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Author Topic: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%  (Read 301971 times)

Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #450 on: September 02, 2014, 08:38:16 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Z1S_1GlxA&list=UUNvxm6pTplRsUUOPEuDM8eg

This video of turkey and the video of Chas Campbell indicates to me that the Lead out theory is real,

The machine works by barely noticeable lobe on the yellow reflector, wich causes pulley squeeze and pulling, read my analysis back in this thread.

Thus creating pulses of tangantial force.

http://www.filedropper.com/dissection ( my dissection of chas campbell)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgk0HfXhU9M

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #450 on: September 02, 2014, 08:38:16 PM »

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #451 on: September 12, 2014, 12:46:32 AM »
Very interesting webby1

Looking forward to more tests

Thanks for sharing

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #452 on: September 14, 2014, 06:02:35 PM »
Still watching with great interest, thanks Webby for continuing to post your efforts.   8)  Time limits prevent me from building at the moment but I'm still squeezing in some schooling on gyroscopes and I recently scored a sweet set of teflon gears that will serve well in a complete quad-unit Skinner build - eventually.

I think your speculation about the unit producing an excess torque is probably correct.  Hazarding a wild guess, I suspect the machine separates inertial and gravitational mass behaviors and the difference results in that extra torque.

One thing that concerns me about my current gyroscopic perspective is the very low speeds that Skinner probably used (we can't assume the machine was actually at operational speed in the Pathe film, but it seems likely).  Gyro behavior is almost nil at low speeds of rotation so that might be a fatal flaw in a gyro theory of Skinner's device.  I'm counting on the mechanics being sensitive to very small forces and from what I've seen in my own and other people's models, that does seem to be the case.

I agree with your observation about the shift in position of the weights during operation. (if I'm reading you right).  While at rest the upper weight falls to the lowest point, directly below the gimbaled driving rod.  At full speed the upper weight is flying in a position approaching 180 degrees opposite of the resting point, and of course as it travels to that point the lower weight goes with it.  Once that transition is over, the device settles into its operating groove but still with some interesting oscillations in speed and position - interesting as clues to operation but undesirable in a working unit since they represent wasted power.

I'm not sure if it was this thread or the other at EF, but somewhere David Quirey noted that his double unit ran at reduced power input compared to his single unit model.  That makes me think that due to the masses being 90 deg out of phase with each other, Skinner's quad embodiment might be necessary to cancel enough oscillations to permit a level of efficiency where OU becomes apparent.



 

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #453 on: October 20, 2014, 04:14:22 AM »
I started a build 3 days ago. I got 25lbs rotating at 60 rpms using 12v and .15amps. My problems is when I connect to a 12"  pulley on the main shaft going to a 2" pulley on a motor/generator it dies. The motor/ gen is 36v 500 watts. This motor is  hard to turn by hand so that's got to be it.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #454 on: October 26, 2014, 02:19:59 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zayyIlqhAkU&feature=youtu.be

Hi, this is my attempt at a simple style Skinner device. I had poor results. When I added any load the tilt plate stalled.
I look forward to other attempted results.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #455 on: October 27, 2014, 01:24:40 AM »
 I have one working. I'm using a 24v motor with gear reduction to drive the weights. I have 28lbs of weight. One 12" pulley on the drive shaft going to a 3" pulley on a DC motor as a generator. Right now it's 60 to 70 rpm and getting 3.49 V out of the generator. But the math is right. 3.49 V at 240 rpm is right for this motor/generator.

drive motor
http://mikromotorcu.com/index.asp?FKN=393&FKNAd=MERKLE-KORFF%2024%20V%20DC%20MOTOR&FKat=1&FKatAlt=8   

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Model: MY1020 Motor By Unite Motor Co., Ltd.
Type: Brush
Voltage: 36 Volt DC
Rated Speed: 2500-3000 Rpm
Rated Current: 18.3 Amp
Output: 500 Watts
will post more when I get a 20" pulley working.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #456 on: October 27, 2014, 11:32:29 AM »
When you're working on a gravity based device, just have in mind that gravity is a constant that pulls the weights towards the ground at equal force no matter where the weigts are present. This will therfor result in a net potential energy of absolute zero in one revolution. Hence no energy out. Using gears etc to spend less force to lift anything, will only cause an equal increase in time, which in turn results in the same total hight the weight is lifted. Hence no excess energy.


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #456 on: October 27, 2014, 11:32:29 AM »
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #457 on: October 31, 2014, 02:00:14 AM »

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #458 on: October 31, 2014, 05:36:30 PM »
Hi!

In wanting to draw attention to the need for research and more opened minds to free energy and doing a lecture about it to a school, I found Patrick Kelly's description of this device and it captivated me. It's like reversing a linear motor concept back into a circular motion and one's gut feeling is that if the top shaft is directing rather than driving, then something interesting might happen . . .

I tried simply with a pole and a weight on an arm and it feels as though it should work just as MoRo posts with his video with a wheel. Genegene's experience will be most interesting and look forward to hearing more.

Best wishes

2020

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #459 on: November 01, 2014, 12:15:49 AM »
Hey MoRo,,

How are those talented assistants doing?

Long time since I have seen you post.
Hey webby1 and all others!


Thanks! They are doing great and growing up fine.


I definitely will have more videos to share on this device! I'm working now on a frame and an accurate and scientific way to measure torque in versus torque out. Will definitely find out if this is truly a torque amplifier or not. If it is, that would be a game changer. If you guys want to know what I am thinking then first look at this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97rBdSYbkg


Then think of a large unit at the bottom producing massive torque and progressively smaller units above it! with the very top small unit being driven with a very tiny motor, and the gravitational chain reaction driving each successively bigger one!  ;D


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #460 on: November 01, 2014, 04:43:28 AM »
Then think of a large unit at the bottom producing massive torque and progressively smaller units above it! with the very top small unit being driven with a very tiny motor, and the gravitational chain reaction driving each successively bigger one!  ;D


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Hi!

I don't think it's a matter of torque in at the top - one wants to put next to no energy in there - just direct it, lean the pole, let the weight want to fall and do the work. The pole simply has to lean forward, at 90 degrees to the arm and follow the arm round rather than lead it or drive it.

For this reason stacking them won't work, I'm sure but excess electrical energy should come out of the bottom with the idea of that powering the directing motors on others

Best wishes

2020

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #461 on: November 01, 2014, 05:06:23 AM »
Just close the loop already and see what happens.
Small motor for input and a generator for output then link them together.
If the generator can run the small input motor then it will be a self running machine :)
Use appropriate weights.
I’m thinking you would have to started by hand then let the machine run itself.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #462 on: November 01, 2014, 06:21:34 AM »
Hi!

I don't think it's a matter of torque in at the top - one wants to put next to no energy in there - just direct it, lean the pole, let the weight want to fall and do the work. The pole simply has to lean forward, at 90 degrees to the arm and follow the arm round rather than lead it or drive it.

For this reason stacking them won't work, I'm sure but excess electrical energy should come out of the bottom with the idea of that powering the directing motors on others

Best wishes

2020
On the contrary, even with my bare hands I can detect that torque around the center point is definitely an input function, in order to get the mass to accelerate. It doesn't just fall, you must also stay some degree ahead of it for it to continue to accelerate. Any load applied to the output would counter this acceleration by lifting the mass as it goes out of angular phase with the input shaft. The greater the rotational degree that you stay ahead of the mass, the more output torque you get. (up to 90 degrees out of phase for maximum possible output torque). However one must also consider that there is another force that comes into play besides gravity after the mass begins to rotate and also works to keep the mass in phase with the angle of the input shaft. That is centrifugal force. So it is imperative to take a torque measurement to determine the truth of the mater.

So the question IS whether there is a torque difference between the input and the output wile maintaining a constant angle out-of-phase positioning of the mass from that of the input shaft. This should be tested in both a static and dynamic fashion.

« Last Edit: November 01, 2014, 02:16:06 PM by MoRo »

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #463 on: November 03, 2014, 11:03:18 PM »
some little math on it...

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #464 on: November 03, 2014, 11:40:49 PM »
COP=8.5 when there is no friction or some thing. this is only one of the stages, if you build it like W. Skinner there will be COP=8.5*8.5 but if no friction is present!

 

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