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Author Topic: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?  (Read 57413 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
« on: May 24, 2014, 04:41:17 AM »
Hi All,
we had the Youtube user Larskro in the past faking
a BackEMF motor device, but he came clear and told us,
where he had hidden the batteries.

Now he has a new circuit here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln3YVVZbpNo

which is charging the cap in loop mode, so he is showing
overunity.

The circuit seems to be very easy.
He just has a Reed Switch parallel to a Shottky diode
and from pulsing the Reed Switch with his motor the motor
coils generate BackEMF that recharges the caps and also rise
the voltage on the cap while the motor is running.

If this is no fake with another hidden battery or wireless power
setup this definately looks like a winner circuit and a real overunity
circuit, charging the caps while running and still rising the voltage..
So this circuit seems to produce energy while running.

Hopefully he will soon show more videos of it and show it all in detail.

Regards, Stefan.

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2014, 05:44:55 AM »
Very nice!

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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2014, 05:17:20 PM »
Seems it depends on the cooling of the SMD cap with its nonlinear dielectric and converting heat to electric energy...
http://youtu.be/DpvLwll79Ho

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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2014, 07:06:01 PM »
I get the attached circuit drawing by looking at the video.

The small motor coil is connected in series with the reed relay.
He need to use bias magnets to get the reed relay to be normally
closed to get this motor running. In the Loop Off mode there is
a path from the start battery that will charge both capacitors
via the diode. In Loop On mode the motor input is from the two
capacitors.

GL.

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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2014, 08:52:39 PM »
Hi All,
we had the Youtube user Larskro in the past faking
a BackEMF motor device, but he came clear and told us,
where he had hidden the batteries.

Now he has a new circuit here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln3YVVZbpNo

which is charging the cap in loop mode, so he is showing
overunity.

The circuit seems to be very easy.
He just has a Reed Switch parallel to a Shottky diode
and from pulsing the Reed Switch with his motor the motor
coils generate BackEMF that recharges the caps and also rise
the voltage on the cap while the motor is running.

If this is no fake with another hidden battery or wireless power
setup this definately looks like a winner circuit and a real overunity
circuit, charging the caps while running and still rising the voltage..
So this circuit seems to produce energy while running.

Hopefully he will soon show more videos of it and show it all in detail.

Regards, Stefan.
That simple divices usualy is fake.

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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2014, 09:59:33 PM »
Seems it depends on the cooling of the SMD cap with its nonlinear dielectric and converting heat to electric energy...
http://youtu.be/DpvLwll79Ho

Stefan,

The temperature difference he measures is around 1°C.  I believe that the rotor ventilates a small amount of air which reaches the surface of the SMD capacitor so it cools down a little bit.  If this small amount of cooling already enough for releasing some energy from such type of capacitor (ceramic, multilayer) then it may be enough for looping. 

So I do not think the cap cools itself, I think it is cooled by the small air movement the rotor makes near to it, and this may cause the effect. 

Larsko could easily test this: just would need to use a separate ventilator to cool the cap further down and see or measure cap current.  (Here I give the benefit of doubt: hopefully he did not fake the setup.)

Gyula

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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2014, 10:39:26 PM »
Larskro has released his second video about this cap charging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpvLwll79Ho

He writes that he has studied the effect of Dr. H. Weber and
his SMD cap has cooled apparently..
I had tried a similar effect before.
that depends on the used non-linear temperature-dependent
Dielectric material from the capacitor.
I had used 10 pieces of ceramic blocking capacitors 100 nF in parallel and
then  charged them with a 9 volt battery .
Then, I strongly heated them with a hair dryer and then the voltage rose on the capacitors
to nearly 100 volts !
There is also a different dielectric material , where the voltage on the capacitors
increases when cooling them !

Now I looked up , what I can find about this Dr. Weber.
This iswhat  I've found:

Producing electrical energy from heat

Weber is the inventor of a " pyroelectric " method for generating electrical energy from heat .
The Weberian "Heat Trap" ( heat sink ) is referred to by him as a converter to convert heat
(Temperature range 30-90 ° C) into electric current
(10 kW are claimed )
Here pyroelectric crystals work in a " Pyrooszillator " ( " Pyrocell " ).
Since using the pyroelectric effect changes in temperature convert to voltage changes
, so the  Pyrooszillator does not work only on the principle of a conventional electric oscillator ,
but of a kind of hybrid of pyroelectric transducer and electrical oscillator (see figure).

As this  Pyrooszillator conflicts with the circumstances of the scientific thermodynamics
it works without an electrical power source and still electrical energy
i sprovided to a supercapacitor .
The suspected energy source could also be from what the German psychiatrist Wilhelm Reich
called Bionenergy from his Orgonfield research.
A Marcus Albert Reid had presented 2008 ( regardless of Weber) a similar principle under the name " Crystal Cell"  and claims to have an unexplained power of 1 mW observed at 23 degrees Celsius.

For more see:
http://www.psiram.com/ge/images/b/b3/Pyrooszillator.jpg

http://www.borderlands.de/Links/Heat-Trap-Lecture-090912-Zurich.pdf

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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2014, 10:42:11 PM »
Why can't the motor be replaced with a simple coil and the reed switch replaced with a mosfet or bjt ? If that is self running then almost any coil switching set up should be able to self run as well. Maybe the black electrolytic capacitor is a very small battery in disguise. I've got some that look like that and I considered slipping a capacitor plastic cover on them to make them appear to be capacitors, which they would very much so appear to be with some capacitor plastic on them.

Or the loop on and loop off could be opposite to what we are led to believe.

Cheers

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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2014, 10:53:35 PM »
Hi Groundloop.
well done with the circuit diagramm, but I believe, the LEDs 1 and 2
might be the wrong way around ?
As the Schottky diode as it is used this way normally blocks already the Back EMF
I wonder if the LEDs would not be reversed in the circuit to at least conduct some of the
BackEMF pulses back to the positive pole of the caps ?

Or are the LEDs only there to keep the voltage at the caps not going to high by
shunting current away, if  their treshold voltage is reached ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2014, 11:22:36 PM »
I believe that second cap is a super cap, or memory cap as they are called sometimes in the surplus catalogs.  I have that exact same cap right here in my hand.  It is as Groundloop says: .47 F 5.5 volts.  I can light a couple of leds with it for a long time.  That is almost 1/2 farad at 5.5 volts so there is a good amount of energy there.  Using it in a JT type circuit will make it last a lot longer still.  This is the second super cap I had ever purchased after finding out that I could use them like a battery.  (I have obtained many more since then...some very large)



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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2014, 11:36:06 PM »
Hi Groundloop.
well done with the circuit diagramm, but I believe, the LEDs 1 and 2
might be the wrong way around ?
As the Schottky diode as it is used this way normally blocks already the Back EMF
I wonder if the LEDs would not be reversed in the circuit to at least conduct some of the
BackEMF pulses back to the positive pole of the caps ?

Or are the LEDs only there to keep the voltage at the caps not going to high by
shunting current away, if  their treshold voltage is reached ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Stefan,

It is hard to tell what way the LEDs are connected.
I guess we have to wait until Larskro provide a circuit drawing.

GL.

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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2014, 01:09:38 AM »
I believe that second cap is a super cap, or memory cap as they are called sometimes in the surplus catalogs.  I have that exact same cap right here in my hand.  It is as Groundloop says: .47 F 5.5 volts.  I can light a couple of leds with it for a long time.  That is almost 1/2 farad at 5.5 volts so there is a good amount of energy there.  Using it in a JT type circuit will make it last a lot longer still.  This is the second super cap I had ever purchased after finding out that I could use them like a battery.  (I have obtained many more since then...some very large)

Not quite the "exact same". Your cap has both terminals on one side, as does mine of that style (mine are 1 F though.) Larskro's cap has one terminal on each end, I think.

I don't know if what he's showing is the same "capacitor recovery" effect I showed with the "TKBloomer" circuit, where the supercap's voltage is seen to be rising, while the LED is lit, even though no power is being supplied externally.


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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2014, 01:12:41 AM »
Stefan,

It is hard to tell what way the LEDs are connected.
I guess we have to wait until Larskro provide a circuit drawing.

GL.

Or... you could build it and try the LEDs both ways.

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Re: Selfcharging cap circuit from Larskro fake or real ?
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2014, 01:16:52 AM »
Why can't the motor be replaced with a simple coil and the reed switch replaced with a mosfet or bjt ? If that is self running then almost any coil switching set up should be able to self run as well.

This was my immediate thought as well. However, nothing switches quite like a reed switch.

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Maybe the black electrolytic capacitor is a very small battery in disguise. I've got some that look like that and I considered slipping a capacitor plastic cover on them to make them appear to be capacitors, which they would very much so appear to be with some capacitor plastic on them.

Or the loop on and loop off could be opposite to what we are led to believe.

Cheers

If it's faked in some blatant way like that, I'd be very disappointed. I hope it's really a spike-recycler. It might take a little while to test the energy budget to see if it's just fluffing up charge like some battery-powered circuits do without really changing the total energy. But I don't know if you can actually do that fluffing with a supercapacitor instead of a battery.



 

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