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Author Topic: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%  (Read 305177 times)

Just..Sayin..

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #345 on: June 28, 2014, 07:11:25 PM »

If you take a circular track that a steel ball can run around, then create a wobble of that track, the steel ball will continualy go around until you stop that wobble, what is causing the ball to go around?

Answer, gravity, why? because the wobble changed the relation of the center of gravity with that mass. It does not matter how much that steel ball weighs, what matters is how much force is needed to create the wobble, vola.

regards

Mike

You are correct... just watched this video where the gravitational aspect of this device is explained with a small model replication....

Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #345 on: June 28, 2014, 07:11:25 PM »

ARMCORTEX

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #346 on: June 28, 2014, 10:58:56 PM »
Hmm that is also the idea I had in mind, the rolling track with the ball, this is definitely a wobble, reminiscent of godlike breakdancers, this could exlain how they get so much velocity .... (kidding)

But I could be wrong about them being all out of phase, it makes the frame shake a lot imagine 400 pounds... I think this problematic

maybe there is an ''anti-wobble'' opposite, just like many arms in unbalanced wheels. That counteracting makes a lot of sense.

But I definitly think the gimbal needs to be maximised for best rhythm, up and down was kind of glitch, it needs smooooth up and down perfect up and down.

turbogt16v

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #347 on: June 29, 2014, 10:58:48 AM »
http://videobam.com/vDxPm

input 3v could work on 1.5 if made beater ,
will check output later,if less than 60% i give up

Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #347 on: June 29, 2014, 10:58:48 AM »

havuhung

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #348 on: June 29, 2014, 11:11:33 AM »
Hi turbogt16v,
Well, you keep testing power output.

Thanks

gyulasun

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #349 on: June 29, 2014, 11:17:40 AM »
http://videobam.com/vDxPm

input 3v could work on 1.5 if made better ,
will check output later,if less than 60% i give up

You have to estimate pretty well the efficiency of your output convertion too, be it an alternator or generator, whatever.
Unless you do a Prony brake test..  So do not give up yet.

Gyula

Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #349 on: June 29, 2014, 11:17:40 AM »

FreeEnergy

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #350 on: June 29, 2014, 10:51:29 PM »
Hi All,
on youtube there is a video clip of  Dave Q member  Energetic Forum share, explain the working principle of the  Skinner machine 1939...

Outstanding..

Just..Sayin..

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #351 on: June 29, 2014, 10:58:29 PM »
You are correct... just watched this video where the gravitational aspect of this device is explained with a small model replication....

I retract my statement, I could be wrong but I still believe centrifugal force is playing a major role in the output of this device.....

Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #351 on: June 29, 2014, 10:58:29 PM »

gotoluc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #352 on: June 29, 2014, 11:18:36 PM »

Outstanding..

You think?... what is it that's so great?

Luc

FreeEnergy

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #353 on: June 29, 2014, 11:28:39 PM »
You think?... what is it that's so great?

Luc

Not in the mood to discuss at the moment.

Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #353 on: June 29, 2014, 11:28:39 PM »

ARMCORTEX

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #354 on: June 29, 2014, 11:28:55 PM »
Yeah not so good come to think of it, it might just be a fancy double storage unit.

1 kW output woohoo.

A lathe proves nothing, he never patented it, the story about his COP is sketchy.

Too much devices in mind not enough \$, dont need any money pits.

vin onar

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #355 on: June 30, 2014, 05:00:29 PM »
i have built an output stage of this device (Skinner's gravity power) for a test if this device is a feasible one for free energy. It has approx, 50 lbs  of weight with approx. 4 ft of lever (5'7" tall=total height) (all steel) with a flywheel from 2.5 l Subaru engine, the pivot is from a trucks drive shaft, the spinner on top is from Doge GC Idler pulley, the lever or the inline shaft is a natural gas pipe scrap. There is a noticeable difference: It is a little bit harder to turn it through the center shaft connected to the flywheel but is easier to turn through the input lever with a handle that turns 2.5" radius. The centrifugal force seems multiplies the gravitational force of the falling weight. Now I need to build the input stage to couple it with this stage. Right now I'm having fun with it. I'm Learning on how to use the lever, the gravity, centrifugal force and etc.. But one thing I initially observed it seems that it multiplies power to the output shaft through combination of these things. Pls. don't ask me about data. I don't have a way to fully test this contraption yet. The real test will be when I'm done with the input stage with a prime mover and connect a geared  windmill generator to the output. (In which I don't have the budget to buy these parts). All the parts were from scraps.
Also, one thing that I don't know yet is how to post pics and vids for this post.

Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #355 on: June 30, 2014, 05:00:29 PM »

Cisco

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #356 on: June 30, 2014, 06:58:08 PM »
You think?... what is it that's so great?

Luc

Luc,

The observations of the builder, Dave Quirey, are worthwhile pondering--from EU Forum,  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/17195-william-f-skinner-1939-gravity-power-10.html:

William F. Skinner - 1939 Gravity Power
There is no need to attempt to replicate Mr Skinner's device to the last detail.
All that's required is an understanding of the principles involved.
Personally, I believe that they are basically very simple, and I've tried to illustrate them in my schematic drawing.
It is very easy to make an off-centre pivoted weight revolve around its axis.
When the weight is mounted on an inclined shaft, the axis of the shaft only needs to be lifted from its "rest" position, and gravity will apply a turning moment, or torque, via the weight, to the shaft.
The weight can be kept in motion either by turning the upper end of the shaft in a circle (large or small) with an elliptical drive arrangement, or by
simply oscillating a vertical shaft from side to side in its vertical plane.
When I first watched the 1939 movie clip, I noticed both of these methods in
use.
The upper weight being driven by a simple reciprocating drive, and the lower
weight, driven elliptically by the now rotating upper weight.
I have replicated this arrangement very easily with various Meccano models.

An interesting feature of this mechanism is the fact that loading the output drive shaft results in a gravitational response. In other words, if the system is unloaded, the rotating mass is simply acting like a flywheel, storing kinetic energy. Unloaded, the upper weight is chasing the lower.
However, when a load is presented to the output, the upper driving weight starts to overtake the lower weight. This increases the angle of lift and gravity lends a hand. The greater the degree of lift, the greater the gravitational torque produced.
I believe that the combination of leverage and gravitational torque are the keys to extracting over unity power from this device.
I will upload another video to youtube, which I hope will make things abundantly clear :-)

seychelles

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #357 on: July 01, 2014, 04:26:18 PM »
HI ALL, HERE IS MY HUMBLE INPUT TO THIS QUEST .

gotoluc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #358 on: July 01, 2014, 05:53:48 PM »
i have built an output stage of this device (Skinner's gravity power) for a test if this device is a feasible one for free energy. It has approx, 50 lbs  of weight with approx. 4 ft of lever (5'7" tall=total height) (all steel) with a flywheel from 2.5 l Subaru engine, the pivot is from a trucks drive shaft, the spinner on top is from Doge GC Idler pulley, the lever or the inline shaft is a natural gas pipe scrap. There is a noticeable difference: It is a little bit harder to turn it through the center shaft connected to the flywheel but is easier to turn through the input lever with a handle that turns 2.5" radius. The centrifugal force seems multiplies the gravitational force of the falling weight. Now I need to build the input stage to couple it with this stage. Right now I'm having fun with it. I'm Learning on how to use the lever, the gravity, centrifugal force and etc.. But one thing I initially observed it seems that it multiplies power to the output shaft through combination of these things. Pls. don't ask me about data. I don't have a way to fully test this contraption yet. The real test will be when I'm done with the input stage with a prime mover and connect a geared  windmill generator to the output. (In which I don't have the budget to buy these parts). All the parts were from scraps.
Also, one thing that I don't know yet is how to post pics and vids for this post.

Thanks for your post  vin onar

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Thanks for sharing and looking forward to seeing your build

Luc

gotoluc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #359 on: July 01, 2014, 05:54:52 PM »
HI ALL, HERE IS MY HUMBLE INPUT TO THIS QUEST .

Thanks for sharing

Luc