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Author Topic: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy  (Read 35271 times)

Offline tturner

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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2014, 03:09:11 AM »
sorry to sound so demanding... i was reading another thread called confusion on teslas self acting motor and someone said they had heard about free energy by the ambient ether which is dynamic not static so mabey someone could help me with that also someone talked about figuera ive seen a thread round here either here or energeticforum but just wondering if anyone got it working successfully

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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2014, 03:38:16 AM »
Well Here's my almost to scale 1: 38 or so model of Tesla's Colorado Coil when he had 40 secondary turns.  :D Frequency is way to high in the 750 kHz area. But it can light up 50 watts of incandescent globes near the transformer using other resonant transformers. And it works well as a spark gap transmitter for Morse, anyone listening to the radio on AM near 750 kHz can hear it quite well break into the radio transmission.  ;)

Without the break out point it can contain the energy if too much input power is not used. And it's a lot less noisy.

Test run with break out point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nkJtrKCdFg

As we can see there are some differences and similarities with the last transmitter patent device.


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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2014, 03:49:40 AM »
sorry to sound so demanding... i was reading another thread called confusion on teslas self acting motor and someone said they had heard about free energy by the ambient ether which is dynamic not static so mabey someone could help me with that also someone talked about figuera ive seen a thread round here either here or energeticforum but just wondering if anyone got it working successfully

No I don't think there is any success on the Figuera project as yet,

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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2014, 07:03:47 AM »
well i think the world need free energy so im searching for free energy i thought had found it way before with his pierce arrow but ive searched for that so much with no luck. im in an emergency state for something that works or can be built/manufactured and be practicle. im 22 and this has taken over my mind im obsessed but cant really understand whats being talked about exactly on this subjects so im looking to educate myself or go back to school i was hinking chemistry but idk. sos help


That's good, just don't listen too much to experts, question every statement , ask and search for yourself. And keep in mind that among many inventors of free energy devices there were many simple guys, not much educated ...yet they did it !
Read Tesla european patents also  ;)

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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2014, 10:52:22 AM »
Nice work farm!!!

My replication was much smaller I think I took a kind of toilet paper roll as extra coil and about a 30cm dia primary/secondary...

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when he had 40 secondary turns.

Yep, but I think you also realized that Tesla went down with the number of secondary windings as time progressed. IMHO exactly due to the reason I mentioned (smaller secondary impedance).
In the end IIRC he was around a ratio of about 1:10 primary secondary. but I would have to look it up again. It's quite some time ago...


Also the extra coil was wound quite in a distinct ratio, not really comparable to "normal" "Tesla coils" and it had IMHO astonishingly few number of turns...

And most important, quite some distance between the windings. As Tesla mentions again and again in the CSN, the distributed capacity of the extra coil was a real big problem.
And if you put it together like that, you actually get quite the picture as in the patent. With a big diameter but very small height primary/secondary. An extra coil with much smaller diameter and quite big spaces between the windings.

But I anyhow do not think it makes sense to make a magnifier in small scale. As there IMHO a DRSSTC has just way more power...

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And keep in mind that among many inventors of free energy devices there were many simple guys, not much educated ...yet they did it !

I do not want to discourage anyone, but most of these allegedly FE-devices were never proven to actually work. Always some shady conspiracy theory pops up to explain, why it didn't make it to the market.

I personally believe only a very few of them actually really managed to get an FE device.
And of them even less IMHO actually really made a FE device based on a new principle (but still not necessarily violating current physics laws). Most of them IMHO just didn't realize how it really worked, and that the energy was actually coming from some conventional energy source. E.g. like my new speculation for the Gray-motor.

But IMHO the fact remains, that even those FE-inventions that did work, like the Plauson idea, were just not economic enough. It doesn't have just to deliver FE, it also has to compete with already known FE devices like photovoltaics, or wind generators.

Tesla sure was a genious, no doubt about that, but it is also obvious that some of his ideas and statements were obviously completely wrong.
I do not want to blame Tesla for this, as science at that time just hadn't the knowledge, it has now. And it also could have been, that some of these strange Tesla ideas were correct. But as it showed, they weren't.

And in relation to allegedly electronic FE devices in OU forums: I have yet to see any electronic circuit which isn't explainable by conventional physics. And if you propagate a new theory violating current physics (and don't come now with quantum effects...), you first have to show at least one experiment violating it. But all these allegedly FE effects from BEMF/CEMF, which Lindemann/Bedini/Bearden and friends propagate have not shown any special function or any OU up til now...
And they are already at this for decades...

Where I personally really think there's some really precious stuff in it is Schauberger's stuff. But he has been the most misunderstood man, I have ever seen, much worse than with Tesla. Schauberger has been completely "captured" by the esoterics, so that no serious scientist dares to occupy himself with his ideas.
Although some of them are IMHO pretty neat.

Also if you read his later patents you will recognize that there is absolutely nothing esoteric in it, it is straightforward.

At best I like his idea for the propulsion of airplanes.
We all know, that in theory an airplane does not need energy to fly (if it remains in the same height), e.g. as an example a balloon.
But what needs the excessive energy is the air resistance.
We cannot get rid of this resistance. But instead of it being just losses, we can use it as additional energy source for propelling the aircraft, so that the energy needed for propelling it, is much much smaller.

This was IMHO the basic idea behind the Repulsine.
You first generate an underpressure in front of the plane (for this you need energy). This underpressure will then be the reason that the air friction will be concentrated onto a small point at the inlet of the Repulsine. There a tremendous friction and heat is generated. Here he then uses this friction and heat to make molecular reactions with the air molecules with the help of additional things, like catalyzers, water and some other stuff reacting with the air (as a kind of additional fuel). This in the end results in bigger molecules in the air (e.g. more complex nitrous molecules) or ozone (O3), etc.. In the end what you get is a smaller volume of air, getting pushed out of the Repulsine than what got in. So in total if this thing is running the total air volume around the aircraft gets less and less. And this increases the underpressure situation in front of the aircraft. So that in the end, the aircraft gets pressed by the air itself forward into this underpressure zone.

BTW: Schauberger himself stated, that these higher molecular nitrogen molecules built, will actually finally descend to the earth and be a good fertilizer. So instead of bad exhaust fumes, you have something usable.
But that is not 100% true, as the Repulsine obviously needed a motor itself for functioning. But as said before, the energy needed for this motor is much much smaller than in a conventional plane.
This at least was, what Schauberger was propagating.
He even did let the exhaust fumes of the combustion motor driving the Repulsine into the reaction chamber itself. Like that he could use the waste heat and additionally part of this exhaust gas (CO2) gets also synthesized together with the other molecules to bigger molecules, now also with a bit C in it...

Or as he said it: My machines use the energy for propulsion which conventional machines waste due to friction. That's also the reason why his machines worked in relation better and better the higher the speeds, as then more and more energy from the friction contributed...

Also funny: He stated, that if his machines were widely used, it would decrease the total air pressure, so that now everyone benefits from air conditions like high in  the mountains. LOL

If it would really work, I don't know. But I doesn't sound very esoteric, does it.

But I got far too offtopic here, Sorry...

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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2014, 10:52:22 AM »
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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2014, 11:58:55 AM »
read Tesla interview http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm, there is now (still?) a copy of full book online  ::)


This is the most valuable source of information (if you know what to look for)


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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2014, 06:31:56 PM »
has anyone replicated  Mead/Nachamkin zp devise

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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2014, 10:58:37 PM »
im just f****** sick of this energy war can someone help me get into the right.direction hopefully we can build something that works

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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2014, 04:33:29 AM »
whats going on with the blue spike phenominom that tesla experimented with

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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2014, 07:24:22 PM »
A bit offtopic...Sorry...But just as an addition.
@Farm:
Ah BTW. I just stumbled upon an old file, where I wrote down some specs from the CSN setup (I used for my replication):

primary: 2 turns
Secondary: 48 Turns (22. Sept 1899), 22 Turns (1. Okt 1899), 17 Turns (3. Okt 1899)

AFAIR I used a 2:20 ratio on my replication.

The Primary Secondary windings hat a dia of about 15m, whereas e.g. one of the extra coils, which he often used had about 1.6m.

AFAIR I used 30cm prim and something around 3-4cm for extra coil...

That's IMHO one important point, the dia of the extra coil should be quite small compared to prime/sec.
At least if the extra coil is standing in the middle of prim/sec.
For if you make it too big, the coupling will be too strong.
But the coupling should be dominated by the prim/sec coupling and not by an inductive coupling to the extra coil.
As you do not want to have a normal inductive "secondary like" coupling to the extra coil, but you want to bottom feed it.

Just as an addition, as I just stumbled upon these notes...
As always, these are just my 2 cents, no claim for any validity or importance...


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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2014, 08:26:50 PM »
im just f****** sick of this energy war can someone help me get into the right.direction hopefully we can build something that works

The search goes on, if anyone had anything that worked it would be getting replicated and spread like wildfire.

People get ahead of themselves though. If someone was to drop off a 15 kW free energy machine to your house for free, what would you do with it ? Just wire it up to your house yourself ? Who will fix it when it breaks down ?

Any free energy device will need to be safe or it will be use at own risk and if it causes the death or injury of another then the owner operator is liable. People go to jail for negligence that causes harm to others.

And unless said device is safety certified in the country of intended installation no one will install it for you unless they are mentally deficient or leave no way to be tracked down. No certified electrician would risk jail for a few days work.

In my opinion it won't be long before grid supplied electrical power is so expensive and privatized that we will need to pre-pay for electricity before we use it. 

Best to be getting ready to be able to live at least temporarily without grid power. It can be done already with existing free energy devices. I'm set, there is just me I don't really need the grid to survive but it is cheap and very handy to have.

Don't use other peoples power if you don't want to pay. That may involve a lot of learning for some to do.

Work out how you can run a refrigerator and a light without the grid and your set. A lot of people get grid tied solar systems but they don't buy a bank of batteries an inverter and a big charger so they can run stuff when the grid goes down then charge the batteries with free energy from their solar panels via the wall socked when the grid comes back on line.

Make alcohol and distill it to 80% to use for heating fuel for cooking ect. and store it well.

Best thing I can suggest as far as new and novel free energy goes is buy or obtain a large deep cycle battery then try to work out how to charge it for free, without connecting to the grid or harnessing electro-smog. It's a good idea to have a capable charger or learn how to build one, so the battery doesn't stay discharged too long if a certain method doesn't work.

People have a lot of theories including myself but if they don't work they don't work.

Truth is no one has shown any credible devices or evidence for such like solid theories that can produce a substantial power output for free. Not that I am aware of.

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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2014, 09:48:32 PM »
what about hho generators

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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2014, 11:56:12 PM »
The search goes on, if anyone had anything that worked it would be getting replicated and spread like wildfire.

People get ahead of themselves though. If someone was to drop off a 15 kW free energy machine to your house for free, what would you do with it ? Just wire it up to your house yourself ? Who will fix it when it breaks down ?

Any free energy device will need to be safe or it will be use at own risk and if it causes the death or injury of another then the owner operator is liable. People go to jail for negligence that causes harm to others.

And unless said device is safety certified in the country of intended installation no one will install it for you unless they are mentally deficient or leave no way to be tracked down. No certified electrician would risk jail for a few days work.

In my opinion it won't be long before grid supplied electrical power is so expensive and privatized that we will need to pre-pay for electricity before we use it. 

Best to be getting ready to be able to live at least temporarily without grid power. It can be done already with existing free energy devices. I'm set, there is just me I don't really need the grid to survive but it is cheap and very handy to have.

Don't use other peoples power if you don't want to pay. That may involve a lot of learning for some to do.

Work out how you can run a refrigerator and a light without the grid and your set. A lot of people get grid tied solar systems but they don't buy a bank of batteries an inverter and a big charger so they can run stuff when the grid goes down then charge the batteries with free energy from their solar panels via the wall socked when the grid comes back on line.

Make alcohol and distill it to 80% to use for heating fuel for cooking ect. and store it well.

Best thing I can suggest as far as new and novel free energy goes is buy or obtain a large deep cycle battery then try to work out how to charge it for free, without connecting to the grid or harnessing electro-smog. It's a good idea to have a capable charger or learn how to build one, so the battery doesn't stay discharged too long if a certain method doesn't work.

People have a lot of theories including myself but if they don't work they don't work.

Truth is no one has shown any credible devices or evidence for such like solid theories that can produce a substantial power output for free. Not that I am aware of.

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Another idea is to use grid tie inverters without the grid (by making sure the grid is completely disconnected).  To do this, a substitute grid will be needed consisting of a sine-wave ups that can be cold started off of it's battery.  The output of the sine-wave ups will supply the enable to turn on the grid tie inverters that are solar powered.  Since grid tie inverters normally use the load of the grid as a voltage regulator, voltage stabilizers (buck and boost) will help to regulate the voltage output to the load. 

The ups sine-wave inverter will need a sine-wave input to restore power to the ups, so the ups does not continue to run off of battery.  A small sine-wave inverter that is powered from a solar panel or a battery that is powered from a solar charger, could supply a sine-wave input for the ups.  This set-up would not require a battery bank, but would only work during strong sunshine days.  A small generator that provides sine-wave output might also be used as the substitute grid.  This idea is untested to run a home, but I have successfully tested to see if a ups will enable a grid tie inverter.

Anybody else tried this before?

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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2014, 03:27:57 AM »
im just f****** sick of this energy war can someone help me get into the right.direction hopefully we can build something that works
The big secret about free energy is that all energy is free. It was created at the Big Bang or however the universe was created if you don't subscribe to that theory, which I don't. You can't add to it and you can't destroy it. All you can do is change what is already there. I think it was Carl Sagan who said, "To make an apple you first need to create a universe." Ditto for energy.
 
So the real question is how much do you want to pay for your free energy. You could build your own solar panels but regardless of how you do it you still need raw materials. Or you could buy some land and drill a gas or oil well and convert everything including cars to LPG but then you need a compressor, etc. You see where that's going.
 
It's not the energy that is the problem. It is everywhere. In the ground and the atmosphere and outer space. In the atoms that make up those things and the ions in the atmosphere and even in the plasma in outer space. There is no such thing as a "vacuum". There is nowhere in the universe that is empty. There is energy in the earth's magnetic field and that of the sun and all the stars in the universe and even, they recently discovered, the black holes have magnetic fields.
 
The problem is harnessing the energy. The best fuelless energy is gravity because it is, to a large degree, constant but you need a river or lake to harness it. Gravity is free. The water cycle of the planet that carries water to heights and releases it to flow down streams and rivers is free. The dam and equipment to generate electricity and transmit it, wirelessly or otherwise, is not.
 
And even free energy won't solve the war problem. There were wars long before electricity or petrochemicals were harnessed. Bigger sials to sail the war ships faster. Coal to power war ships that wouldn't have to depend on the wind and move armies on trains to where they were needed. Petrochemicals (diesel and gasoline) packed more energy into smaller size and weight to make war machines more mobile. Interestingly war is usually behind all energy development - better power sources to power more devastating war machines. Tesla thought war was stupid and a waste of man's efforts also.
 
Unfortunately, it's the nature of the beast. I saw someone say WAR is an acronym for We Are Right. So if you can change human nature you might stop war. Then again you may not be able to change it that much. Wars aren't being fought over energy today. They are fought over ideology and physical and human resources. Read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War".

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Re: tesla zpr generator cosmic energy
« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2014, 03:37:37 AM »
whats going on with the blue spike phenominom that tesla experimented with
It's known today as corona discharge and is what makes laser printers work.

 

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