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Author Topic: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%  (Read 312379 times)

Offline centraflow

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #255 on: June 18, 2014, 08:34:14 PM »
Hi Mike,

I'm quite positive there is no bearing in the mid plate for the upper lever. you can see he has a set screw where the lever enters it.  Have a look at the attached video. You can see the lever is turning exactly with the mid plate, so why have a bearing there when one is at the top of the lever and obviously one in the gimbal?
While you're viewing the video, notice the left lever is swinging in and out as much as the front lever is swinging side to side. I my view his strongly suggest the leave motion is circular.

I'm not trying to contradict you, just bringing to your attention what I have been observing for quite some time.

Luc


could be Luc, I don't think it will make much difference, I originally had it welded there so try it that way to start with. Maybe the set screw was just holding a brass bush as a bearing is not really needed, as I have said it is not powered as such.


Speak tomorrow, late here


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Offline shylo

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #256 on: June 19, 2014, 12:06:58 AM »
I can't tell from the video , but is it possible that it is not a set screw , but a grease fitting?
The input drive  ,I think is quite obvious, rotating while moving in an orbit.
The lower shaft  has to be able to rotate in the plate, but also moves in an orbital pattern not opposite of the upper but offset by ~ 90 degrees.

Centraflow, your drawing is right on.
 
I don't know why everything is being underlined.

Luc  Nice build That's some serious weight ,I noticed that with added weight ,for the same input the speed of the output increased.
Did you try different weights?
 artv

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #257 on: June 19, 2014, 12:43:18 AM »

Luc  Nice build That's some serious weight ,I noticed that with added weight ,for the same input the speed of the output increased.
Did you try different weights?
 artv


Yes, I tried different weights and it does change things but did not study it long enough to confirm anything.

I'm presently modifying the lower shaft and incorporating a universal joint to see if it makes a difference. Should have results of that change tomorrow.

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #258 on: June 19, 2014, 03:48:18 AM »
Update

the universal joint is installed and it makes a big different. It operates much like we see in the film. However, it's too late at night to test it because of the noise. Plus I have to anchor it to the garage cement floor.

Tomorrow I'll do many tests and post the results.

Stay tuned

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #259 on: June 19, 2014, 04:01:06 AM »
Hi gotoluc,
signs of better results of the test on your device.
congratulations

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Offline Craigy

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #260 on: June 19, 2014, 09:39:27 AM »
didn't realise you had no universal joint, no wonder. Should be a whole lot better with it.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #261 on: June 19, 2014, 12:54:27 PM »
to luc

i think there is bearing on mid plate,lever is not fixed to plate,but in video you see the result of sincronisation
and the force needed to pull the plate is bigger if there is no bearing

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Offline i_ron

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #262 on: June 19, 2014, 05:49:01 PM »
I can't tell from the video , but is it possible that it is not a set screw , but a grease fitting?
The input drive  ,I think is quite obvious, rotating while moving in an orbit.
The lower shaft  has to be able to rotate in the plate, but also moves in an orbital pattern not opposite of the upper but offset by ~ 90 degrees.

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 artv



  The inclination of the upper shaft is approximately 7.5 degrees, whereas the drive plate is horizontal.
 The upper shaft therefore passes through the plate at this angle, The rod is fixed, set screw or weld,
what ever, as the weight hangs from this connection so must be firm.


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Centraflow, your drawing is right on.


Should show circular motion, not back and forth


No self align bearing


Weight shown on wrong side of plate


No CV joint in William's machine

Ron






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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #263 on: June 19, 2014, 08:08:50 PM »

  The inclination of the upper shaft is approximately 7.5 degrees, whereas the drive plate is horizontal.
 The upper shaft therefore passes through the plate at this angle, The rod is fixed, set screw or weld,
what ever, as the weight hangs from this connection so must be firm.



Should show circular motion, not back and forth


No self align bearing


Weight shown on wrong side of plate


No CV joint in William's machine

Ron


The motion is eliptical, you are probably right on the self align bearing, probably only a greased bush, the weight I would think would be opposite to the lever rod and does seem so in the video when he moves it by hand.


Not a CV joint as we know it, but I would recommend one now along with a thrust bearing to take that weight, things have improved a lot since 1939. What ever he used at the bottom, the casting is quite high, will have to look up what was available at that time.


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #264 on: June 19, 2014, 08:12:50 PM »
Here is the update with the device using the universal joint on the bottom shaft.

The device performs more like seen in the film but the load is still reflected back to the prime mover. I tried everything I could think of and finally decided to take the upper lever out of the circular drive and turn it by hand while the bottom generator is under load (bulb).

By turning the lever in a circle motion I could feel an equal pressure throughout the 360 degrees and the bulb load would not light.

By turning the lever in an elliptical orbit the top weight would fall and cause a change in angle to the mid plate which would make the bottom weight swing around and the bulb would light for that moment. There is a pressure point at the turning points of the elliptical orbit but there is also an acceleration when the top weight falls, so it may come close to being neutral to the prime mover (other than friction losses) but this remains to be tested.

Now looking for recommendations on how I can easily convert my top gear so the lever is turned in an elliptical orbit to further test this possibility of being the right thing.

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #265 on: June 19, 2014, 08:18:46 PM »
I am pretty shure now that the lever to the plate is a bush. The whole idea is to keep the weights from being directly powered by the motor, for example if you stopped the weights moving, the motor would carry on, the lever would just turn in the bush going through the plate.


I'm trying to put logic into the workings on the basis that the input does not really see the output.


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #266 on: June 19, 2014, 08:26:32 PM »
Here is the update with the device using the universal joint on the bottom shaft.

The device performs more like seen in the film but the load is still reflected back to the prime mover. I tried everything I could think of and finally decided to take the upper lever out of the circular drive and turn it by hand while the bottom generator is under load (bulb).

By turning the lever in a circle motion I could feel an equal pressure throughout the 360 degrees and the bulb load would not light.

By turning the lever in an elliptical orbit the top weight would fall and cause a change in angle to the mid plate which would make the bottom weight swing around and the bulb would light for that moment. There is a pressure point at the turning points of the elliptical orbit but there is also an acceleration when the top weight falls, so it may come close to being neutral to the prime mover (other than friction losses) but this remains to be tested.

Now looking for recommendations on how I can easily convert my top gear so the lever is turned in an elliptical orbit to further test this possibility of being the right thing.

Luc


Exactly luc, it is eliptical, logic tells us that because of the use of a gimbal.


Let me think about your setup, I will have to look at your vid again as to how you have it.


Remember just about all is free wheeling apart from that fulcrum with the cams on either end which is powered by the motor.


regards


Mike 8)

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #267 on: June 19, 2014, 10:28:31 PM »
See a gyroscope (see Wikipedia) is only 1/2 an energy producing device. That is; if the rotor is rotating, then if you
push on the top rotor bearing - only then does the gyroscope push back with limited energy. That's not good enough for an
energy producing device, because you have to put energy in before you get any back out. But let us attach a second
mirror image another gyroscope, this one wobbles under it's own tendency. Then we mechanically compare these two
gyroscopes. This allows us extract energy out of the two (gimbal) based on what the two are doing differently.

The thing is what drives the gyroscopes is a rigid rotating flywheel rotor. Pushing on a bearing should not affect the amount
of energy stored in the rotating rotor flywheel. So the universe is supplying the energy for it to push it's bearing back
upright. So the extra energy you extract should be independent of the rotor energy. That is what the pulsating drive mechanism
does it keeps the flywheel rotor rotating but then disconnects so it nothing affects that rotor energy any longer - until next time.

So rotor losses are minimal but you have extracted extra gain energy that you can integrate back into the turning output shaft.

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But, you say; there are no gyroscopes...Yes there are, based on the solids-of-rotation of the rotating weights. He has 4 units
each one out-of-phase with one another by 90 degrees. These all cancel out error-forces of the each other. For example if
he had eight of these at 45 degrees out of phase each, then the total device would run even smoother. Like calculus-math
as these go to a limit, they approach the operation of a solid rotating rotor. In this case all errors forces would cancel. Virtual
then become real.

() It's as if; at any point in the device there are two different units interacting at that point, the virtual device and
the error device. The virtual device is like the perfect gyroscope, the error device has a bunch of wobbles and vibrations
due to synthesis that you want the mechanism to eat (damp) these before they build up and wreck the device or its cycle.

()Like a electrical wire, as in a mechanical link, forces can flow both ways on any linkage. They can flow all in one direction or they can
be comparators or averagers to force subsystems into synchronization in both directions. That makes it tricky to analyze.

()these devices are linked in a mechanical cycles so they are forced to repeat the same phase space time and time again. Make
some energy once, then don't self destruct, then make some again.

I'm not smart enough to see if all these mechanical laws are inevitably linked in a manner to conserve energy,
which is why experiments make sense.

One thing he needs to be careful with is his electric motor is also a bidirectional linkage as configured.


Offline i_ron

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #268 on: June 19, 2014, 11:26:46 PM »
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Now looking for recommendations on how I can easily convert my top gear so the lever is turned in an elliptical orbit to further test this possibility of being the right thing.

Luc


Luc, just move the top drive off centre, and keep the circle drive... you will get it to speed up and slow down just like an ellipse would.


You will get one pulse per revolution... this is why William has gone to four units, not just for balance but
for a continuous chain of pulses.


Ron


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #269 on: June 20, 2014, 12:01:54 AM »

Luc, just move the top drive off centre, and keep the circle drive... you will get it to speed up and slow down just like an ellipse would.


You will get one pulse per revolution... this is why William has gone to four units, not just for balance but
for a continuous chain of pulses.


Ron


Addendum:  With the centres offset and constant rotation of the red drive circle the top end of the drive
has a greater portion of the circumference to travel on the left side as versus the right side, hence giving
a speeding up and slowing down of the drive rod which is centred on "B"


It is a constantly changing radius, as the radius increases the top of the rod has to travel faster... as the
radius diminishes the rod connection slows down.


Sketch scale exaggerated of course


Ron


 

 

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