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Author Topic: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%  (Read 314397 times)

Offline CANGAS

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #195 on: June 13, 2014, 10:26:13 AM »
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Quote from: Artoj on Today at 05:38:30 AM

    Hi all, I have drawn most of the hidden bits, here is a sketch of the top part of the wobble axle. There is a spring within the hollow bar, it presses against a lubricated bearing surface that presses against the ball, this allows free motion in all directions with a tolerance that is adjustable by the pressure of contact. To stop the unit flying out the 4 rods are attached to the top and bottom metal disc, the adjustment and tightening is the center disc. The bottom is the same as the top. I have redrawn all the parts very carefully with complete measurements, I will post the whole lot on my blog as soon as it is completed. Regards Arto.

     


Many thanks to Arto for all the hard work and accurate work. Your work surely will be helpful to unravel this mystery.

Where is your blog?


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #196 on: June 13, 2014, 12:23:15 PM »
Hi all, I have drawn most of the hidden bits, here is a sketch of the top part of the wobble axle. There is a spring within the hollow bar, it presses against a lubricated bearing surface that presses against the ball, this allows free motion in all directions with a tolerance that is adjustable by the pressure of contact. To stop the unit flying out the 4 rods are attached to the top and bottom metal disc, the adjustment and tightening is the center disc. The bottom is the same as the top. I have redrawn all the parts very carefully with complete measurements, I will post the whole lot on my blog as soon as it is completed. Regards Arto.
 


Would not the bottom drive slip? would it not be like the end of the drive shaft of some 4 wheel drive vehicles? just thinking allowed, I love your work.


regards


Mike 8)

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #197 on: June 13, 2014, 05:23:56 PM »





 Join the Consensus

 
Luc is Canada's foremost FE researcher, His keen sense of curiosity has led him into many fields.It is always a pleasure for me to work with him, he is a gentleman. His laid back demenor and willingness to share is a treat. Evidence of this willingness to share are his hundreds of videos on his youtube channel. Yet all with no axe to grind, show him compelling counter evidence and he is the first to accept it.

 
He is thus well qualified to lead the William Skinner discussion on this forum. As an aid to our understanding Luc made and posted a video showing the workings of the drive end of Skinner's machine. If you haven't already... go to page 6, post 84 and download this video.

 
Watch the video carefully. You should be able to see that the drive to the upper rod is circular. Now this is the game changer, no twitching back and forth, no linear, no ellipticals, just straight forward circular.

 
If you want to have a little fun with this put it into your video editor. I use NCH's Video Pad...(free version)

 
http://www.nchsoftware.com/videopad/

 
Don't click any of the additional software boxes and it will only install video pad.

 
Load Luc's video, go to video effects and click 'crop' drag the handles on the box to cover the area of interest... back up to video effects and click on 'change clip speed' select 50%. Go export and save, in high resolution, your vid to the desktop. Sit back and play it over and over, it is so compelling!

 
Next clip, load the full 1939 video (in as high a resolution that you saved it in) drag it down onto the timeline track 1, find the exact spot (just after the motor runs) 30 something and cursor over the start to find the double arrows and drag to the maker... find the spot where the video just starts to pan down and bring the tail end double arrows back to that spot... you should have the 3 second clip showing the rods, square plate and upper weights, up to video effects and clip speed to 50%, save and play.


You should be able to see the nice full circles of the weights, the majestic circular sweep of the rods.
Are you a believer now? All full circles!


Ron

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #198 on: June 13, 2014, 06:34:45 PM »
Hi all, I have drawn most of the hidden bits, here is a sketch of the top part of the wobble axle. There is a spring within the hollow bar, it presses against a lubricated bearing surface that presses against the ball, this allows free motion in all directions with a tolerance that is adjustable by the pressure of contact. To stop the unit flying out the 4 rods are attached to the top and bottom metal disc, the adjustment and tightening is the center disc. The bottom is the same as the top. I have redrawn all the parts very carefully with complete measurements, I will post the whole lot on my blog as soon as it is completed. Regards Arto.
 




Excellent Arto, a great insight.
although this is at the top end of the bottom section rod only, where it connects to the square plate.


I hope you see the circular information presented on this forum and correct some of your drawings to reflect this?


Luc, does Arto's sketch answer your question on the turned down 'bent' rod ends?


Ron








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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #199 on: June 14, 2014, 12:20:05 AM »
Hi all, I have drawn most of the hidden bits, here is a sketch of the top part of the wobble axle. There is a spring within the hollow bar, it presses against a lubricated bearing surface that presses against the ball, this allows free motion in all directions with a tolerance that is adjustable by the pressure of contact. To stop the unit flying out the 4 rods are attached to the top and bottom metal disc, the adjustment and tightening is the center disc. The bottom is the same as the top. I have redrawn all the parts very carefully with complete measurements, I will post the whole lot on my blog as soon as it is completed. Regards Arto.
 

That ball joint bearing is an interesting idea Artoj!... Mr. Skinner could of incorporated it in his shaft ends and used the reinforcements harness to hold it.
This may explain the pictures I posted in the previous page with the shaft stub out of alignment with the shafts. Also notice the stubs are black, so he could of adapted a car ball joint or tie rod end.

I'm still not convinced of the bottom lower shaft. I'll have to see how my replication works without any joints on the bottom.
Should have a video in a few days.

I would like to point out something that I noticed some weeks back and did not mention it.  Look at the picture below of the mid plate. Notice the upper and lower shaft do not alined on the mid plate like Aaron had drawn and you have. Not a big problem but it may make a difference.

Thanks for sharing Arto

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #200 on: June 14, 2014, 12:31:00 AM »





Not in any order...


That is when I saw the rotary motion, in your video... it was a game changer for sure, thank you!
I was just trying to re-enforce your observation by running the video again for those that had missed
the obvious implications. I can not understand anyone who could dismiss this as mere conjecture.
 
Luc the offset in the ends of the rods, if that is what they are, are not really critical to the operation of the machine.


I see the 'principle' as being the same. That is,  they both contribute in their own way. It is a matter of size.  The small one runs the big one. Without the small one the big one would need a bigger motor. One can take this to the next level and go to three sections the top two as per the present build the lower one
scaled up with an enormous weight.  So just a top unit might make 1/2 of a horse power... just the lower section run with a 1/2 horse motor might make 2  horse power... (fill in your own numbers.)


That's is why I said the small motor runs the top unit... the top unit runs the bottom unit, makes sense?
They both run on gravity.


 Ron

Thanks for your view on this Ron.
I asked because I'm getting the feeling the upper is lever action and falling gravity action and the lower looks more like a centrifugal action.

Should have my first replication up in a few days.

Also, thanks for all your kind words in your post above.

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #201 on: June 14, 2014, 12:36:41 AM »

Luc, does Arto's sketch answer your question on the turned down 'bent' rod ends?


Ron

Could very well work for the top. See my reply (above) to Arto

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #202 on: June 14, 2014, 05:24:14 AM »
Can the motion be emulated by interpolation software and diffenrential feedback drives. The rates are all different for each array , I think of it as a big cnc puzzle ?

Are the beams an intrinsic and necessary part, and can this concept be factorised into something else ?

It  does not fit into many houses , as is, would an 7 foot high be as good as an 9 foot high ?






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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #203 on: June 14, 2014, 10:00:02 AM »
That ball joint bearing is an interesting idea Artoj!... Mr. Skinner could of incorporated it in his shaft ends and used the reinforcements harness to hold it.
This may explain the pictures I posted in the previous page with the shaft stub out of alignment with the shafts. Also notice the stubs are black, so he could of adapted a car ball joint or tie rod end.
Luc
Hi All,
Similar accessory use spherical bearings.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #204 on: June 14, 2014, 02:12:07 PM »
Hi All,
Similar accessory use spherical bearings.

Yes, that's a good bearing for this kind of thing!

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #205 on: June 14, 2014, 05:20:30 PM »
Thanks for your view on this Ron.
I asked because I'm getting the feeling the upper is lever action and falling gravity action and the lower looks more like a centrifugal action.


Luc


My apologies Luc, you are quite right, the two stages operate on different principles.
Although I have it the other way around, lol


So to add too and correct my previous post... the following...


I posted the rod angles previously for the left rod but neglected to show the right (centre?) rod, the one
more face on to the camera.  This is important to show the circular motion but more importantly to show what I had missed. So here are the two previous pics and two new pics...




Note that the angle of the rods is nearly identical, indicating circular motion. If the upper drive was a narrow ellipse, as Arron says, then the left rod's movement would be considerably less than the video shows.


HOWEVER, what I had missed is the plate... look at the angle of the plate in the last two pictures, it remains nearly horizontal in each view. The only mechanism for this is that the lower rod has no ball
joints, rather it has a bend top and bottom. Thus the plate rides on top of the lower rod. The plate. not
following the angle of the rod, is therefore not subject to the 'falling weigh' theory.


The centrifugal weight vector is at all times straight out from the virtual centre, the bottom rod is thereby
lead around by this force, lagging behind the upper weight as can be seen in the video.


 With the shaft bent top and bottom and the lower weight position above the lower bend it is subject to
the falling weight theory or more correctly a following of the weight to a new centre of gravity.


Luc, I hope this correction is not to late for your build?


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #206 on: June 14, 2014, 05:42:05 PM »
Sorry ron , i was trying to get a concensus of opinion....I want to find the answer through experiment not through argument
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Kudos Craigy, your second build is on track.


May I suggest, as you noted, two bearings on the upper shaft, bend the lower shaft so as the rod tilt
angle starts right close to the bottom... with the weight non rotating and mounted above the bend and
modify the upper drive to more of configuration like this...see sketch


Then the lower shaft (and weight) will be led around by the centrifugal force of the upper weight.



Take care


Ron
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #207 on: June 14, 2014, 05:53:16 PM »
Hi All,
Similar accessory use spherical bearings.


Perfect for the drive plate where the upper rod pokes through!!!


Thanks


Ron


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #208 on: June 14, 2014, 06:59:52 PM »
Motor drive spindle !!!

I see an opportunity here...

The consumers MUST respect the IP of the skilled initiates, the inventive scientists, the talented builders, aka the master race.

This natural order must NEVER be broken if OU is to be marketed.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #209 on: June 14, 2014, 07:34:36 PM »
coaxial lever with bearings between rotating inner

 

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