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Author Topic: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%  (Read 444631 times)

gotoluc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #240 on: June 18, 2014, 04:03:29 PM »
Quote from: centraflow on June 18, 2014, 03:54:42 PM
Hi Luc


I have to go out but on my return I will write a pdf and a drawing of how I see it (still may not be right), all I can do is put my engineering skills into how it can be done.


The principle is simple, it all works on moving the relation of mass to center of gravity, to move the mass takes too much power, but moving the relation of the center of gravity takes very little and gives you a big gain.


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Mike 8)

Okay Mike, but don't put too much time in a pdf presentation. I would be happy with just answers to the questions (when you have time) after seeing the attached video.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #241 on: June 18, 2014, 04:50:28 PM »
Quote from: gotoluc on June 18, 2014, 05:34:25 AM
Here is the second part of the video demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF-ZlkBw46g&feature=youtu.be

Luc




Hi Luc,


Because the gimbal mounted top shaft works backward to the lower shaft it is somewhat speed related.
At rest the top weight collapses down and in and only above a certain speed will the upper weight fly out
with sufficient force to balance the combined weight of the lower. When at the correct speed and correct weight for both upper and lower will the two forces balance. Your speed is too low at this time.


Ron 




 
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #242 on: June 18, 2014, 05:09:54 PM »
Quote from: i_ron on June 18, 2014, 04:50:28 PM



Hi Luc,


Because the gimbal mounted top shaft works backward to the lower shaft it is somewhat speed related.
At rest the top weight collapses down and in and only above a certain speed will the upper weight fly out
with sufficient force to balance the combined weight of the lower. When at the correct speed and correct weight for both upper and lower will the two forces balance. Your speed is too low at this time.


Ron

Hi Ron,

the drive motor is 24vdc and by using my variac I can feed it any voltage I want to the point I could destruct the device.  Feeding around 14vdc makes the device turn around 60 RPM. I've tried it up to 18vdc and no change. Anything over that voltage you can see it is a much faster speed then what Mr. Skinner was using.

Luc
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #243 on: June 18, 2014, 06:01:59 PM »
Quote from: gotoluc on June 18, 2014, 03:38:05 PM
Well, after reading the above five posts I can see everyone has a different version as to why it doesn't work.

My next test was going to be like Mike is saying.  Before I do that, I would like to hear Mike's thoughts on the below.

Since the lower weight support bar on Mr. Skinner's device turns perfectly horizontal with the frame (see attached video), this would suggest if the shaft does have a universal joint it would be above the support bar, no?... however, we don't see a universal joint there. So how do you explain this?
Let's suppose the universal joint is below the weight support bar, then the only way it would turn horizontal to the frame is if he had welded it at an angle of less then 90 degrees, which would also mean the weight support rod would have to be welded to the bar at more than a 90 degree angle.
Do you think this was done?  as it would be the only explanation as to why the bar is turning horizontal to the frame.

Please explain how this can work with the evidence I've presented.

Thanks for your time

Luc


Hi Luc, just got back home


If you think about the lower rod connected by a CV just below the weight holding bar (could be and probably is a thrust bearing with circular movement, all in one) the movement angle at that point is very small in relation to the other end of the rod. Camera angles can be very deceptive when looking at fixed beams to a moving beam.


The bottom weight is high or long for a reason, that is the angle at the bottom is small in relation to the top end of that weight, think of it in a full turn as a cone upside down, the top has a long way to move to create a full circle, the bottom not so much.


The drive to the centre 90 degree gog assembly I expect is a belt (seems he liked belts, will have a look again at that video), the reason I say that is there are 4 units all driving one output, it will self align, a chain would have to have exact timing one with the other, that said at the moment does not matter.


The gimbal mount and transition plate assembly are I think as I have drawn in the attached, this completly detaches the input from the output and the top weight acts like a sling shot. If you think about it the top weight puts in power as well ;D


Great work Luc, I would be doing this as well, but at the moment I have taken on more than I can chew


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #244 on: June 18, 2014, 06:09:54 PM »
PS.  the lever drive is eliptical and not circular




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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #245 on: June 18, 2014, 06:17:47 PM »
PSS.  the center of gravity that moves in relation to the bottom weight is where the rod connects to the transition plate, from here it is to the top of the bottom weight and from there to the CV joint, it is triangular and moving infinitum in one revolution.


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #246 on: June 18, 2014, 06:33:07 PM »
I should have written that pdf Luc ::)


Note that the top of the bottom weight is exactly at the same level as the bottom of the top weight, I think this is important


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #247 on: June 18, 2014, 06:55:04 PM »
Luc you can skype me if you want, maybe easier.


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #248 on: June 18, 2014, 07:05:48 PM »
Quote from: centraflow on June 18, 2014, 06:09:54 PM
PS.  the lever drive is eliptical and not circular

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Mike 8)

Thanks for your posts Mike

Have you seen this video loop: http://www.overunity.com/14655/1939-gravity-power-multiply-power-by-1200/dlattach/attach/138942/ 

I posted back on page 6. If you look at it on full screen you can clearly see a fixed point arm rotating the upper lever in a circular motion.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #249 on: June 18, 2014, 07:21:57 PM »
Yes I have, but that is a long lever, pivoting bar, with a cam on each end, this is because the rod has a circular movement, free movement, as I have shown in my diagram.


I will draw that top part and then you will see it, it is what gives the eliptical shape to the gimbal


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #250 on: June 18, 2014, 07:26:01 PM »
The top two sections are like sling shots (i'm using the term loosly), all to change that lower center of gravity with nearly no force at all.


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #251 on: June 18, 2014, 07:38:22 PM »
Bad drawing in a hurry, but I think you will get the idea, this is the final stop to the drive seeing the output


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #252 on: June 18, 2014, 07:41:53 PM »
wow I did draw that badly, sorry about that ;D


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #253 on: June 18, 2014, 07:48:20 PM »
once the top weight is moving, the only drive power is used in moving that beam back and forth, and no more, it is that simple


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #254 on: June 18, 2014, 08:24:43 PM »
Hi Mike,

I'm quite positive there is no bearing in the mid plate for the upper lever. you can see he has a set screw where the lever enters it.  Have a look at the attached video. You can see the lever is turning exactly with the mid plate, so why have a bearing there when one is at the top of the lever and obviously one in the gimbal?
While you're viewing the video, notice the left lever is swinging in and out as much as the front lever is swinging side to side. I my view this strongly suggest the leave motion is circular.

I'm not trying to contradict you, just bringing to your attention what I have been observing for quite some time.

Luc
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