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« Reply #585 on: August 26, 2014, 11:47:09 AM »
Mmm @markE.I don't have any palladium sponge lying around but I'l see what I can seal up in a straw for a lil demo.it was pomodoro who said he may or may not with-hold info at will in the beginning of this thread.

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« Reply #586 on: August 26, 2014, 01:02:29 PM »
Sorry about the late reply but I just came back from the patent office. I'm winding up these hydrogen karpen cells but as promised will try out the Pt black vs Shiny Pt in air very soon. Will post results ad soon as I have them.

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« Reply #587 on: August 26, 2014, 02:12:58 PM »
 ok pomodoro let's see your plat-air results :D :D :D :D etch the bottom one please

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« Reply #587 on: August 26, 2014, 02:12:58 PM »
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« Reply #588 on: August 29, 2014, 07:29:46 AM »
Ok top one is etched and  platenized Pt other one is etched Pt. Electrolyte is 1M NaOH.  Left them shorted 24 hrs and I let them charge up overnight.

I'm going to put both up on top near each other and see if a potential difference still develops.

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« Reply #589 on: August 29, 2014, 10:12:48 AM »
If you got no impurities in your plating process then both submerged will drop in voltage.both at top will also drop in voltage.you can even use 2 identical black foils for this test or two identical smooth foils and get same result.two platinum wires cut from the same piece will also give same result.raise your top one higher for more voltage

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« Reply #590 on: August 29, 2014, 10:32:10 AM »
Blackened or smooth nickel foils,wire,ribbon will also give same results

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« Reply #591 on: August 29, 2014, 01:16:45 PM »
OK guys, I'm officially giving up on the hydrogen karpens. Im definite that they don't work as I have performed them. The cathode always end up equilibrating to the same potential as the palladium after extensive discharging and does not recover.  The early success was due to impure hydrogen, containing small amounts of oxygen. Since we are looking at microampers, this oxygen keeps powering the cell.  Now I know that you, Profitis , think that I, thanks to you,  have discovered something amazing and am keeping it from you, but no, that is not true.  It is up to you to invest in some foolproof equipment with larger electrodes and to find out the truth for yourself. Please stay away from straws and hair thin wires.  I'm thankful to you for all the advice, you are a very smart chap with great ideas, so keep going and re do these experiments for yourself. But for the other readers I really must say what I believe is true, and that is simply that these experiments, done in the way I did, show that a potential between the dissimilar metals doesn't last in a pure hydrogen atmosphere.
Please, anyone who wants to try these for themselves, do them properly, there must be no oxygen at all, or all you are doing is 'burning' up the hydrogen on the platinum.

Nuf said.

Having said that, if the platinum electrodes show a constant differential in air, then I might investigate those further, but no more hydrogen, please.

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« Reply #592 on: August 29, 2014, 02:06:27 PM »
Pomodoro, thanks again for all the time, money, and quality effort that you put into these experiments.

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« Reply #593 on: August 29, 2014, 02:47:19 PM »
Thanks markE you're very welcome.

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« Reply #594 on: August 29, 2014, 02:48:33 PM »
Exellent pomodoro.although I only agree with 50% of your hydrogen results its been great many thanks.I've myself learned a good thing or 2 from this manhatten test series as have you I'm sure.let's see what your o2 results have to say.

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« Reply #595 on: September 01, 2014, 03:40:42 PM »
Etched nickel mesh submerged in Na2CO3 sol with blackened nickel mesh ontop.oxygen spillover in action.this will not work under argon or nitrogen gas.you can make these electrodes as stinking big as u want.break the micrometer if u wish.

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« Reply #595 on: September 01, 2014, 03:40:42 PM »
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« Reply #596 on: September 01, 2014, 05:06:05 PM »
This snapshot at the height of the powerburst curve.this type of spillover entirely spontaneously reversable.

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« Reply #597 on: September 01, 2014, 10:59:24 PM »
Double-step spillover from nickel black onto etched onto etched in rapid succession(everything submerged this time).note the negative potential at the end indicating definite o2 spillover and not galvanic corrosion(wouldve been positive or zero).this will not work under argon or nitrogen.

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« Reply #598 on: September 05, 2014, 01:25:37 PM »
Well guys I need a break from this research, so this Will be my last post for now. The Pt black vs etched Pt did have a small voltage develop when they were placed in a solution of ammonium chloride. I measured 22 mv  , but after 4 days it has died town to 9.  This is after being shorted for a few days.
Keep the work going profitis , and good luck. For now I'm going to get my hands dirty with RF.  I have a working 2kw cw 27mhz oscillator that I'd like to put to some use. I need to brush up on Stiffler , Avramenko, and moray as I have not been keeping up for 6 years or so.

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« Reply #599 on: September 05, 2014, 01:50:32 PM »
Chloride ion (cl-) visciously corrodes platinum in presence of air pomodoro hence your evening out of potentials using nh4cl which is why I recomended (nh4)2so4 or NaOH thanks anyway.goodluck with the stiffler thingy

 

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