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Author Topic: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%  (Read 303248 times)

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #315 on: June 27, 2014, 04:37:28 AM »
Just thinking out loud here....  Everyone is excited about this machine and the reason is because we could potentially take a strip off a bar on a laithe with a 1/8 horse motor.  And this must be overunity!  This is the only reason that we are excited about the video right? 

Has anyone tried to peel a strip off of a mild bar with a 1/8 horse motor? 

With a sharp tool,  the right gearing, and the right bar,  a 1/8 horse motor will do the job long enough to make this film.......   No?

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #316 on: June 27, 2014, 05:04:41 AM »
Update,

Elliptical mechanism in operation without lever connected: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn_gI1Ae6d8

Elliptical mechanism failed to operate correctly with lever connected: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4wvNRO4_MU

This mechanism needs too much precision for experiments.

I'm also starting to think 2 gravity units 180 degrees out of phase may be required to balance out the motor (prime mover) input.
Also we don't understand how the primary input mechanism is made, so we're working in the dark.
I'm now starting to think the input mechanism is connected to the lever shaft rotation. You can see when Mr. Skinner turns the lever by hand and the input pulley turns. I've noticed this for a while but it didn't connect till now.

Luc
Hi gotoluc,
In this picture detail (focus), I do not know the exact name for it! Its mission might help smooth shaft lever movement in any direction. . . In the middle of the box you do not see clearly similar details! . .

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #317 on: June 27, 2014, 05:24:04 AM »
I agree that the video is garbage and this had the smell of familiarity.

We are in the dark totally, like you say, you are already hinting.

Gotoluc I recommend you look more into the teachings of Dimitriev..

Let him, satisfy your curiosity.

And for those video lovers, he made alot of videos.





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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #317 on: June 27, 2014, 05:24:04 AM »
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #318 on: June 27, 2014, 01:55:02 PM »
Hi Luc,

I treated this like a major breakdown at a local factory, where I have been sought out many times by engineers when the S**t hits the fan, even at 1am. Well here it is, and the most likely the method used by Skinner.  The simplest, cheapest and the most elegant, a design solution an engineer in 1939 would have used. The exact materials and parts William possibly used, I still have on the drawing board.

Regards Arto 

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #319 on: June 27, 2014, 04:16:29 PM »
Just thinking out loud here....  Everyone is excited about this machine and the reason is because we could potentially take a strip off a bar on a laithe with a 1/8 horse motor.  And this must be overunity!  This is the only reason that we are excited about the video right? 

Has anyone tried to peel a strip off of a mild bar with a 1/8 horse motor? 

With a sharp tool,  the right gearing, and the right bar,  a 1/8 horse motor will do the job long enough to make this film.......   No?

If you look closely the device turns a large belt that turns a large shaft attached to the ceiling which has other belts attached to drill press, cut off saw and lathe.  The losses on all these belts would be greater than 1/8 HP. Notice he uses a string to couple the 1/8 hp electric motor to the first pulley. To me this would indicate that he is not even using all the motors available torque.

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #319 on: June 27, 2014, 04:16:29 PM »
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Offline gotoluc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #320 on: June 27, 2014, 04:20:40 PM »
Hi gotoluc,
In this picture detail (focus), I do not know the exact name for it! Its mission might help smooth shaft lever movement in any direction. . . In the middle of the box you do not see clearly similar details! . .

It's called a gimbal

Other than that I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #321 on: June 27, 2014, 04:41:07 PM »
Luc


The top drive is important, but not complicated, I need to draw it well for you to see but I will try to explain.


There is a steel circular plate which has a 90 degree cross of steel bar attacked at the center of the cross to a bearing on that plate off set by an amount so as the plate turns in a circule and that center of the cross moves around like a cam. This makes the ends of those bars move in and out at 180 degrees to one another.


On the ends of those bares are a bent cam, one end to the bar and the other end to the top of the rod which goes to the gimal, these connections are free moving in a circule.


If you look at the 33sec part of the main video you will notice that the motor is running and those rods do not move, it will have that effect until you move the top weight to start the overall movement "very clever". It works on the same principle as pushing someone on a swing just to keep the movement and nothing else. The rest of the system works on those weights "falling" and nothing else. The amount of energy needed is so little to keep it going "like the swing".


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All will become clear when I can get all the drawings and pdf done ;)


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #321 on: June 27, 2014, 04:41:07 PM »
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #322 on: June 27, 2014, 05:09:18 PM »
Hope this helps


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #323 on: June 27, 2014, 05:13:08 PM »
Hi Luc,

I treated this like a major breakdown at a local factory, where I have been sought out many times by engineers when the S**t hits the fan, even at 1am. Well here it is, and the most likely the method used by Skinner.  The simplest, cheapest and the most elegant, a design solution an engineer in 1939 would have used. The exact materials and parts William possibly used, I still have on the drawing board.

Regards Arto

Hi Arto,

I must say I like this idea the most of all that has been presented. Thank you for pushing it further. You are very talented in mechanics.

I'm still wondering if we could be missing something. Look at the Movement 1 looped videos attached and the Hand movement 2 video attached to the next post.

The problem I still have is, if we say the upper lever shaft  is free to TURN on its own axis and that turning movement is not attached to the upper elliptical mechanism, then why does the upper lever shaft turn when Mr. Skinner removes the tread which causes a slight turn of the first pulley (after motor) see first video loop.

And why does the same pulley turn when he turns the lever by hand by 1/4 turn? see second video.

Could this not be a clue?  or do you think this is 100% explainable?

Thanks for your help

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #323 on: June 27, 2014, 05:13:08 PM »
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #324 on: June 27, 2014, 05:16:16 PM »
Second video attached

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #325 on: June 27, 2014, 05:17:34 PM »
At the beginning of the main video you can see these cams on the end of the bar moving, look hard, not good quality, but they are there moving and you can just see that cross bar as well moving, but the angle is bad, but that is how he did it ;)


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #326 on: June 27, 2014, 05:27:00 PM »
First video is just his arm pushing on the plate/bar to weight


Second video he has the relation of those cams at the drive just at that point of push. It's as I have said, there is a point where a little energy goes in to keep it going.


If you think about how I have drawn it, there is going to be a point (change of direction of cams) where some drive coinsides with the weight movement (that little push)


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #327 on: June 27, 2014, 05:45:35 PM »
It's called a gimbal

Other than that I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Luc
Hi gotoluc,
I guess that the inside of the gimbal structure, at both ends of it could be two springs, for the purpose of calming force from shock caused bar lever shaft. . .

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #328 on: June 27, 2014, 05:47:35 PM »
Luc


The top drive is important, but not complicated, I need to draw it well for you to see but I will try to explain.


There is a steel circular plate which has a 90 degree cross of steel bar attacked at the center of the cross to a bearing on that plate off set by an amount so as the plate turns in a circule and that center of the cross moves around like a cam. This makes the ends of those bars move in and out at 180 degrees to one another.


On the ends of those bares are a bent cam, one end to the bar and the other end to the top of the rod which goes to the gimal, these connections are free moving in a circule.


If you look at the 33sec part of the main video you will notice that the motor is running and those rods do not move, it will have that effect until you move the top weight to start the overall movement "very clever". It works on the same principle as pushing someone on a swing just to keep the movement and nothing else. The rest of the system works on those weights "falling" and nothing else. The amount of energy needed is so little to keep it going "like the swing".


regards


Mike 8)


All will become clear when I can get all the drawings and pdf done ;)

Thanks Mike,

that could very well be the way he did it. What ever he did, one thing is quite clear to me now is, the actions of the two 180 degrees out of phase lever sets would return a push on the other set. Only mechanical friction losses should be the input losses.

This Mr. Skinner was smart!... If we can get this to work we should honor him with Doctor of mechanics and gravity.

Now, the problem I have is I would need a second build to prove this 180 degree out of phase push pull action is what's needed but I don't think I can afford to make another set :-[

Thanks for sharing

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #329 on: June 27, 2014, 08:17:17 PM »
Here is the center section B


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