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Author Topic: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%  (Read 298752 times)

Offline i_ron

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #225 on: June 18, 2014, 02:52:55 AM »
Seems kind of quiet around here?

Got one video done but where I'm living at this time the internet bandwidth is very limited, so video uploading is very slow and can cut off at any time, then you got to start all over again. To help get it done I divided the video demo in two parts.

Here is the first part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00xIxEQqRsk&feature=youtu.be

The next part may be in two hours or more. Also, this video is unlisted, so you need the link to watch it.

Luc




Nice innovative build Luc, edge of chair until the second vid


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #226 on: June 18, 2014, 03:14:17 AM »
Do you think grease will work better than oil?

Luc

I said grease due to most pillow blocks I've seen have grease fittings but if you use oil? Use a synthetic for it sticks to the parts better.  Grease heats up as in the bearings themselves due to friction and become fluid like to the parts and would do the same in the pillow. That is the main reason I said grease.

Alan

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #227 on: June 18, 2014, 03:16:18 AM »



Nice innovative build Luc, edge of chair until the second vid


Ron

Well Ron, I won't keep you in suspense. There's no detectable gain at this time and I had a feeling there wasn't going to be with the first try. Still many things we need to try.

Did you ever noticed the change in angle of the upper weight when Mr. Skinners device is operating compared to when it's stopped?... I've been thinking that's important and why I started to think the Gravity transfer is coming from the upper weight.

If you think about the way I have my lower shaft bent, its weight does not change, it just goes around much like a flywheel. If this is truly the way Mr. Skinner has his, then you have to consider the influence gravity must be coming from the top weigh and pressing down on the angled bottom shaft. So if that top weight is super heavy and is easy to turn because it shaft turning it is using leaver action but also being pushed back up a little because the bottom shaft is under load, so the weight doesn't fall as long as it's turning and have enough load to keep it up a little.  Would that not transfer gravity in the lower shaft?
Do you follow that?

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #227 on: June 18, 2014, 03:16:18 AM »
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #228 on: June 18, 2014, 04:35:40 AM »
Hi gotoluc,
Thank you.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #229 on: June 18, 2014, 04:47:25 AM »
Well Ron, I won't keep you in suspense. There's no detectable gain at this time and I had a feeling there wasn't going to be with the first try. Still many things we need to try.

Did you ever noticed the change in angle of the upper weight when Mr. Skinners device is operating compared to when it's stopped?... I've been thinking that's important and why I started to think the Gravity transfer is coming from the upper weight.

If you think about the way I have my lower shaft bent, its weight does not change, it just goes around much like a flywheel. If this is truly the way Mr. Skinner has his, then you have to consider the influence gravity must be coming from the top weigh and pressing down on the angled bottom shaft. So if that top weight is super heavy and is easy to turn because it shaft turning it is using leaver action but also being pushed back up a little because the bottom shaft is under load, so the weight doesn't fall as long as it's turning and have enough load to keep it up a little.  Would that not transfer gravity in the lower shaft?
Do you follow that?

Luc


Nope, lol


OK, not too surprising.


I did notice that the drive plate does not follow the angle of the upper shaft in WS's design, but remains
horizontal or close to it at all times.


One other thing is, it is not carved in stone that the upper drive be perpendicular to the lower unit, if you were to offset them then you have an elliptical drive.



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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #230 on: June 18, 2014, 05:34:25 AM »
Here is the second part of the video demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF-ZlkBw46g&feature=youtu.be

Luc



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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #231 on: June 18, 2014, 06:21:10 AM »
Here is the second part of the video demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF-ZlkBw46g&feature=youtu.be

Luc




Well you gave it a good shot Luc, can't think of any improvements at this point...


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #232 on: June 18, 2014, 09:23:21 AM »
Here is the second part of the video demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF-ZlkBw46g&feature=youtu.be

Luc
Hi gotoluc,
   I have a comment as follows: lower shaft of your test device, the shaft is bent so the vertical concentric compared with lever shaft is not exactly! this comes to is this: I've heard a metallic sound (hiss) by rubbing each shaft impact upon the bottom of the device, while watching your video clip!. . . When you adjust the gain consensus best will no longer emit cries, while the shaft is rotating in a smooth manner, I believe that it will also have the momentum to spin a little bit more when you stop supplying power to the electric motors. . .
 
Thanks for the video and your work.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #233 on: June 18, 2014, 10:33:42 AM »
Great work Luc.... the only observaton i will throw in is that on my model, the connection between the long lower shaft and the crank plate where the smaller weight is, is very loose.... that means that the small weight can be moved up and down, and as a result the plate moves up and down the main shaft.

An example of that movement is that when the machine is at rest the plate is pushed down  ( by the small weight ) one side , and up the mainshaft on the other.....when spinning the small weight rises, which means the other side of the plate moves down the shaft .

The large weight also needs to be able to spin freely about its own axis  regardless of the position of the smaller weight

I wonder if the bearing in the pillow block is restricting the system too much, try removing the bearing from the pillow block and see if that frees it up...maybe it needs an oversize bearing...to allow a bit of slack 

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #233 on: June 18, 2014, 10:33:42 AM »
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #234 on: June 18, 2014, 10:34:54 AM »
to luc

nice work so far,but i see some mistakes,the upper lever that is driving the plate i not welded to plate
it only change the center of gravity it does not force it to spin,the joint on the upper chain is not needed if it is circle orbit.
The cement weights are to heavy, and do not lay along tho whole bar ,use less weights along whole bar,

dont mean to argue just to help,i am working on my setup and pic or video soon

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #235 on: June 18, 2014, 01:34:39 PM »
Hi Luc


I have posted this on your second video



 
Hi Luc, I think you have basicly told yourself what is wrong. The top and bottom weights are totally independant and have to be or the load is reflected back to the source. Below the bottom weight has to be a universal joint, the bottom weight is your power source more than the top weight, they are not just a fly wheel. The whole idea is the continually falling weight, this you do not have, and you have them fighting each other. I believe that bottom shaft is straight and not bent, the tie rods are to keep it straight and not flex from the amount of weight at the bottom, what he has done is made the shaft feel as though it is twice it's thickness and so not flex. This is common engineering practice when a shaft is subject to an oliptical centrafugal force, which this is, what ever shape happens at the top will happen at the bottom but in a reduced ratio (compounding force,maybe 6:1) so with an input at the top of 1f you get 6f at the bottom. You see there becomes a multiplication of force in the length of the shaft (same speed but greater power factor) that power factor comes from that falling bottom weight, not from the top, the top is not seeing what the bottom is doing.


I have gone through most of the Skinner system and it is very clever, he must have been a great engineer, keep at it Luc.


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #236 on: June 18, 2014, 03:38:05 PM »
Hi Luc

Below the bottom weight has to be a universal joint, the bottom weight is your power source more than the top weight, they are not just a fly wheel. The whole idea is the continually falling weight, this you do not have, and you have them fighting each other. I believe that bottom shaft is straight and not bent

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Well, after reading the above five posts I can see everyone has a different version as to why it doesn't work.

My next test was going to be like Mike is saying.  Before I do that, I would like to hear Mike's thoughts on the below.

Since the lower weight support bar on Mr. Skinner's device turns perfectly horizontal with the frame (see attached video), this would suggest if the shaft does have a universal joint it would be above the support bar, no?... however, we don't see a universal joint there. So how do you explain this?
Let's suppose the universal joint is below the weight support bar, then the only way it would turn horizontal to the frame is if he had welded it at an angle of less then 90 degrees, which would also mean the weight support rod would have to be welded to the bar at more than a 90 degree angle.
Do you think this was done?  as it would be the only explanation as to why the bar is turning horizontal to the frame.

Please explain how this can work with the evidence I've presented.

Thanks for your time

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #237 on: June 18, 2014, 03:45:14 PM »
Hay gotoluc

 Your problems with your pillow block bearing can be solved with a universal joint mount like a multi axis. This should reduce the friction for a better test.

Alan

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #238 on: June 18, 2014, 03:54:42 PM »
Hi Luc


I have to go out but on my return I will write a pdf and a drawing of how I see it (still may not be right), all I can do is put my engineering skills into how it can be done.


The principle is simple, it all works on moving the relation of mass to center of gravity, to move the mass takes too much power, but moving the relation of the center of gravity takes very little and gives you a big gain.


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #239 on: June 18, 2014, 03:58:32 PM »
Hay gotoluc

 Your problems with your pillow block bearing can be solved with a universal joint mount like a multi axis. This should reduce the friction for a better test.

Alan

Thanks Alan
However, at this time the pillow block is good enough for proof of concept, this is not what is preventing the transfer of Gravity to the bottom shaft.
Once the basic principal can be proven to work then I'll invest in the ideal components.

Luc

 

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