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### Author Topic: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%  (Read 415462 times)

#### Craigy

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #150 on: June 10, 2014, 12:14:00 PM »
sorry look at 36 seconds...you can see the side to side rocking of 3 of the 4 individual cams...and if you look closely where the 3 rivets are on the beam,  one can clearly see it is rocking side to side. I suspect you think that it is rotating as the old flim gives the impression that the shaft is rotating, but that cannot be so , as the other side of the fulcrum, or fixed point as you call it is wobbling side to side in a linear fashion

Indeed below the component that you say is locking the "rood" Rod? in place there is a gap........every so often you can see the end of the rod appear and disappear becuase it is oscillating back and forth..You say the rod is locked, but it just goes through a fulcrum to oscillate in the other direction..  ( why is the lenght of the rod so long? To provide a mechanical advange or lever effect to push the  shafts off center and start the the machine.... You don't think that rotary force is all being provided by that small motor do you?"

there is only a linear input.. infact if it were rotary it would be in the same frame of reference and would be entirely standard physics and not be anything special...It is the decoupling of systems that provide a possible route to success

this is a simple drawing i drew for my own reference,

#### gotoluc

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #151 on: June 10, 2014, 02:36:39 PM »
Hi gotoluc,
Your job to build a similar machine Skinner ?

Regards

Yes, same basic weight and mechanical system as Skimmer but a single rotor, total 8 feet high with no belts. Direct chain drive 12vdc PM motor at top and same direct chain drive 12vdcv PM motor as generator on bottom output shaft.

Luc

#### havuhung

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #152 on: June 10, 2014, 02:47:02 PM »
Hi gotoluc,

I wish you success as you wish.

#### wopwops

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #153 on: June 10, 2014, 03:04:24 PM »
In anyone in contact with CLaNZeR on this?

#### i_ron

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #154 on: June 10, 2014, 05:20:12 PM »
agreed to disagree...

I wont bug you any more ,if you have a second look at video at 36 to 37sec,
you will see that the square that hold rood in place does not move same as the bar

Yes, you are quite correct. This is called a gimbal mount. You can see the outer part of the gimbal move in unison with the angle of the rod. The inner part is hidden. Look at the gimbal to the left... see how wide the  space is?... much to wide for a mere slot action as has been proposed. Again, look at the left rod under the gimbal and you can see it moves in a circle.  The gimbal holds the bearing that holds the lever/rod up. The length of rod beneath the gimbal moves opposite to the turning mechanism at the top of the rod, it inverts the motion. Ron

#### Craigy

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #155 on: June 10, 2014, 06:45:45 PM »
some more progress

and after a bit of a tune up now like a sewing machine

#### centraflow

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #156 on: June 10, 2014, 08:45:23 PM »
This is how I see it

regards

Mike

#### Craigy

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #157 on: June 10, 2014, 09:00:07 PM »
ok..the upper shaft may be rotating , but its primary purpose is as a lever. No rotary power is fed in from above. as i see it. Therefore my model achieves the same,. with my linear bearing taking the place of the gimbals..

#### centraflow

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #158 on: June 11, 2014, 12:53:18 AM »
As I have stated on the drawing, " rotates but not powered", this is important as it shows exactly how the off set is set up. Yes the primary movement is a lever action, but also important is the top and bottom weights can move independantly of one another, you see him move the top weight assembly while holding the bottom weight still with his other hand.

The bottom weight becomes a very unusual self powering fly wheel, powered by the ever changing center of gravity of the mass. Power comes from the mass and not the speed, speed can be increased by gearing up the output without a huge effect on the mass, therefore a huge amplification of the input and the input does not see any of the load.

In fact the output could be loaded untill it stops, but the input will just keep going as though nothing had happened. The output is only proportional to the bottom mass being moved in an ever changing center of gravity.

In electrical terms it is reactive power turned into real power without the input knowing, now thats food for thought on electrical circuits and how to turn reactive power into real power without the input seeing it!!!!

regards

Mike

#### Craigy

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #159 on: June 11, 2014, 01:11:19 AM »
I agree, my model does all of that so far...will see if i get time to build the last part tomorrow...I thnk that the secondary weight is using centfugal forces to slap that shaft off balance once every 180 degrees.  Indeed i suspect that adding springs to the levers so that any displacement from center is returned to the system later would also help..

The input is totally decoupled from the output

#### i_ron

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #160 on: June 11, 2014, 01:23:25 AM »
ok..the upper shaft may be rotating , but its primary purpose is as a lever. No rotary power is fed in from above. as i see it. Therefore my model achieves the same,. with my linear bearing taking the place of the gimbals..

To be very clear, within the limits of English, the top of the top section rod is describing a circle.

One can see the little driving arm, going around in the rod closest to the camera in the full video.

There is no linear back and forth motion at either end of the top section rod

The gimbal is at the bottom end of this rod.

Now in the one instance, just after the weigh swinging example, one can see the rod passing through the gimbal. Watch the left hand rod in particular. The top of the rod is tracing out a circle and so does the bottom of the rod. The rod does not bend or distort, when the top of this rod is outboard, the lower end is inboard, the bottom portion of the rod is at all times lined up with the top portion.

It is only three seconds, watch the full video and see the circle that the bottom of this rod traces...

Here it is in a slow motion view...

I hope this helps

Ron

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#### i_ron

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #161 on: June 11, 2014, 03:51:24 AM »

There is no linear back and forth motion at either end of the top section rod

The two opposite rods we see in the slow mo vid obviously move from side to side.

But the far left rod moves in and out

This establishes the four quadrants of a  circle.

The approximate frames are 8 and 20, the rod beneath the gimbal moves in and out, exactly
as it would do if following a circular path

Ron

#### i_ron

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #162 on: June 11, 2014, 04:04:11 AM »
This is how I see it

regards

Mike

Mike,

I think the gimbal is drawn incorrectly and also the holes in the square plate.

Luc,

This is my 900th post... watch out, I'm catching up! LOL

I made many of those talking to our good friend Thane.

I do hope my little contribution here is not taken the wrong way but this linear
motion thing has bothered me from the beginning, anyway, no offence everyone.

Take Care

Ron

#### turbogt16v

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #163 on: June 11, 2014, 09:35:52 AM »
as it seams from video that the rod is making circle motion,
i am skeptic,because in newspaper article skinner said the key is
in off-balanced weights that move in elliptical orbit,
and if the upper rod is moving in circle,we don't get any elliptical motion.
i advice to do  both models

http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth73611/m1/2/zoom/?zoom=5&lat=2690&lon=3903&layers=BT

#### Craigy

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #164 on: June 11, 2014, 11:42:34 AM »
Iwill build both, since its quicker to build than argue the toss. Although my current model is showing  that it is decoupled from its input, When stalling the output  there is no effect on the input current and of course we have an elliptical orbit.

So right or not it, has some desirable atributes even before i add the second weight..

the same conversation is taling place over at energetic where there is a totally different opinion on all of this

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/17195-william-f-skinner-1939-gravity-power-4.html#post257309