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pomodoro

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« Reply #240 on: July 19, 2014, 11:14:17 AM »
So still use 1m koh , and the electrode, is it platinized and the other smooth gold? Did they use aluminum to generate hydrogen in situ?

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« Reply #241 on: July 19, 2014, 11:20:15 AM »
They designed their test for only v-reading.their v didn't change one iota after 10months and they did short it inbetween to try annihilate it.they used smooth gold yes but we must use rough silver because we want power aswell as v.

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« Reply #242 on: July 19, 2014, 11:25:49 AM »
No they didn't say how they generated H2.they just said it was pure.I assume they had it bottled in the lab.industrial grade is no problem as long as there's no H2S in there.

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« Reply #243 on: July 19, 2014, 01:26:39 PM »
I'll give it a go, but Chinese scientific research is not too good right now, I can't possibly imagine how it would have been in the 80s!!

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« Reply #244 on: July 19, 2014, 05:27:09 PM »
Don't underestimate chinese research pomodoro,they have a coupla trillion dollars loose change lying around,even then.ok so its going to be a factory platinized Pt/Ag rough in KOH sealed ok? Let's do it.remember,the goal is to make history here.our names will bring riches later.

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« Reply #245 on: July 20, 2014, 03:50:56 PM »
Before I start fusing glass to metal, I'd like to try using good grade epoxy, no less than 1cm thick to seal electrode wires within drilled glass stoppers.Hydrogen will be tested with pb nitrate and a slight positive pressure kept within the cell. No continuous flow this time.

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« Reply #246 on: July 20, 2014, 07:34:22 PM »
Okdoke.use copper,gold,silver wire through the seal just enough to get through to inside and twist tight onto direct leads.I'm estimating 0.4-0.6v overpotential dif.try not to allow capture of air before sealing or vaccuum will form and puncture gadget2

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« Reply #247 on: July 22, 2014, 10:44:10 PM »
Heres an oxygen based karpen cell test utilizing two different fuel cell oxygen catalysts,silver and MnO2.note the power relative to the size of the cathode MnO2 crystal (1mm by 2mm cubed)30-40microamp.both surfaces have been treated for surface area.electrolyte is 1M NaOH.voltage is 0.1v at top discharge curves(actualy one interrupted curve shown).contact wires made of nichrome(contributes less than 0.5microamp)

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« Reply #248 on: July 23, 2014, 03:45:43 PM »
I've nearly finished the electrodes, will post a picture tomorrow.  How did figure an emf difference of 400 mv?   You have the same conc of protons and partial pressure as the Pt electrode.

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« Reply #249 on: July 23, 2014, 04:07:10 PM »
If gold gives 0.45 then Ag will give around the same pomodoro.its just power that we need to get from it.

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« Reply #250 on: July 23, 2014, 04:13:25 PM »
I was looking at the silver vs secret chart oscilloscope reading and something doesn't figure.if air contamination was a real menace then surely it wouldntve flattened out like that.we need to do the manhatten test again because it takes at least 5hrs rest to regain equilibrium after a 12hr(overnight) shortcircuit.I think we was too quik to dismiss the manhatten test we shouldve waited,the current and voltage wouldve climbed further up had we let it sufficient rest.

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« Reply #251 on: July 24, 2014, 02:43:23 AM »
Check out latest video on YouTube. Shows the effect that oxygen has on the cell. In the video I stopped h2 flow. The voltage immediately rises. I also quickly lift up the silver electrode and the cell instantly charges.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kBHBr_NNLS4
« Last Edit: July 24, 2014, 07:32:59 AM by pomodoro »

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« Reply #252 on: July 24, 2014, 04:35:22 AM »
OK gents I present you gadget #2.  A palladized etched platinum electrode fused to glass , a pure silver wire electrode sealed with electrical grade epoxy. Both electrodes have ground glass joints and are sealed against tubular cell with high vacuum silicone grease.
Cell with 1m koh  is purged with hydrogen, silver is made positive for a few secs to form an oxide layer and cell is shorted out overnight.

Keep watching...

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« Reply #253 on: July 24, 2014, 11:38:01 AM »
What's that bubble floating in the middle of gadget2 pomodoro? After you short the system for hours give the system rest for hours before measurements.it takes time for resaturation of sponge with H2 gas after being totaly emptied.it takes time for gas to diffuse through electrolyte.

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« Reply #254 on: July 24, 2014, 11:45:00 AM »
That was just a preliminary test. No bubbles at all now. Currently discharging, just a few uA.