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Author Topic: Akula eternal lantern 4  (Read 183006 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #135 on: August 05, 2014, 12:02:21 AM »
Yes could be overshot. I think in #64 posting were the Akula scopeshots..

The question is , if these overshots and base bursts only occur at the low supply voltages like 3 volts ??

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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #135 on: August 05, 2014, 12:02:21 AM »

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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #136 on: August 05, 2014, 12:09:14 AM »
From Itsus scopeshots we can see , that this center spikes ocCurs , when the coil charge current is at its maximum and stops charging the coil field. as thid is a change in dI/ dt inside the coil we also get an induction voltage it seems , but it is quite high....

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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #137 on: August 05, 2014, 12:19:50 AM »
In his video, Akula really seems to be stressing that he thinks those exponentially
rising waveforms on the collector are indicating extra energy coming from the ferrite.
That being the case, it then seems important to determine if those waveforms really exist or
if they are just due to some glitch with the scope when set to below 5V/div. I figured an
easy way to determine this would be to put one scope probe (blue) on my Drain showing the
big curved waveforms on the Drain, and the other  scope probe on the secondary winding to
see if those same waveforms are transferring to the secondary. Should be a straightforward test.  ;D
Well, it turns out even this is not free from weirdness. With the yellow probe on the secondary winding,
it does not show the big curved pulses when the scope is set to 5V/div, but does show the big
curved pulses when the scope is set to 2V/div. So it doesn't matter whether the scope probe
is on the Drain or across the secondary winding. The same weirdness occurs between setting the
scope to 2V/div and 5V/div. It seems the scope is generating this difference in the internal processing
of the signal since it doesn't matter whether the probe is on the drain or on the secondary winding.
I can put my scope probe on the calibration lug on the front of the scope to display the calibration squarewave,
and then switch between 2V/div and 5V/div and not see any changes in the waveform shape. I
really can't understand why this is happening. The mind boggles...  :o


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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #138 on: August 05, 2014, 12:45:54 AM »
To further compound the mystery with the scope showing different waveform
shapes depending on the voltage vertical scale setting, I kept all settings exactly the same
with my pulse driver (same pulse width and frequency) and just replaced the coil on the
Drain with a 1k ohm carbon film resistor. I then took scope shots with the voltage setting
at both 2V/div and 5V/div. There is no change to the shape of the waveforms at all in this test,
even though the pulse width and pulse frequency are identical. The only difference is I am
pulsing a 1k resistor here, and I was pulsing a coil on a ferrite core previously. I really do
not understand this. There may be a simple explanation, but whatever it is it is eluding me.   ;D


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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #139 on: August 05, 2014, 01:12:36 AM »
Here is an old scopeshot from my. newman research.
http://www.overunity.com/newman2/myspike3.jpg

It only showed these large negative going spikes at the 2 lowest
Volts/div settings...
Strange...


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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #140 on: August 05, 2014, 01:14:38 AM »
This was the input current into a Newman coil measured at a 1 or 10 Ohm shunt resistor and the coil was pulsed by a mechanical relay..

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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #141 on: August 05, 2014, 01:15:45 AM »
Ground deformation(deform) could cause a false-off... be interesting to see the signal on the emitter too at the point the collector spikes.
Probably the current gets up high enough that it's able to cause a slight positive on the emitter, which lowers the gap between the base and emitter, which causes a false-off.


When my power supply has issues with back spikes, I just add some diodes and a cap... so the power supply never gets the back pulses... the cap does, but the diodes keep the currents from the power supply in the correct direction.


Well I must say that's all less than encouraging :)

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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #142 on: August 05, 2014, 03:03:36 AM »
Here is an old scopeshot from my. newman research.
http://www.overunity.com/newman2/myspike3.jpg

It only showed these large negative going spikes at the 2 lowest
Volts/div settings...
Strange...

Yeah, well it seems it can happen with various scopes then.
I guess one more potential problem area to keep an eye out for when using scopes....  :)





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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #143 on: August 05, 2014, 03:07:16 AM »
Well I must say that's all less than encouraging :)

It is not looking like Akula's explanations in his lantern 4 video are holding up too well,
even though we have replicated some of the strange waveforms he showed in the video.
After doing a lot of testing, I as yet don't see at all where Akula is getting the extra power from to make
it a self runner...



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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #144 on: August 05, 2014, 04:00:49 AM »
Some very interesting scoposcopy going on here, I like to see this. I hope you don't mind too much if I put in my two pfennigs worth.

First, I concur that the Atten/Siglent scopes are causing the weirdness somehow. Void's experiment with the resistor instead of the coil would seem to indicate that the scope/probe combo is doing something strange when it sees the reactive load. I would like to see one other experiment done if it's not too much trouble: Deliberately decompensate the probe by "reverse setting" the capacitor. That is, have the probe make the "worst" square wave when connected to the calibrator output. Then try the 2v/5v settings again and see if that weirdness changes at all. Also see if there is any difference between AC-coupled and DC-coupled, and see what happens if you hook both probes to the same point, to display the same signal on both channels.
I have long thought that the Atten/Siglent line are the preferred scopes for OU research .....   :-\ This, and the nonadjustable DC offset issue we noted with LTseung's scope, which was also repeated at the electronics store on other Atten scopes, IIRC.... would lead me away from recommending these scopes.

The strange soft turn-off in the middle of the drive pulse ...hmm... I'd like to see some more comparisons between mosfets and BJTs before I stick my neck out on that one but I'm thinking maybe just not enough current, although one would think the drive voltage would sag in that case. Another possible culprit would be core saturation, since it seems to be related to the gap in the core.

Power supply output filtering: Yes, absolutely. Sometimes it doesn't work though. I think I managed to weld a range-switching relay in my Topward PSU by fooling around too much with weird circuits demanding strange power input, and it has some degree of built in input protection, obviously not enough. Choke in series, cap in parallel, good idea.

ETA: One other thing: I see some effects very much like that on my old HP180a scope, on one channel at three mid-low settings of that channel's attenuator. Not the lowest setting. In my case I  know this is because there is some fault in the attenuator circuit at the switch itself, or sometimes I suspect that the attenuator has been deliberately altered by the previous owner (Lawrence Livermore laboratory) to be more sensitive on those settings by about 10x.

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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #145 on: August 05, 2014, 11:37:19 AM »
Thanks TK for your insights,

Quote
Some very interesting scoposcopy going on here, I like to see this. I hope you don't mind too much if I put in my two pfennigs worth.

.....

The strange soft turn-off in the middle of the drive pulse ...hmm... I'd like to see some more comparisons between mosfets and BJTs before I stick my neck out on that one but I'm thinking maybe just not enough current, although one would think the drive voltage would sag in that case. Another possible culprit would be core saturation, since it seems to be related to the gap in the core.

.....

I found out later and reported it back that even with an air coil i had this "strange soft turn-off in the middle of the drive pulse"
So probably some capacitive coupling between base/gate and collector/drain is at play here.


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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #146 on: August 05, 2014, 12:09:55 PM »
Hi Istu and Void,
Where are you measuring exactly the yellow gate (base) signal ?

Directly at the Function generator output or
directly at the basis of the transistor ?

If you still have 10 Ohms parallel with 10 nF in series at the output of the
FG before going into the base , this RC could really be
Responseable for the sudden switch off or spike in the circuit
As it could ring itsself with its stray inductance by being energized by a pulse...
So please only directly show the signal at the base..

Looking back at the HD video from post #2 i see that Akula's yellow probe is NOT directly on the base, but looks like its on the input (so before the 10 Ohm / 10nF RC):

Regards itsu

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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #147 on: October 30, 2014, 11:39:14 PM »
This thread came to a rather sudden end in Ausgust and I was wondering were things stand, and what the general consensus is as to whether these "type" of circuit are real or some kind of fackery. I notice there is a lot of activity here "Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY", but this is really the same knid of thing and only with much more power.

When I say fackery are we talking about:

1. A glorified Joule thief as TK says, feeding off the stored energy in the tank circuit, giving the appearance of self running. I notice that the 30W version has a very much larger inductor arrangement.

2. Are they feeding of electromagnetic energy in the environment, perhaps local broadcast stations.

3. Something else?

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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #148 on: November 29, 2014, 05:57:09 AM »
I cannot tell for how long Akula's devices managed to run. However, I ran my circuit for a week before manually switching it off.
I have not, however, tried it with a few LEDs attached which may result in a short run time, primarily because I am not interested in creating yet another lantern. I will show a high output device when it is ready.

Anyway, the effect is real and can be harnessed. Akula is not entirely correct in his explanations regarding the nature of the phenomenon, but it exists and can be applied easily.

Have a look:
http://youtu.be/vgYLVyswgeQ

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Avalon Hello, I am new to the forum but I've been reading a lot about the subject. From everything I was watching your video I found of the most interesting. I wonder if you've made progress in your tests. Any new news?

I think that a similar effect occurs in following patents: "ENERGY GENERATION APPARATUS AND METHODS BASED UPON MAGNETIC FLUX SWITCHING", us 4004401 and others. The difference is that the switch is realized with magnetic switches and permanent magnets.  They uses FINEMET FT 3H as core, dificult to find, with sharp H-B. I belive this material have lower losses than Ferrite types.

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Re: Akula eternal lantern 4
« Reply #149 on: March 04, 2015, 06:11:35 PM »
New Akula circuit video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cSXYeGsO9o

Regards, Stefan.

 

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