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« Reply #600 on: September 05, 2014, 04:38:54 PM »
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« Reply #601 on: September 06, 2014, 08:55:53 PM »
Double stepdown o2 spillover in rapid succession in Na2CO3 sol from mno2/pt onto etched ni onto etched ni.the slamming negative potential at the end ruling out galvano-corrosi.

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« Reply #602 on: September 06, 2014, 09:06:39 PM »
Double stepdown o2 spillover in rapid succession in Na2CO3 sol from pt/mno2 onto ni(oh)2/carbon onto ni etch.slamming negative potential at end ruling out galvani-corrosi.

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« Reply #603 on: September 06, 2014, 11:50:26 PM »
And a final fuck for the case of o2 spillover.pt wire vs mno2 ontop pt foil.please note: the standard potential of mno2 is less positive than the standard for pt in alkali yet here is reversed due to spillover gradient.pt wire was used as prongs on both clips in this shot.

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« Reply #604 on: September 21, 2014, 01:32:20 PM »
From the international journal of modern chemistry.possibly the most important document I have ever seen that is official.I'm going to ask viewers to please not disturb the author.search for the word 'spillover' in here.verification that the second law of thermodynamics is no longer valid and being taken seriously

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« Reply #605 on: September 21, 2014, 02:29:00 PM »
Do you think it is important that the author seems to represent that rusted iron is lower entropy state than unoxidized iron?

How does the "International Journal of Modern Chemistry" rank as a peer reviewed journal?  How many articles in better known journals cite any articles in the IJMC? Does it rank up there with Andrea Rossi's JONP?

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« Reply #606 on: September 21, 2014, 04:05:53 PM »
Rusting of iron: lower total entropy state than was previously thought taking into account phase-change of o2 gas disorder into orderly crystalline Fe2O3 oxide solid.ruthenium dioxide:total spontaneous reduction of entropy state taking into account phase-change disorderly o2 gas into orderly crystalline chemisorbed state.which journal would you prefer @mark E.mr chang has plenty articles in plenty journals.

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« Reply #607 on: September 22, 2014, 02:17:13 AM »
Rusting of iron: lower total entropy state than was previously thought taking into account phase-change of o2 gas disorder into orderly crystalline Fe2O3 oxide solid.ruthenium dioxide:total spontaneous reduction of entropy state taking into account phase-change disorderly o2 gas into orderly crystalline chemisorbed state.which journal would you prefer @mark E.mr chang has plenty articles in plenty journals.
The paper such as it was, addressed processes tat supposedly result in spontaneous reductions of entropy due to catalysts.  Admitting that a claimed example does not result in the reduced entropy claimed, admits the paper fails to make its case.

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« Reply #608 on: September 22, 2014, 08:23:30 AM »
If you had put your glasses on you wouldve seen that he claims LESS entropy for RUSTING not negative entropy for RUSTING.same applies to any oxidation corrosion process involving gases eg zinc + o2 = zinc oxide + energy ,,minus energy it took to suck o2 gas disorder into orderly ZnO crystal.same for sodium peroxide,calcium oxide,hydrogen ox..(oops)

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« Reply #609 on: September 22, 2014, 10:20:21 AM »
Suggesting that people before him have made a miscalculation that overstates entropy is a complete fail in terms of offering support for the paper's stated claim of evidencing processes that spontaneously reduce entropy.

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« Reply #610 on: September 22, 2014, 11:28:51 AM »
Get your calculator out: for a zinc-air bat as prime example,,2Zn + O2 = 2ZnO + energy - phase change energy.2ZnO + energy - phase change energy = 2Zn + O2 + phase change energy.you gain on phase change energy.unless you can show better math

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« Reply #611 on: September 22, 2014, 03:26:48 PM »
Get your calculator out: for a zinc-air bat as prime example,,2Zn + O2 = 2ZnO + energy - phase change energy.2ZnO + energy - phase change energy = 2Zn + O2 + phase change energy.you gain on phase change energy.unless you can show better math
Taking energy out of a battery, Zn-air qualifies, always results in an increase in entropy.

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« Reply #612 on: September 22, 2014, 05:39:03 PM »
Not in a battery where your phase-change gain exceeds irreversability losses no.also not in a battery where both your electrode reactions are the same but opposite direction as is the case for catalytic spillover.

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« Reply #613 on: September 22, 2014, 06:30:14 PM »
Sheehans paper along same line as chang et al http://meetings.aps.org/meeting/mar14/session/a2.11

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« Reply #614 on: September 22, 2014, 08:54:53 PM »
Not in a battery where your phase-change gain exceeds irreversability losses no.also not in a battery where both your electrode reactions are the same but opposite direction as is the case for catalytic spillover.
You keep saying that you know of battery chemistries that violate the second law.  But when it comes to actually establishing that is true for any case you offer little more than hand waving.  Pomodoro went to a great deal of trouble to entertain your ideas and the results were negative.

 

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