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### Author Topic: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%  (Read 420135 times)

#### gotoluc

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #210 on: June 15, 2014, 03:06:35 AM »

My apologies Luc, you are quite right, the two stages operate on different principles.
Although I have it the other way around, lol

So to add too and correct my previous post... the following...

I posted the rod angles previously for the left rod but neglected to show the right (centre?) rod, the one
more face on to the camera.  This is important to show the circular motion but more importantly to show what I had missed. So here are the two previous pics and two new pics...

Note that the angle of the rods is nearly identical, indicating circular motion. If the upper drive was a narrow ellipse, as Arron says, then the left rod's movement would be considerably less than the video shows.

HOWEVER, what I had missed is the plate... look at the angle of the plate in the last two pictures, it remains nearly horizontal in each view. The only mechanism for this is that the lower rod has no ball
joints, rather it has a bend top and bottom. Thus the plate rides on top of the lower rod. The plate. not
following the angle of the rod, is therefore not subject to the 'falling weigh' theory.

The centrifugal weight vector is at all times straight out from the virtual centre, the bottom rod is thereby
lead around by this force, lagging behind the upper weight as can be seen in the video.

With the shaft bent top and bottom and the lower weight position above the lower bend it is subject to
the falling weight theory or more correctly a following of the weight to a new centre of gravity.

Luc, I hope this correction is not to late for your build?

Ron

Hi Ron,

doesn't matter the order you see which rod does what,  I'm just glad you see each have a different function.

Interesting we're going back to the double bend idea we had at the beginning.

It's not too late for changes in my build as I'm using my lower rod tensioners idea of adjusting the tensioners to Ark the shaft back towards its weight and that seems to work well and for the top I'm using a self alining pillow block bearing, so I think this combination should work to about the same. What do you think? ... I kind of like this idea since it give a little room for testing before bending the rod to a permanent position.

I need one more full day (Sunday) to finish the build. So possibly Monday I'll test it and hopefully post the demo video before the end of the day.

Luc

#### i_ron

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #211 on: June 15, 2014, 04:01:05 AM »
Hi Ron,

doesn't matter the order you see which rod does what,  I'm just glad you see each have a different function.

Interesting we're going back to the double bend idea we had at the beginning.

It's not too late for changes in my build as I'm using my lower rod tensioners idea of adjusting the tensioners to Ark the shaft back towards its weight and that seems to work well and for the top I'm using a self alining pillow block bearing, so I think this combination should work to about the same. What do you think? ... I kind of like this idea since it give a little room for testing before bending the rod to a permanent position.

I need one more full day (Sunday) to finish the build. So possibly Monday I'll test it and hopefully post the demo video before the end of the day.

Luc

Sounds good Luc, just hope I explained it clearly  and understandably.

Once I see what you have done I can jump in and critique, LOL

Ron

#### wopwops

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #212 on: June 15, 2014, 04:53:47 AM »
This seems like the most promising one I can remember and there's very little activity on the threads about it. Maybe this is a good sign! If you guys know of any youtube channels of people posting replications, please mention. Thanks very much.

#### wopwops

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #213 on: June 15, 2014, 05:43:34 AM »
This was posted on Energetic Forum:

US 20130047754 A1
Abstract A mechanical advantage machine is provided. The mechanical advantage machine may comprise an elliptical track, a mobile weight, and a fulcrum point disposed at a vertex of the elliptical track. The mechanical advantage machine may further include at least one actuation rod coupled to at least one cam, wherein the traversal of the mobile weight about the circumference of the elliptical track causes the track to move causing the actuation rod to move which in turn causes the cam to rotate. A method for generating power may also be provided. The method may include mobilizing a weight about a circumference of an elliptical track comprising a fulcrum point disposed at a vertex of the circumference of the elliptical track, the mobilization pivoting the elliptical track in response to the weight traversing the elliptical track while at least one actuation rod causes the rotation of at least one cam.

#### qiman

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #214 on: June 15, 2014, 06:34:40 AM »
This seems like the most promising one I can remember and there's very little activity on the threads about it. Maybe this is a good sign! If you guys know of any youtube channels of people posting replications, please mention. Thanks very much.

1-2 years ago, I already had a working prototype of Skinner's machine. The first video has details of how this machine really operates - the second shows my method for an elliptical drive that I already tested at a very small tilt angle and want to do on a bigger scale to rotate the input lever in an elliptical orbit.

#### ARMCORTEX

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #215 on: June 15, 2014, 08:21:17 AM »
Prepare to be trolled man.

I will now use your videos to learn the skinner device and build a skinner device so cool you will get jealous.

My skinner machine will kick your skinner machine in the ass.

Scumbag !

#### shylo

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #216 on: June 15, 2014, 01:16:27 PM »
just trying to load a quick video my first attempt

#### shylo

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #217 on: June 15, 2014, 01:27:27 PM »
I guess it worked , you can see the action of the drill back and forth and circular by itself.
The generator isn't hooked up yet ,it has 3 postes on it F G and the third isn't marked . I'm not sure how to hook it F- go to pos battery, G -ground  and unmarked is pos out?
Also the drill seems to move up and down , but not sure if that is just because of poor workmanship?
I don't want to damage gen so would appreciate some help.
Thanks artv

#### turbogt16v

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #218 on: June 15, 2014, 01:46:35 PM »
you really should put some more effort in making the device,

the weight are a little to far of the center,and also to light,
the first and the second weight  "must" move freely ,
and  to lever moves in elliptical orbit,

#### Craigy

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #219 on: June 15, 2014, 09:34:25 PM »
Progress

http://youtu.be/1UybDRVxNK0

now working on the drive train

#### gotoluc

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #220 on: June 16, 2014, 04:21:58 AM »
Starting to see some building action. Thanks for sharing Shylo and Craigy.

Today I was able to connect the upper shaft to the lower and found that the offset between upper and lower shaft I pointed out and incorporated in my build does not work if both shafts are centered.
That will delay the test by one day as I now have to go back to the welder to make a modification.
If I can get it welded tomorrow then I should be able to do the test and do a video by Tuesday.

Stay tuned

Luc

#### shylo

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #221 on: June 18, 2014, 12:21:26 AM »
Hi All, was trying different weights ,turbo your right the build needs work, the bottom bearing blew apart, but only after I added a load.
The drive that enters the translation plate, needs to be fixed but offset, the lower needs to rotate in a fixed position. ( Artoj drawing is pretty much bang on , the early ones)
My build is just for trying to figure out how everything works, not to put into mass production.
By adding extra weight the pressure on the lower bearing increased dramatically , This may be part of the reasons for having 4 offset weights , to distribute it evenly?

#### gotoluc

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #222 on: June 18, 2014, 02:22:36 AM »
Seems kind of quiet around here?

Got one video done but where I'm living at this time the internet bandwidth is very limited, so video uploading is very slow and can cut off at any time, then you got to start all over again. To help get it done I divided the video demo in two parts.

Here is the first part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00xIxEQqRsk&feature=youtu.be

The next part may be in two hours or more. Also, this video is unlisted, so you need the link to watch it.

Luc

#### AB Hammer

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #223 on: June 18, 2014, 02:34:23 AM »
gotoluc

Grease your pillow block around the edge. Otherwise nice construction. Looking forward to your test.

Alan

#### gotoluc

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##### Re: 1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%
« Reply #224 on: June 18, 2014, 02:43:33 AM »
gotoluc

Grease your pillow block around the edge. Otherwise nice construction. Looking forward to your test.

Alan

Do you think grease will work better than oil?

Luc