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Author Topic: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%  (Read 308532 times)

Offline rc4

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #120 on: June 04, 2014, 11:48:47 PM »
Weight is only there for create forces and inertia between 2 objects, like spring but with spring the distance in rotation is limited to oscillations. I can't imagine how this system works, lack of datas. Think only in 2D first, 2 objects in free rotation with friction, friction give torque to each object, but with different moment of inertia the work from each torque is not the same.

If I'm right, each "arm" produce a torque, this torque is transfert to main system, but moment of inertia is not the same so the work too.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2014, 10:22:22 AM by rc4 »

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #121 on: June 05, 2014, 03:58:26 PM »
the device is not powered by gravity,but it uses gravity to ad more power on lover axis so the device would practical take
gravity that act on weight and ad it to device forse on lower axis.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #122 on: June 05, 2014, 04:27:27 PM »
hi guys let us cut all the bullshit let us find somebody who can but build the machine and let all just finance it.. I am a gambler and I believe it did do what it says it did..so I will start with $20...and let us not waste time lets just do it..

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #123 on: June 05, 2014, 04:39:06 PM »
hi guys let us cut all the bullshit let us find somebody who can but build the machine and let all just finance it.. I am a gambler and I believe it did do what it says it did..so I will start with $20...and let us not waste time lets just do it..

It's important to understand how the machine works, if not maybe you forget something and the machine don't give energy, and you think it's a bad idea. You have a brain, you can use it.

Maybe each centrifugal force give a torque to the central plate (where 3 objects are connected). The central plate turn around its center of gravity due to FC1p/FC2p, this torque is apply to the motor too but like it don't have same moment of inertia (it's logical if I'm looking at masses), the works return to the motor is not the same. The torque around the center of gravity of plate added a works for the system.

Note centrifugal forces don't add work and don't substract too. I speak about a torque, center of gravity, and moment of inertia.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2014, 11:08:30 PM by rc4 »

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #124 on: June 06, 2014, 09:20:31 AM »
nice to see some constructive ideas,apart from few Einstein that argue about meaningless facts...
to seychelles ,you can construct your own device in lover measurements and with only one rood to see if it works for 20 $.but we need full working scheeme.
and to rc4 here is repost just to help http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth73611/m1/2/zoom/?zoom=5&lat=2690&lon=3903&layers=BT


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #125 on: June 06, 2014, 03:01:05 PM »
ok maybe i came a little bit too strong. but I think this great gentleman spend a lot of money and effort and it is up to us to replicate it .to replicate one needs a mechanical  engineer who can watch this 1939 video and copy it and that cost money. yes there is an old French saying that goes drop by drop the water will wear away the hardest rock.. 20$ and 5$ there we will get there faster than just individually in our lunch time to come to an answer.. just for an other point of view it has the similar angle of idea as this utube ..    http://youtu.be/yg9QhEikrKk

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #126 on: June 06, 2014, 04:56:44 PM »
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I finally concluded it's the same as the other 3 visible upper bars moving in a rotation but it's mostly not visible because the film is overexposed by the light from the window, so it's hiding most of that bars activity but movement is detectable when the bar edges line up with the frame posts and causing a visible arc because it's rotating in a circle.

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Hi Luc,


Another, what I consider an anomaly, is the suggestion that the upper stage drive rod is moving back and forth... and at most an elliptical path, yet in studying your looped vid I note that the rod nearest the camera appears to move back and forth, except for the small rotary device at its top, but the rod away from the window, in the darkest spot, has the same back and forth motion.


Now this rod is nearly end on to us and so all we should see is a stationary view of the rod as it moved towards us and away from us yet the motion is nearly as great as the first mentioned rod. The logical explanation is that both rods are moving in nearly the same diameter circle. Have a close look and tell me what you see???


Thanks,


Ron
















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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #127 on: June 06, 2014, 09:15:43 PM »



Hi Luc,


Another, what I consider an anomaly, is the suggestion that the upper stage drive rod is moving back and forth... and at most an elliptical path, yet in studying your looped vid I note that the rod nearest the camera appears to move back and forth, except for the small rotary device at its top, but the rod away from the window, in the darkest spot, has the same back and forth motion.


Now this rod is nearly end on to us and so all we should see is a stationary view of the rod as it moved towards us and away from us yet the motion is nearly as great as the first mentioned rod. The logical explanation is that both rods are moving in nearly the same diameter circle. Have a close look and tell me what you see???


Thanks,


Ron

Hi Ron,

what I've been seeing and still seeing is all upper rods move in a circle. Notice the upper rod is also rotating as its top is being turned in a circle since its base is bolted in the mid turn plate with weight attached. The lower rod top turns in a bearing mounted in the mid turn plate. The lower rod base looks mounted directly in a bearing since the small the upper circle has next to no effect to the lower bearing because of the rod length and the rod has a little flex at it lowest part of the base which is also helped by the weight pulled outwards (below reinforcement). The inventor reinforced the rod where he does not want flex.
I see the system to be very simple and will start building a single rotor prototype as of Monday. I should have most of it done in a week.

I'm sure this will be no problem for you to build also.

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #128 on: June 07, 2014, 12:42:58 AM »



Thanks Luc,


I have built so many things that didn't work because I didn't have all the information...LOL
that I am more cautious and would love to see a working rep before I start... besides I haven't
collected all the bits yet...


good luck on your build


Ron


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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #129 on: June 07, 2014, 01:31:45 AM »
No problem Ron, I know what you mean about building stuff without all the details. Anyways, it may be a good idea to wait and see the simple parts I'll be using for my proof of concept prototype.

Should have a video up in 10 days or so.

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #130 on: June 07, 2014, 10:22:50 AM »
http://videobam.com/dYdlh   maybe it will help more

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #131 on: June 07, 2014, 10:00:10 PM »
Hi Ron,

what I've been seeing and still seeing is all upper rods move in a circle. Notice the upper rod is also rotating as its top is being turned in a circle since its base is bolted in the mid turn plate with weight attached. The lower rod top turns in a bearing mounted in the mid turn plate. The lower rod base looks mounted directly in a bearing since the small the upper circle has next to no effect to the lower bearing because of the rod length and the rod has a little flex at it lowest part of the base which is also helped by the weight pulled outwards (below reinforcement). The inventor reinforced the rod where he does not want flex.
I see the system to be very simple and will start building a single rotor prototype as of Monday. I should have most of it done in a week.

I'm sure this will be no problem for you to build also.

Luc




Hi Luc,


I am a little concerned with the 'direct bearing and the flex', to my way of thinking the upper stage must
work  exactly as the lower stage. The upper stage therefore needs to be only strong enough to drive the lower stage.


Where the lower stage has a universal joint (CV joint), to allow the full rotation effect of the lower rod, so must the upper stage have the equivalent motion. This can be achieved by having the lower bearing of the upper stage in a ball joint type of bearing (self aligning) but very much prone to wear... a compass type mount (gimbal mount) would be the simplest and easiest to make. Thus the bearing has freedom to follow
the upper rotation friction free.


Ron
   






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« Reply #132 on: June 08, 2014, 12:12:57 AM »
What an excellent video. This video should be the basis for ALL o.u. devices. It clearly states the principle, you do not eat off the first or second generation. These effects materialize from the 3rd order on upward.

Waste no time in making an exact replication. Understand what is happening first:

- Small motor and drive pulley (generation 1) --- aka (primary coil) exciter coil
- Driven pulley (generation 2) --- aka (secondary coil) exciter coil also
- Transmission A (generation 3) --- aka (Tesla's third coil if you like) -> primary o.u. coil
- Transmission B (generation 4) --- Load coil (eats here)

You can keep increasing the order and generate different effects. There is no limit.

 

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
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Hi Luc,


I am a little concerned with the 'direct bearing and the flex', to my way of thinking the upper stage must
work  exactly as the lower stage. The upper stage therefore needs to be only strong enough to drive the lower stage.


Where the lower stage has a universal joint (CV joint), to allow the full rotation effect of the lower rod, so must the upper stage have the equivalent motion. This can be achieved by having the lower bearing of the upper stage in a ball joint type of bearing (self aligning) but very much prone to wear... a compass type mount (gimbal mount) would be the simplest and easiest to make. Thus the bearing has freedom to follow
the upper rotation friction free.


Ron
   

Hi Ron,

I thought that concern would come up ;D

I made a looped video for you so you can observe the base shafts turning. Make sure to view it in full screen.
Let me know what you think because I can't see much movement at the lowest part of the shaft (before first base bearing)
I also don't see a universal joint, just the transfer gear below the first bearing and that gear seems to be turning quite straight.
I think at most the first lower bearing could be a self aligning kind like you say and then a fixed bearing on the end of the shaft (after the transfer gear) to keep the gear turning straight.

Luc

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Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #134 on: June 08, 2014, 04:16:00 AM »
Hi Ron,

I thought that concern would come up ;D

I made a looped video for you so you can observe the base shafts turning. Make sure to view it in full screen.
Let me know what you think because I can't see much movement at the lowest part of the shaft (before first base bearing)
I also don't see a universal joint, just the transfer gear below the first bearing and that gear seems to be turning quite straight.
I think at most the first lower bearing could be a self aligning kind like you say and then a fixed bearing on the end of the shaft (after the transfer gear) to keep the gear turning straight.

Luc




Hi Luc,


Thanks for the base vid... you are correct in not being able to see a universal joint... but really bad
engineering not to have something there! Any stiffness there is counter active, meaning the weight
is not going to fall down hill if the stress of the rod is trying to hold it vertically.


Don't forget we are dealing with a machinist of some talent here and even though the stub output shaft
is running true in two bearings, if the top is turning in a true circle
the angle will never change so the stub shaft could be either bent or machined to this constant required angle.


Incidentally, the "fatness" of the outer portion of the 'gear' would suggest chain drive to the
centre output bevel gears.


Ron








 

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