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Author Topic: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%  (Read 314884 times)

Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #420 on: July 20, 2014, 11:43:23 AM »
Making a tiny build would be a good idea, it would be a beautiful Dimitriev variation, an inverted  design.

On another note, I like this epicyclic drive I showed you guys, I have a couple ideas with that, I think this is what Jim Murray was doing, that crappy picture he showed he called "torque doubler".

Bobby amarasingham was doign a nice method too. Nice things from him :)

So many designs...

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #421 on: July 23, 2014, 09:39:57 PM »

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« Reply #422 on: July 23, 2014, 10:50:57 PM »
Its basicly, 25% inspired by this video by purelyprimitives. I am pretty sure that he saw the video, he goes on the net and checks out FE videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0O0YKsBXUY&list=UUky8Hqzkspvmgw51osyKnaw

A few days ago I thought to myself, this pendulum idea is nice, but in double form would be even better, and there you go, see valy video few days later.

A double resonant device would be quite an  operation to get it to sync, 2 motors  out of phase via encoders, unless this can be done with help of neighbor and lucky timing

In hind-sight, I dont think my pulse idea with rotating bob would have been great, good maybe, but adds much complexity.

Perhaps he knew this and modded the pivot, and replaced by inverted pendulums, wich add a secondary resonance and more easily controlled by a mechanism.

The lower driving unit is sometype of synchronised driver for the inverted pendulums, does this  pendulumqualify as inverted pendulum ??

Isolate resonance of driver, brg main wheel to resonant speed via motor.

Noonespecial

What you think of the following idea, we take some cheaper motor and gear and freewheel it in the frame ( not with cheap internal gears of drills),
 we take motors and mount a sliding frame as to minimise their weight.

Install reflective encoder and have 2 motors brg themselves to speed but out of synch, then drive wheel.

Would there be a mechanical method to link them ? perhaps find both of the center radius or the motor hinge swing perimeter
and lock the synch by chains and drive by single motor ?? Seems complex, and that their rates would be locked together, wich is bad.

What I am not sure if what is "resonant" control maintenance motor, one that drives big wheel, or 2 smaller ones. Valy is a clever guy.]\
Is he not satisfied with his other model ? Belt not durable enough ?? Ive seen a couple OU videos where the guys have a tensionner, in the middle of a long stretch of belt.

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One thing I notice from the Turkish and Valy and Chas, is that everything is normal, but the tensionner is always homemade,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Z1S_1GlxA

all is just useless delay line, see the gear proportions are entirely useless, pay attention to the evolution of the frame and yellow wheel.
It is not there at first then appears, and it is on sometype of adjustabloe base, then we see a clear focus by the video man on that part
Unfortunately there doesnt seem to be any eccentricity with that yellow wheel, I really wonder what its achieving.

One thing I noticwe that can be totally wrong, I wonder if there is somekind of "confusion", on a sudden pulse of speed, or brake even.
If there is oscillation, what is difference between normal-faster and normal-brake.


« Last Edit: July 24, 2014, 01:06:17 AM by ARMCORTEX »

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #423 on: July 24, 2014, 03:17:11 AM »
Holy shit, I think there could be enough elasticity to get loose enough couple for a single drive mechanism, and make valy with 2 by 4's

Once its locked it dont need constant error feedback individually, so elastic link could be doable. hmmm...

With the ever trusty swinging chain method. ;)




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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #424 on: August 05, 2014, 10:51:25 PM »
Hi All,

I got a message asking if I'm still working on this. I'm a little hesitant to post this because it's not following Skinners design and purists get a little upset when you don't build exact replicas. It's based on similar ideas but using the attraction of magnets instead of heavy mass. It's still work in progress as I've been busy setting up solar for the summer.

Attached is a sneak peek and a image of concepts. The basics; a magnet is static, a hill is static, a magnet can create a static hill, a shifting axis can move the reference point of a static hill. A wheelbarrow full of bricks on a hill only needs to be lifted (static) past the angle of repose to take off down the hill. When your chasing a wheelbarrow full of paver's down the hill the only energy your inputting is the lift and running wildly behind it :). That is the direction I'm headed to create a static hill that the reference location can be shifted by the changing axis, with minimal input from the prime mover. The magnets provide the static lifting by repulsion. The attraction magnets are used to drive the axle as they always want to be pulled to the magnetic base/lowest point of hill.

Hi Armcortex,

Thanks for those videos. In elastic surfaces you might want to check the Woodward effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodward_effect

Here is an interesting patent application that uses a deformable rubber wheel to compress one side while letting the other side expand creating a directed force.

US 2003/0192988: Propulsion device with rotating elastic material

https://www.google.com/patents/US20030192988

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #425 on: August 06, 2014, 02:32:38 AM »

Thanks for those videos. In elastic surfaces you might want to check the Woodward effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodward_effect

Here is an interesting patent application that uses a deformable rubber wheel to compress one side while letting the other side expand creating a directed force.

US 2003/0192988: Propulsion device with rotating elastic material

https://www.google.com/patents/US20030192988
somewhat off topic; but a friend shared a link about an EM drive...
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052
This method originates from Roger Shawyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive)

Not a lot of exact info to replicate independantly... there's a few news articles
http://news.discovery.com/space/private-spaceflight/impossible-space-engine-may-actually-work-nasa-140802.htm  (aug 2)

but again entirely off of gravity drive topic :)

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #426 on: August 08, 2014, 02:54:15 AM »
Hi Webby,

I noticed similar results with using mass, the weight would have to become synchronized or it wouldn't generate any force or become erratic (strong and weak pulses).

I've been shifting more over to Bramkamp's ideas of having the motor a part of the weight that drives the precession. Magnets can be used as a static lifting force and as an offset to aid shifting the mass over the fulcrum. The motor would have to do very little but create a slight displacement over the fulcrum to keep the magnets out of balance.

US 1186966 : Roundabout

https://www.google.com/patents/US1186966

US 4290601 : Wobble plate exercise device and toy

https://www.google.com/patents/US4290601


Hi d3x0r,

Interesting. Wonder if Viktor Grebennikov's beetle used the resonant cavities in the surface to focus background radiation in a similar fashion.

http://www.ermetica.net/pk/?p=174

If the structure were measured it could be 3D printed and slapped on skate boards.  :)

http://www.nanoscribe.de/en/applications/photonics/

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #427 on: August 09, 2014, 07:23:20 PM »





 My final thoughts:

 
The Skinner device could be a scam. The weights never fall. It is a system in balance. For the weight to fall it must be positioned away from its lowest position, in other words, further up the ramp. However every increase in drag angle to meet this criteria is met with a corresponding increase in input power. We view the lower unit as a source when in fact it is a sink.  

 
The dog that didn't bark:

 
The line shaft. Industry knew how to make small motors by 1939 so the line shaft was already obsolete. However it was a hold over from an earlier age of wind, water, and steam, when the prime mover was a localized source. The line shaft spread the source around to the various machines.  

 
So William Skinner's line shaft was powered, probably by an electric motor, in the vicinity of the line shaft...yet it is never shown...but critically, never shown that it is disconnected! The left hand end of the line shaft is never shown.

 
The above is the key, what follows is purely subjective. If you watch flat belt videos of threshing machines and saw mills you can notice that one side of the belt flaps more than the other. This is because one side is in tension, the driving side.  Looking at the drive belt from the line shaft to the gravity machine in the '39 video... the pulley on the machine is turning CW as viewed from Mr Skinner's position. This means that if the machine was driving the line shaft the top of the belt should be under tension, right?  However it appears that the top of the belt has more flap than the lower, as I say subjective, but if the device was the sole source of power to the line shaft, the top of the belt would be taut. What is shown in the video is that it is very possible that the device has two sources of power, the 1/8th horse power motor and the line shaft.
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #428 on: August 10, 2014, 12:21:47 AM »
Knew we couldnt trust this kid from EF, whats his name.

I_ron, now that you are back, I have been studying the chas campbell device, Im gonna make a thread dissecting it.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #429 on: August 10, 2014, 12:41:13 AM »
http://www.overunity.com/14817/purelyprimitives-pendulum-power/#.U-aiGvldV8E

This is a skinner like device, but from our old friend.

I thought I had OU in the video, I guess I was just stupid, obviously the larger wheel is going @ lower rpm.

I shows some strange things, but I cant quite get OU power in the form of HP @ the shaft, I get it in joules/sec.

I believe tho, 2 machines, 90 degress out of phase, we coulld get the pull the highest velocity point of the CF force, all the time. Thus overcoming tendency to desynch and always maintain itself.

thus making OU device.

Its as if it was hopeless, I believe I am to the point where I must try the idea from that shady british guy.

I am a bit devastated, this and Skinner is not 100% in the bank.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #430 on: August 10, 2014, 12:03:07 PM »
wrong thread

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #431 on: August 11, 2014, 06:50:22 AM »
OK, I made a small dissection of the chas campbell video.

I am merging my thread with that of grumage, (hijacking). Old grumage needs help.

We can safely abandon this sinking ship, in favor of more productive discussions.

I firmly believe, that the shaking flywheel device from india, turkey, chas, is the best technology out there. Safe, and very powerful.

http://www.overunity.com/12464/using-chas-cambel-flywheel-system-for-15-horsepower/msg413984/#new

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #432 on: August 12, 2014, 12:51:51 AM »
I really wonder what your brain asks itself, when you are looking @ that skinner array of yours.

I hope you get visions of future upgrades, to fix the problems that I_ron just mentionned.



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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #433 on: August 12, 2014, 02:17:31 AM »
I believe what Skinner found was that 270* there is gain but 90* there is lose.
By using 4 branches he is offsetting  the drain (input), by using the momentum of the other three.
On the backshelf til I can get my automatic feed to work for my rocket heater.
I can heat my house or light some LEDs'
Detours are good.
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #434 on: August 12, 2014, 03:36:40 AM »
I believe what Skinner found was that 270* there is gain but 90* there is lose.
By using 4 branches he is offsetting  the drain (input), by using the momentum of the other three.
On the backshelf til I can get my automatic feed to work for my rocket heater.
I can heat my house or light some LEDs'
Detours are good.
artv

webby1, that is good man, good to know, you may proceed.

Shylo,

No, you make no sense, detours are bad. Are you stupid ?

if they are all disconnected, whatever happens should happen more times than less.

why is 270 better than 90, explain to me your reasoning. So you have figured out machine ?

Care to explain in more than 5 lines... ;D

 

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