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« Reply #225 on: July 18, 2014, 02:20:22 PM »
Use NaOH solution and Al for pure H2.or electrolysis.never ever use H2 generated from H2SO4 or sulphates,some reduction to H2S takes place.

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« Reply #226 on: July 18, 2014, 02:28:13 PM »
If there's no H2S in that bottled H2 then its fine we can use it.just chek for H2S pomodoro.save the hassle of having to setup own H2 generator.

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« Reply #227 on: July 18, 2014, 02:37:57 PM »
Bubble through Pb(NO3)2 solution aswell to check for H2S.no lead will precipitate.

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« Reply #228 on: July 18, 2014, 03:01:07 PM »
I'll do those h2s checks and see what I can invent with some glassware. Profit is, what metals aside from Pt can I fuse with glass?

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« Reply #229 on: July 18, 2014, 03:07:35 PM »
If you can rule out H2S in our H2 supply it boils down to 1)O2 contamination at the cathode.2)improperly cohesioned palladium.3)insufficient surace area on silver.just these 3

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« Reply #230 on: July 18, 2014, 03:09:23 PM »
Fuse Ag,gold,or Cu wire through glass pomodoro

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« Reply #231 on: July 18, 2014, 03:12:15 PM »
Pt wire will leak H2 through glass very slowly.its ok if we are doing temporary tests.

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« Reply #232 on: July 18, 2014, 03:16:36 PM »
Fuse bare wires not laminated ne.laminations peel.electrolyte creeps.clean all wires in dil HNO3 before fusing.no dirt,preferably rough etched where fuse joint is to avoid pulling wire loose later

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« Reply #233 on: July 18, 2014, 03:28:13 PM »
Which country are you in pomodoro cmon tell me (-:

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« Reply #234 on: July 18, 2014, 08:39:05 PM »
I think I found problem pomodoro.the reference electrode salt bridge electrolyte was contaminating our electrolyte with Cl- ion.Cl- ion poisoning our cathode.abandon all reference electrodes in the setup from now on.they are not needed.

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« Reply #235 on: July 18, 2014, 09:38:42 PM »
How much chloride ion can leak through this salt bridge in the middle of this ref electrode.that is the question.

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« Reply #236 on: July 19, 2014, 02:30:48 AM »
The junction has KNO3.   In any case the main problem is oxygen. There is a video which I have not uploaded as yet that shows the  Ag karpen charge up to 900mv as soon as the hydrogen bubbler is removed and air allowed entrance .
The next karpen will be smaller, kept shorted ,sealed with visual means of observing a positive pressure inside it from the hydrogen.

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« Reply #237 on: July 19, 2014, 09:44:02 AM »
Ok.If we can just get the same V that the chinese got with Pt/Au(not Pd in their study paper) 0.45v and at least one mA/cm2 and permanent.. Then we can pop the shampaigne corks.you now see how difficult it is just to contain H2 without a leak.you also now see how impossible it is if one doesn't know ones electrochemistry quite thoroughly.experience and knowledge are necessary.

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« Reply #238 on: July 19, 2014, 09:51:32 AM »
Reference KNO3 wouldve also caused probs,its an oxidizer.

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« Reply #239 on: July 19, 2014, 11:13:47 AM »
 a U-bulb like this with borosilicate is easy if you have a lab.you can cntrol how much H2 you want sealed by size of bulb at the anode.the cathode side is last to be sealed with gas burner.this can be done very easy with plastic instead of glass.

 

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