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Offline pomodoro

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« Reply #465 on: August 13, 2014, 02:12:53 AM »
Guys I will leave, but I want to make sure what I do leave behind are not the results of badly executed experiments. When the hydrogen runs out I am done as I can't use it for anything else and can't get a refund for what is left.

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« Reply #466 on: August 13, 2014, 02:16:27 AM »
Guys I will leave, but I want to make sure what I do leave behind are not the results of badly executed experiments. When the hydrogen runs out I am done as I can't use it for anything else and can't get a refund for what is left.
Pomodoro, that is very reasonable.   Can you venture about how many more hours endurance H2 that you have left? 


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« Reply #467 on: August 13, 2014, 02:17:50 AM »
Its not in my interest to formulate anything @mark E.the goal is to build an oxygen concentration cell and show how the textbooks are correct with the nernst equation. (I said madness,man not madness-man)

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« Reply #467 on: August 13, 2014, 02:17:50 AM »
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« Reply #468 on: August 13, 2014, 02:19:54 AM »
Pomodoro.please do not leave without doing the cell setup with 2 platinum electrodes. That is the definitive test

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« Reply #469 on: August 13, 2014, 02:30:45 AM »
Its not in my interest to formulate anything @mark E.the goal is to build an oxygen concentration cell and show how the textbooks are correct with the nernst equation. (I said madness,man not madness-man)
You are playing directly to Sarkeizen's  predictions.  Pomodoro has gone to substantial expense and effort in order to entertain your ideas and has shown some interesting experiments, and I am grateful that he has conducted them.  If the sum total of your ideas is as it presently appears that the Nernst equation amounts to a violation of the Second Law then experiments were not necessary.  You would first be on the line to show how violation of the Second Law would follow from validity of the Nernst equation.

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@mark E..madness man
  I really don't give a hoot about childish insults.  I do think it is odd that you deny what you've written.


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« Reply #469 on: August 13, 2014, 02:30:45 AM »
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Offline profitis

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« Reply #470 on: August 13, 2014, 02:34:01 AM »
Pomodoro.if you build the duo-platinum oxygen concentration cell for us you rescue this thread

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« Reply #471 on: August 13, 2014, 03:00:40 AM »
Lol @mark E.your crazy.I invite any viewers to build my last diagramed dual platinum(black)/platinum smooth air cell in NaOH or ammonium sulfate electrolyte to prove to themselves what's really going on on this thread.

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« Reply #471 on: August 13, 2014, 03:00:40 AM »
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Offline pomodoro

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« Reply #472 on: August 13, 2014, 05:34:32 AM »
Probably a weeks worth of H2.  Wasted a heap last night as the flow increased by itself.  Electrolyte level dropped below electrodes, so will need to wait another day for the results of the hydrogen test...
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I'm busy doing other real work at the moment, so this research  will take its  time folks.

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« Reply #473 on: August 13, 2014, 06:53:56 AM »
And this video to destroy all of mark E's fantasies of the second law thermodynamics. A thick etched platinum wire is ANODIC,that's right my friends,anodic vs nickel-black exposed to air at surface of NaOH electrolyte.the blackened nickel(+) retaining greater O2 adsorption than the submerged platinum(-) giving rise to an oxygen concentration nernst value on the v-meter

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« Reply #473 on: August 13, 2014, 06:53:56 AM »
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« Reply #474 on: August 13, 2014, 07:27:15 AM »
Here's a closeup of the above o2 concentration cell components

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« Reply #475 on: August 13, 2014, 07:45:28 AM »
And this video to destroy all of mark E's fantasies of the second law thermodynamics. A thick etched platinum wire is ANODIC,that's right my friends,anodic vs nickel-black exposed to air at surface of NaOH electrolyte.the blackened nickel(+) retaining greater O2 adsorption than the submerged platinum(-) giving rise to an oxygen concentration nernst value on the v-meter
Assuming for a moment that the experiment in an apparently dirty bottle cap was not polluted, and that the materials are as you represent them, how is it that you contend that what is shown in the video violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics?

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« Reply #475 on: August 13, 2014, 07:45:28 AM »
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« Reply #476 on: August 13, 2014, 07:55:28 AM »
Nah it gives perpetual power @mark E(same like karpen cell). viewers,varsity students,scientists can easily replicate this one.try maximize with larger electrodes.it won't work under pure argon or nitrogen by the way,only o2/air

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« Reply #477 on: August 13, 2014, 08:13:41 AM »
Nah it gives perpetual power @mark E(same like karpen cell). viewers,varsity students,scientists can easily replicate this one.try maximize with larger electrodes.it won't work under pure argon or nitrogen by the way,only o2/air
Is it your assertion that:
The cell operates without generating any reaction products from the inputs?  If that is not your assertion, then on what basis do you claim that it:  "gives perpetual power"?  Is it an assertion that a concentration changes indefinitely while remaining unbalanced indefinitely?  Clarification is needed to determine if you are making a claim against the First Law, or the Second Law.

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« Reply #478 on: August 13, 2014, 08:35:46 AM »
It doesn't work under argon or nitrogen,only air or oxygen,which means o2 is without a shred of doubt involved in its electrode reactions.this is to be expected because the oxygen concentration is much larger at the nickel than at the platinum.after o2 concentrations are leveled out on discharge,opening switch allows recharge and re-distribution of original oxygen concentrations spontaneously. 100% reversable catalytic oxygen spillover from nickel onto platinum in this case.against kelvin rule.

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« Reply #479 on: August 13, 2014, 08:48:30 AM »
Also note that corrosion current is impossible.according to standard table of potentials nickel must corrode by a exponentialy huge margin.

 

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