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Author Topic: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%  (Read 303247 times)

Offline Artoj

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #300 on: June 23, 2014, 03:20:47 AM »
Hi Luc

Just one more for the road, this should the the easiest to implement, the spring is vital as it keeps the  5" arm going in a small arc of about 43.43 degrees, this device would be the best way to make an ellipse from a few pivots, this could even be the system used by Skinner., regards Arto.



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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #301 on: June 23, 2014, 06:57:20 AM »
Not with the mechanism you suggested!... did you know it needs 2 drive gears and going in opposite directions for it to work?... guess I trusted it would adapt to my single gear and didn't realize until 16 hours of building and after I installed it.

Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e8jUYrjOAU&feature=youtu.be

I'm going to be taking a break as I've been at this for 13 days straight 12 hours a day.

Luc
Hi gotoluc,
Sorry, as I have proposed to you how to create mechanical motion ellipse, but the omission is I have no specific interpretation of the extra textures to make it work! for example: in the previous clip illustrates the lack of actuators required!                  :(

Here is a clip that can illustrate more understandable, but I'm not sure what because it needs to have structure in the planetary gear unit. . . require precise mechanical processing!
    http://youtu.be/epe2NegB_lQ

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #302 on: June 23, 2014, 03:02:33 PM »
Hi gotoluc,
need to add an intermediate shaft to the drive bearings fixed to the walls of your box, upper shaft sprocket wheel has pressed from the outer surface of the leash near the electric motor; the lower end of the structure is a trapezoidal transmission pulley to pulley arm on disk.  The figure below:

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #302 on: June 23, 2014, 03:02:33 PM »
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #303 on: June 23, 2014, 03:10:20 PM »
Hi everyone,

thank you all for your input and new ideas. I appreciate all the help.
I'm away for most of the day but tonight I'll review it all.

Thanks again

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #304 on: June 23, 2014, 09:13:31 PM »
Okay, I had the time to review all the ideas and have decided to go with havuhung (above post) idea since it can salvage the work I've already done. Good recovery on your part havuhung, thanks.

I wish to thank Artoj for all his ideas and drawings. I'm sure others who haven't built the elliptical assembly could consider the drawings and the above as a simple option.

I would also like to thank ARMCORTEX for a good idea which is not complicated to build: http://www.overunity.com/14655/1939-gravity-power-multiply-power-by-1200/msg407464/#msg407464

and thank you to alfilmx for the simplest of solution: http://www.overunity.com/14655/1939-gravity-power-multiply-power-by-1200/msg407524/#msg407524 
Please note one would need the ellipse groove to be about 1 inch deep so the shaft does not hit bottom when it comes in the narrow area of the ellipse since the lever becomes higher. Also, this setup would have more friction losses but should be fine for simple proof of concept build. It could of been fine for me if I hadn't built havuhung's first suggestion.

Great job guys

Thanks for sharing

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #305 on: June 23, 2014, 11:44:40 PM »
Havahung, you scumbag !

Now I have a reason to hate you.

I'll remember this !   8)

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #306 on: June 24, 2014, 12:08:54 AM »
My worry with this is that a single array wont allow us to tap into the energy without killing the inertia, same problem that chalkalis faced.


You should try a light load and see if by adjusting the speed of lever @ that exact moment you can re-energize it. I fear that this will be all or nothing, the whole machine, or it dont show any gain.

My theory is that we can make microcontroller unit, pwm feedback drive with encoder feedback, wich will basicly a very responsive subsystem that can control speed perfectly  given the speed order

And a main system that will detect change in lagging weight and send  commands to the subsystem, to  basicly emulate the Skinner upper part.
So a position feedback system detects when we are about to lose control and send new command to subsystem ( wich also has encoder system).
Motor drives can also use current feedback but that always needs to be modeled motor to motor and not as rock solid and universal. Always engineer for wors case when you dont know what you're doing...

If good logic framework is done, it can become basicly extremely flexible system, simply changing a few variables we become equivalent to skinner
machining a new piece.

I would be ready to make this if I see that this is not another joke by Aaron.

Nothing motivates me more than overunity and bragging rights. It wouldnt be really for the money since a bunch of  chinese chip crackers would undercut me.




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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #307 on: June 24, 2014, 03:36:58 AM »
An original picture of the Skinner device was sold on ebay today: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=161346614497

Here is the largest I could make the image before you start seeing pixels

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #308 on: June 24, 2014, 04:00:28 AM »
Hmm can anybody guess ??

From my research there is a moment where energy can be harvested, if I see the chalkalis video.

This about the concept, chalkalis taps the wheel and chalkalis assistant puts wood exactly @ the right place, chalkalis cut wood all day with tap of his hands, or tiny motor.

Now, take bruce lee or conventionnal machine, to cut wood, he is sweating like a mad man. Get it ?? Tac tac with his pinky... but... dont interfere with swing

My best guess is that this is a synchronizer, wich exacts working is not really important, think ''multiphase'', think about overlapping the swings @ all costs

He overlapping the ''OU'' time period of multiple phase shift arrays.

With his asymetric orbit, he overlaps those moments in time, just as rectifier would with tip of phases. All array are out of phase by some degree.

Now comes in ''what orbit'' question... circular, elliptical, square or triangle ?... This is the real question .éé :)


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #308 on: June 24, 2014, 04:00:28 AM »
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #309 on: June 24, 2014, 11:19:39 AM »
Havahung, you scumbag !

Now I have a reason to hate you.

I'll remember this !   8)
Hi ARMCORTEX,
Let's wait and see, people will be happy to  Mr. gotoluc  declared  success test of Skinner machine principle . "Oh! Gravity Power machine Skinner 1939, machine back to life with the energy it creates is real."

Regards
« Last Edit: June 24, 2014, 02:53:14 PM by havuhung »

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #310 on: June 25, 2014, 07:42:44 PM »
Nice pictures Luc


If you look at the second one you can see quite plainly how the top of the botton shaft is made, it is a stub end into the bottom shaft, it has to turn and slightly move in and out of it, not much but it moves, the overall length changes as it moves through the ellipse. I have said this before we knew about this photo, if it doesn't do this it will lock to the input power at its stress point in the ellips.


Pitty we don't have more good quality photos at different angles, especially the top drive of the levers, but I'm sure I have it right.


regards


Mike 8)


PS. I have also worked out that the system controls itself, I have posted this on the EF topic thread, this man was totally brilliant.


regards


Mike 8)

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #311 on: June 25, 2014, 08:41:24 PM »
If you have it right, then plz make the sketch so that we understand the top synchronizer.

If you are a true craftsman, you would know how to make it.

After much deliberation, using logic and elimination, I have concluded that the top part is but a synchroniser, so that one motor can move many different orbits, and that the size and height has nothing to do with needed leverage but by geometrical constraints. And it probably was a pain in the ass to adjust so that it worked well.

Knowing this,its up for debate wich is better, 4 seperate smaller motors that are electronically controlled for an emilation of phase shift, or the top part, with the synchronizer.

To synchronize the proper out of phasing of all ellipse orbits. Because with these gravity devices, only a small window is open for us to tap energy, now  where  that is I dont know, the thin part of ellipse, big part, is there 2 of these windows per orbit each thin part ? 8 small windows of oportuniy.

But if you arrange the phasing right so that the ''window is always open'' on the main shaft, ahhh....






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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #312 on: June 26, 2014, 05:51:58 AM »
The weight motion and base bearing operation resembles that in the bottom cone of the David Hamel 3-cone device.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #313 on: June 27, 2014, 12:09:32 AM »
Update,

Elliptical mechanism in operation without lever connected: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn_gI1Ae6d8

Elliptical mechanism failed to operate correctly with lever connected: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4wvNRO4_MU

This mechanism needs too much precision for experiments.

I'm also starting to think 2 gravity units 180 degrees out of phase may be required to balance out the motor (prime mover) input.
Also we don't understand how the primary input mechanism is made, so we're working in the dark.
I'm now starting to think the input mechanism is connected to the lever shaft rotation. You can see when Mr. Skinner turns the lever by hand and the input pulley turns. I've noticed this for a while but it didn't connect till now.

Luc


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #314 on: June 27, 2014, 03:50:17 AM »

 

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