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« Reply #330 on: July 29, 2014, 03:58:23 PM »
That's the least of worries mr pomodoro,there's plenty types glass,plastics,ceramics nowdays(what do they make NiMh batteries with?).our only worry is to show a stable overpotential diff over a period of about a week.a fuel cell without air is all we need to make to nail it down.

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« Reply #331 on: July 29, 2014, 04:03:49 PM »
We should record the days ambient temp aswell to get an idea of performance.perhaps the sample dropped to 16uA today and will rise to 2OuA tomor then 18uA the next.I'm already confidant with the latest data,it seems to have equilibriated.

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« Reply #332 on: July 29, 2014, 09:56:14 PM »
I was thinking that the "eternal" part of Karpenns cell is perhaps being mis-considered
here. Only the original Karpenns Cells needed to be "eternal" because that was a signal
flag, as it were, that there was a super chemical energy potential reaction going on.
This was because almost no-matter how low the energy drain of the depolarizing
load device was, eventually it would require more than the total chemical potential energy
originally in the cell when it was started long years ago, to have been operational for as
long as it was.

So the progeny of Karpenns Cell should have to exceed only the calculated
quantative analytical total amount of chemical energy available at the start
because that can reasonably be estimated, for it to be operationally useful
in tapping into the 2lot thermal energy to support its operating cost.  There
are actual reasons *against* mass producing "eternal" functioning systems
having to do with electronic systems continuing to run after they have
exceeded their useful lives and having been scrapped.

For reasons listed below I feel that 2lot violations may be only a side effect of the
system operation and that atomic transmutations will eventually leave the chemical
system contaminated, anyway, after a very long period of time.

It is a fact of science; "That hydrogen atoms compressed to 200 atmospheres and placed
in a metal tank - thermal neutrons come out of it. It's been calculated that PEP-II
neutrinoes have the exact energy required to do this operation Think of what the formation
of a electrically neutral particle from a protium ion and an electron looks like from the
standpoint of the chemistry of the tank. This is not an operation common in normal
chemistry.

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« Reply #333 on: July 29, 2014, 11:19:11 PM »
There is even no need for calculations @markscoffman.who ever heard of a battery that maintains its full voltage and wattage after 60years?even without discharge? Its unheard of to have any battery that has absolute zero self-discharge.a 1000year shelf-life.all batteries self-discharge over the years and drop in wattage and voltage on just standing and doing nothing!

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« Reply #334 on: July 29, 2014, 11:32:27 PM »
Your reasons against mass production may very well be true but thers ways to manufacture to ensure limited lifespans.

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« Reply #335 on: July 30, 2014, 08:44:25 AM »
Found cell very weak, frothy electrolyte and the silver electrode had the gray deposit easily wiped off. For now going to try copper with stirring and no bubbling of hydrogen.

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« Reply #336 on: July 30, 2014, 09:06:10 AM »
Copper cell being shorted is allowed to recherge and discharged through 6kohm galvanometer

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« Reply #337 on: July 30, 2014, 12:05:49 PM »
Focus on the Pd/Ag Ni/Ag pomodoro,success is certain with those 2.its just a matter of playing around til u get it right.we must try get back to 16uA constant bottom of discharge.that is already indicative of total success.reanodize-cathodize the Ag in Na2CO3 for more surface area.your experiment with copper is expected  to be weak power.

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« Reply #338 on: July 30, 2014, 02:11:13 PM »
I need stability for a start. Silver is losing power for whatever reason. If Cu is stable I can tinker with it and tackle Ag again. I tried carbonate treatment. Worked very well initially but again failed overnight.

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« Reply #339 on: July 30, 2014, 03:21:03 PM »
All of these cells should theoreticaly lose power all way down to a few micros on constant short-circuit discharge.its the accumulative wattage at the top of a well rested cell curve that matters most from a practical pov.I see your palladium is a bit too much underneath electrolyte in this experiment but at least some is exposed.I see you didn't blacken your copper either but ok this just to chek 4 stability.

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« Reply #340 on: July 30, 2014, 03:28:53 PM »
You might want 2 try blacken silver in HCl aq but you must cathodize hectic and rinse dam fast(hot water) to avoid re-oxidation in air exposure.its possible that the black layers were loose and actually insulating our silver from electrolyte,most of my success came from grey spongey adherent coats.your prior method of discharge of a h2/ag2o cell seems best way to get adherent coat

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« Reply #341 on: July 30, 2014, 03:32:40 PM »
Chek if you get a precipitation with KOH vs NaOH I've got a feeling of bicarbonates forming(CO2 impurity frm your H2 ) which will salt out of concentrated base.just bubble ur gas straight thru respective bases in a beaker.chek if the mystery nuisance precipitate dissolves in excess h2o this will give massive clue

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« Reply #342 on: July 31, 2014, 02:21:36 PM »
Copper test was a success.  Nothing changed overnight. Electrolyte still clear,  1ma meter gets slam dunked after recovery.
Nickel plated copper but got much smaller voltage and weak current. Its too similar in characteristics to Pd with H2. Stripped off Ni  and plated pure Ag. So far a bit better than Cu but not greatly at equilibrium but has more punch when discharged. Perhaps other silver electrodes were impure, hence the ppt.  I know plated metal is not going to last but using it for short term tests.

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« Reply #343 on: July 31, 2014, 03:40:47 PM »
Exellent pomodoro.I think its our surface prep of silver that's messing us around.etch that silver in HNO3,rinse,then shove it into next test(don't anodize-cathodize)it will be stable.main priority now is just stability.keep the copper experiment going meantime let's see what happens..

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« Reply #344 on: July 31, 2014, 03:42:53 PM »
Don't jump anymore between experiments when we have stability.let's put the test of time now..

 

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