off the shelf or that you can design and build.  That will spare you any energy storage components save for the small power supply needed to run the controller.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: kippy on March 26, 2015, 04:26:08 PM
Works the akula 0083 30 watt ?

I have built  this but the coil L2 draws too much current 3 amperes
And the akula don,t work

Please can some help me
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 26, 2015, 06:35:42 PM
Works the akula 0083 30 watt ?

I have built  this but the coil L2 draws too much current 3 amperes
And the akula don,t work

Please can some help me
Akula's devices have been reproduced right down to the waveforms.  Non of the replications have yielded free energy.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: kippy on March 26, 2015, 06:52:16 PM
okay so the akula 30 watt not working  it is fake ?

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MenofFather on March 26, 2015, 07:00:56 PM
okay so the akula 30 watt not working  it is fake ?
Seems not fake. Two gays only replicate this, Ruslan and one gay seems.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: memoryman on March 26, 2015, 07:26:25 PM
Seems not fake. Two gays only replicate this, Ruslan and one gay seems.

Are homophobic or did you mean "guys' instead of 'gays'?
Seems not fake; ever watched a magician performing before your eyes? Seems not fake also...
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 26, 2015, 07:26:39 PM
okay so the akula 30 watt not working  it is fake ?
That's a logical conclusion that fits the available data.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: kippy on March 26, 2015, 07:53:56 PM
I see on youtube  a men works with the akula see link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDA3Io6Vzsg

the man has this working, but see that the flow is very low as the akula is connected to the transformer

to me this is 3 amps too high current and does not work
and the coil L1 does give pulze
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: forest on March 26, 2015, 08:52:41 PM
Well, I think under the circumstances, the safest route for you is to use a traditional heater controller.  You can purchase one or more 20A solidstate relays and control them all from a relatively inexpensive controller off the shelf or that you can design and build.  That will spare you any energy storage components save for the small power supply needed to run the controller.


MarkE


If I use rectified and filtered DC say like 320-340VDC straight to my heater elements how can I protect circuit from shortcircuit to water or leakage current to ground ? Would the odinary 230VAC protection breaker work with DC ? do you know any commercial solution for such protection on DC line (except barebone fuse) ?
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 26, 2015, 09:06:04 PM

MarkE


If I use rectified and filtered DC say like 320-340VDC straight to my heater elements how can I protect circuit from shortcircuit to water or leakage current to ground ? Would the odinary 230VAC protection breaker work with DC ? do you know any commercial solution for such protection on DC line (except barebone fuse) ?
DC arc protection is expensive.  The problem is that as the breaker attempts to open the DC voltage forms an arc across the air gap that then has to be extinguished.  An ordinary AC breaker will not provide good protection.  A DC rated fuse will, such as one of these:  http://ep-us.mersen.com/fileadmin/catalog/Products/Fuses-Fusegear-and-Fuse-Systems/Special-Purpose-Fuses/DC-Fuses/440VDC-Size-14x51-22x58-27x60-GLB-Cylindrical-Fuses/ADV-G-Special-Purpose-Fuses-440VDC-Ferrule-Fuses-14x51-22x58-27x60-Cylindrical-gLB.pdf
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: mscoffman on March 27, 2015, 01:41:46 PM
One way is to use a DC rated contactor and a crowbar safety circuit...Then just switch the circuit off.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: MarkE on March 27, 2015, 04:15:26 PM
That works if you don't mind spending more than $500. on the DC rated contactor.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: eugene900 on May 03, 2015, 03:05:02 PM
replica
not working  :P
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on September 30, 2017, 05:09:11 PM



Ruslan replication


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRVEE_9uTc0


Schematic on matrix-RU (http://matri-x.ru/forum/index.php/topic/1769-%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80-%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0/page__st__360#entry289478)

Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: AlienGrey on October 04, 2017, 03:14:27 PM


Ruslan replication


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRVEE_9uTc0


Schematic on matrix-RU (http://matri-x.ru/forum/index.php/topic/1769-%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80-%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0/page__st__360#entry289478)
Hi has any one actuly built this ? I ask this as the chip it a 74hc14 it's a 5 volt device and it goes bang at 5.5 volts and then eathere gets hot of fuses completely, so at 9v or 12v input it's any ones guess ! 

Hope this helps

AG

PS how many threads on this device have you got going ??

If you want free energy have you ever seen Faraday's homo polar genoratorhttp://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/electric_motor_generator.html

It has a rotary magnet rotating one way and a copper plate rotating the other way you get a very low voltage but huge ampage out or it, look it up.
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: d3x0r on October 04, 2017, 03:28:32 PM
Hi has any one actuly built this ? I ask this as the chip it a 74hc14 it's a 5 volt device and it goes bang at 5.5 volts and then eathere gets hot of fuses completely, so at 9v or 12v input it's any ones guess ! 

Hope this helps

AG

PS how many threads on this device have you got going ??

If you want free energy have you ever seen Faraday's homo polar genoratorhttp://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/electric_motor_generator.html

It has a rotary magnet rotating one way and a copper plate rotating the other way you get a very low voltage but huge ampage out or it, look it up.
Ruslan did mention that he added a 5V regulator...
.. and since the scope shots seemed to show it working at every cycle after the field charged up, seemed that a high Q transistor could suffice. (hence the other thread that's more about converting to a joule thief type driver)
Title: Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
Post by: AlienGrey on October 04, 2017, 04:26:49 PM
Have you tried a HEF OR CD 40106 same sort of hex Schmitt trigger driver but get the B version it will work up to and over the 12 volt but might be unstable as fare as frequency stability is concerned at different voltages.

AG