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« Reply #480 on: August 13, 2014, 09:00:41 AM »
I can give you more such examples of spontanteously- reversed galvanic couples if you want @mark E

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« Reply #481 on: August 13, 2014, 09:23:57 AM »
It doesn't work under argon or nitrogen,only air or oxygen,which means o2 is without a shred of doubt involved in its electrode reactions.this is to be expected because the oxygen concentration is much larger at the nickel than at the platinum.after o2 concentrations are leveled out on discharge,opening switch allows recharge and re-distribution of original oxygen concentrations spontaneously. 100% reversable catalytic oxygen spillover from nickel onto platinum in this case.against kelvin rule.
Is it your contention that the oxygen concentrations return to their disparate levels without application of outside energy?

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« Reply #482 on: August 13, 2014, 10:11:41 AM »
Electrochemical entropy will squash gas from the cathode onto anode at expense of temperature entropy on discharge.spontaneous heat inflow from ambient without need for temp gradient will disperse gas on recharge. You want to make as much power density as you can to be able to test these cells adequetly against the 2lot.

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« Reply #482 on: August 13, 2014, 10:11:41 AM »
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« Reply #483 on: August 13, 2014, 10:20:10 AM »
For power density on an o2 karpen I suggest the MnO2 pyrolusite/ nickel(blackened)/NaOH/air variety,easy to make and cheap.in this case nickel is your anode(submerged)

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« Reply #484 on: August 13, 2014, 10:33:57 AM »
Electrochemical entropy will squash gas from the cathode onto anode at expense of temperature entropy on discharge.spontaneous heat inflow from ambient without need for temp gradient will disperse gas on recharge. You want to make as much power density as you can to be able to test these cells adequetly against the 2lot.
So, is it your claim that the materials in the cell operating at the same temperature as the surroundings absorb heat from the surroundings, and in doing so generates a disparity in the O2 concentrations that exist in the vicinity of each electrode?

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« Reply #485 on: August 13, 2014, 10:41:11 AM »
Also note that corrosion current is impossible.according to standard table of potentials nickel must corrode by a exponentialy huge margin.

But now it has a film of nickel Hydroxide, so the tables are no longer valid.

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« Reply #486 on: August 13, 2014, 11:01:02 AM »
Yes @mark E.gas is dispersed,heat absorbed,potentials re-constituted.its an EQUILIBRIUM POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE.karpen gave same explanation.

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« Reply #487 on: August 13, 2014, 11:04:30 AM »
Exactly @pomodoro.nickel is so inert in alkali it can go cathodic to platinum.this justifies its use for oxygen evolution in the MnO2/nickel setup where it is anodic

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« Reply #488 on: August 13, 2014, 11:07:47 AM »
These cells have tens of thousands years shelflife.that in itself is violation of 2nd law.they are negentropic

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« Reply #488 on: August 13, 2014, 11:07:47 AM »
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« Reply #489 on: August 13, 2014, 11:15:04 AM »
Yes @mark E.gas is dispersed,heat absorbed,potentials re-constituted.its an EQUILIBRIUM POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE.karpen gave same explanation.
Over what temperature range does your preferred cell chemistry supposedly pull heat from the surroundings??  Will it work between 50C and 0C?  25C and 10C?

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« Reply #490 on: August 13, 2014, 11:20:34 AM »
So long as the electrolyte does not freeze and crystallize it should be fine

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« Reply #491 on: August 13, 2014, 11:23:23 AM »
So long as the electrolyte does not freeze and crystallize it should be fine
So do you agree to 10C and 35C as a viable working range?

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« Reply #492 on: August 13, 2014, 11:29:13 AM »
Don't know @mark E.It must be tested to its limits.I'm just working at average capetown temps summer through winter it works fine.

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« Reply #493 on: August 13, 2014, 12:02:32 PM »
So if the claim is true, do you agree then that a black box containing the materials in thermal isolation will:

1. Output a minimum quantity of energy when loaded externally.
2. During the output phase demonstrate a movement towards equalization of the oxygen concentration in the vicinity of the two electrodes.
3. Recover from delivery of said energy in a defined period of time after the load is disconnected.
4. During the recovery, the oxygen concentrations at the two electrodes will become disparate.
5. During the recovery, cool down internally.
4. Not exhibit degradation of any of the internal materials cycle to cycle.

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« Reply #494 on: August 13, 2014, 12:19:42 PM »
@mark E.yup. Guys with labs must build it with solid pyrolusite chunks or pure Mno2 chunks.chunks,not powders,not platings.etched in HCl for surface area.solid chunks pyrolusite is a good conductor.you can order pyrolusite tumble-stones from gems/minerals suppliers on the net. These chunks give highest power density(for an o2 karpen)

 

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