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Author Topic: KARPEN PILE  (Read 232292 times)

profitis

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« Reply #180 on: July 17, 2014, 12:26:12 AM »
Be sure to measure the voltage before you measure current tomorrow pomodoro and not other way round.we want to see its true resting potential.
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« Reply #181 on: July 17, 2014, 06:56:33 AM »
Ok resting potential is 947mV. 

Check out the pdf with the oscilloscope traces of discharges and recovery time.
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MarkE

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« Reply #182 on: July 17, 2014, 07:04:59 AM »
Great!  It definitely looks like there are two time constants at work.  Was the unloaded condition into:

1) Open circuit across a X1 1 MegOhm probe?
2) Open circuit across a X10 10 MegOhm probe?
3) Across a 10K resistor into a X1 1 MegOhm probe?
4) Across a 10K resistor into a X10 10 MegOhm probe?
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« Reply #183 on: July 17, 2014, 07:28:22 AM »
Unloaded is into 10M probe+10^12 ohm meter

OK here is a pdf of the silver vs the 'secret' electrode.
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MarkE

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« Reply #184 on: July 17, 2014, 09:20:37 AM »
Quote from: pomodoro on July 17, 2014, 07:28:22 AM
Unloaded is into 10M probe+10^12 ohm meter

OK here is a pdf of the silver vs the 'secret' electrode.
Thanks.
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profitis

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« Reply #185 on: July 17, 2014, 09:37:37 AM »
Excellent pomodoro the manhatten test not only matched expectations but exceeded them too.6mA! Are you saying there was around 6mA/cm2 at the top of curve from the gadget pomodoro?
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« Reply #186 on: July 17, 2014, 10:09:27 AM »
3mA/cm2, the Pt has 2 faces.    , but I think the Ag area is the limiting factor. 

Here is the latest test,  I'll know the results tomorrow, then I need to take a break for a while..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b4Bgbj95lA
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MarkE

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« Reply #187 on: July 17, 2014, 10:21:30 AM »
Nice.  Thanks for all the work that you have done.
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profitis

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« Reply #188 on: July 17, 2014, 11:01:35 AM »
Right yes.now imagine what a cm3 is going to do.that first scopeshot illustrates clearly the selfcharging capabilities of the gadget.take a rest pomodoro we need to discuss things
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profitis

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« Reply #189 on: July 17, 2014, 11:03:28 AM »
I'm glad that we staked the historical claim otherwise somebody else was going to do it sooner or later.
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MarkE

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« Reply #190 on: July 17, 2014, 11:25:28 AM »
Quote from: profitis on July 17, 2014, 11:01:35 AM
Right yes.now imagine what a cm3 is going to do.that first scopeshot illustrates clearly the selfcharging capabilities of the gadget.take a rest pomodoro we need to discuss things
It shows that a cell that is continuously supplied with feed stock repolarizes after being loaded down.  The tests with the "secret electrode" should give you pause.  Do they simply reflect in an accelerated time frame what is going to happen with the Ag electrode?
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profitis

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« Reply #191 on: July 17, 2014, 11:30:14 AM »
Lol so tell us what's going to be 'usedup' in a sealed system then mark E.its a karpen cell,how long do you expect it to last?
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profitis

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« Reply #192 on: July 17, 2014, 11:53:51 AM »
If I knew what the dud electrode material was then I could tell you straight why it failed
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« Reply #193 on: July 17, 2014, 12:14:57 PM »
The secret electrode was graphite
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MarkE

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« Reply #194 on: July 17, 2014, 01:07:36 PM »
Quote from: profitis on July 17, 2014, 11:30:14 AM
Lol so tell us what's going to be 'usedup' in a sealed system then mark E.its a karpen cell,how long do you expect it to last?
You claim to be an electrochemist?  Really?  You have a cell, feed stock in the form of hydrogen is continuously admitted to the cell during the experiment and you assert that the system is closed?  Really?

The experiment makes no attempt to assay materials after it has run.  As an alleged practicing professional, on what basis do you claim that there is evidence that oxidation / reduction did not take place within the cell?  Or alternatively that electrons could move through the external circuit without oxidation/reduction taking place in the cell?  What do you claim that pomodoro's very nice experiment shows that is out of the ordinary?
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